New Group C/Le Mans Cars?

[Remy Zero]

I've read with interest how some of the latest supercars, like the SLS and the 458 Italia would be included in GT5.

However, in most of the pictures released, showed the Mazda 787B, and also the Audi R10. My question is, will they also include later versions of Group C cars, besides the classics? Maybe the Audi R15, for example?

I'd be looking forward for replies

 

[CCXRacer]

they better

 

[Remy Zero]

they better

I'm actually hoping for it. Because, there's no video or picture indicating they're gonna include the new Group C cars..

 

[Earth]

The majority of Le Mans cars in previous GTs are either Le Man winners or historical Japanese prototypes

The R15 is German and hasn't won anything noteworthy

I think there is a very high chance the Dome S102 gets in (Japanese) and the Pescarolo Peugeot 908 (Sponsored by Gran Turismo and Playstation)

 

[Northstar]

It's hard to say, although it seems they are trying to broaden the spectrum of GT so they may include newer cars.

 

[NapoleonMikey]

I hope they include more of the latest and greatest race cars, but just to nitpick, there hasn't been a new Group C car since 93 when the class died. But I know what you where referring to with the latest batch of prototypes

 

[Spec M]

I really cross my fingers