New Cape Ring time trial; catch air at jump = invalid lap

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Short Bus
Got a video. Sorry about the quality but it shows what you need to see....



Have a look at the damage to the front bumper caused by the impact....


I looked and the *only* upgrade to the car is the fixed sport suspension kit.
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Interesting find dude, a lap can be invalidated not only by striking the barrier but also the track itself. :boggled:

You could prevent it from rotating so much by purchasing a rear wing.
 
The wing did the trick. Even though I had to reduce the horsepower of the car by about 9% to get down to 500 PP I still hit the jump at roughly the same speed (give or take 1 MPH). The car didn't do a nose dive with the wing installed.
 
I had the same thing happen to me in the Edge Special Camaro. Mods were a sports filter, single plate clutch, sports flywheel and fixed sport suspension. I just ended up slowing down for the jump. You can still slow down and make the gold time.
 
After reading all the posts, the people that have the problem have one thing in common - the fixed sport suspension. Apparently this is allowing the car body to hit the pavement. I used a completely stock Camaro and had never got an invalid lap.
 
I nevr go the invalid lap in this car either - but I had the fully adjustable setup from the outset. Got plenty of air, but was landing square, thanks to the spoiler.

What I find more annoying is that I can't get under 3 minutes for a time, never mind the 2:49s of the top drivers.
 
SlyckTires
I nevr go the invalid lap in this car either - but I had the fully adjustable setup from the outset. Got plenty of air, but was landing square, thanks to the spoiler.

What I find more annoying is that I can't get under 3 minutes for a time, never mind the 2:49s of the top drivers.
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Try using the Shelby with a rearwing and pirainos setup. I was 2 seconds faster in it then with the camaro. Offcourse no 2.48 laps but low .2.54 wich is very good for me. That car is stable and has got low weight so you can use all hp instead of add weigh.
Good luck:)
 
Short Bus
Did you read the subject line? What more needs to be said to get the point across? If you're going to be a tool in your next post I'll respond in kind.

First lap it did it I was confused. Second try I duplicated it by driving dead center over the jump in a 497 pp Camaro SS with fixed sport suspension. Same result, invalid lap. Third lap I slowed down for the jump, no air, valid lap.
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I would just like to say I'm sorry. I was having a bad day, and I never troll like that. Sorry :nervous:
 
jlbmel
After reading all the posts, the people that have the problem have one thing in common - the fixed sport suspension. Apparently this is allowing the car body to hit the pavement. I used a completely stock Camaro and had never got an invalid lap.
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Seems to be the case. I'll have to throw back on the stock suspension and give it a go to confirm my suspicions. In any case a wing will get rid of the nose diving so it's not a huge issue.

It's quite funny that this nose diving gives you an invalid lap though. I guess that's just how the penalty system works. If any part of the cars body collides with any part of the track hard enough (including the asphalt lol) your lap is invalidated.
 
Actually my SSR was getting the invalid lap until I added a wing with 5 downforce. Best I could tell nothing on my body was actually hitting the track and I'm running a fully customizable suspension with very high front spring rates and only a -5 front drop in ride height. Seems it didn't like how hard the truck was landing. With the wing it still lands nose first but not as hard and I get no penalty.:odd:
 
Nice to hear that there's at least one more vehicle that does this. If you haven't already, watch the video I posted of the Camaro.
 
Short Bus
Nice to hear that there's at least one more vehicle that does this. If you haven't already, watch the video I posted of the Camaro.
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Yeah I've watched your video and looked at the pic. As I said I'm pretty sure that neither the frame nor bumper was hitting the track on the truck though. The wing cured the problem but cost me 17hp and 11lb-ft of torque. With a weight of 2420kg I'm looking for all the power I can squeeze out of it.:lol:
 
XDesperado67
Yeah I've watched your video and looked at the pic. As I said I'm pretty sure that neither the frame nor bumper was hitting the track on the truck though. The wing cured the problem but cost me 17hp and 11lb-ft of torque. With a weight of 2420kg I'm looking for all the power I can squeeze out of it.:lol:
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2720 kb.... holy crap... lol
 
This problem is a weird one. I ran the Camaro in this TT with fully modded drivetrain, no wing, and full suspension. I had the car slammed (-20 front and rear I believe it was) with slightly stiffer strings and dampers. I would take the left hander flat out and catch big air on the jump, but never got red lit.

Like you said earlier, maybe the sport suspension has something to do with it.
 
Short Bus
Right right... Eiger. I don't drive that track much so I forgot about it.

After I checked who was driving what I thought it was funny that people were posting such fast laps in the Camaro. My only guess is maybe it has to do with the choice in suspensions. The guys running at the top are probably running the fully adjustable setup rather than the fixed sports setup I had, which from the looks of it slams the car to the ground. Maybe raising it a bit keeps the bumper off the ground and is the difference between what I've experienced and them.
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I did this TT in a Camaro SS '10 and didn't have any problems. I have a theory as to why it happened to you. First off, I think you're right that if the front bumper impacts the ground it causes the invalid lap. I noticed that your Camaro doesn't have a rear spoiler. Try fitting one, when the car gets air (which mine did) the downforce on the rear of the car keeps the nose pointing up. In my case I had the rear aero set to 5 (minimum) it's enough to keep the car pretty flat while flying, so it lands more or less on all four wheels. I'm getting some pretty big air over the jump and not getting any red times with it at all.
 
Lustika
Try using the Shelby with a rearwing and pirainos setup. I was 2 seconds faster in it then with the camaro. Offcourse no 2.48 laps but low .2.54 wich is very good for me. That car is stable and has got low weight so you can use all hp instead of add weigh.
Good luck:)
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It's not the overall time I'm bothered about, just getting a better time in the Camaro.
 
SlyckTires
It's not the overall time I'm bothered about, just getting a better time in the Camaro.
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Ok. Have you tried pirainos tune? I did my best lap in the camaro with full weight and max hp to fit in the pp. Then i messed around with the weight and I was not close to my times. Could not drive it. The suspenssion gotnway to hard and I am not the man to tune by my own:)
 
Just got a 2:59 with a completely stock Shelby Series One other then fixed sports suspension. Think they need to make these a little harder, I didn't even change the oil...
 
i tried it with a bone stock camaro, not having the problem of the nose hitting the ground whether i went flat out or backed off the throttle.
 
mattmflok
i tried it with a bone stock camaro, not having the problem of the nose hitting the ground whether i went flat out or backed off the throttle.
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Same here. The nose drops but not enough to go red, at least with the stock suspension. It was probably an issue with the fixed sports kit.

Couldn't manage to get gold with comfort softs on the stock car however. I'm sure it can be done, but not sure if I'm good enough. My estimation of my best possible lap puts me within a second, so it might be there. I need to try again.
 
Stock weight camaro nosed dived for me until i added weight mod. Then it flew and landed nicely.
 
I'm wondering if this happens anywhere else. I've testing a lot of cars at Eiger Nordwand, and some big SUVs would noticeably hit the ground with the front bumper on that bumpy/jumpy downhill section (before a tight right hander) with visible damage, but no red time. Lighter cars soaked it up just fine of course. Try it in the Range Stormer or the Audi Pikes Peak (there may have been one or two more) and you'll see what I mean. I think it also did it with the Dodge RAM.
 
Bentley le mans race car 700PP seasonal , when take off over bridge = red lap. Need to brake before take off to not red. Very bad for a time attack.:grumpy:
Somebody have a trick to pass without braking??
 
praiano63
Bentley le mans race car 700PP seasonal , when take off over bridge = red lap. Need to brake before take off to not red. Very bad for a time attack.:grumpy:
Somebody have a trick to pass without braking??
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Laps being invalidate for me here as well using one of the Peugeot 908 HDi Le Mans prototypes.
 
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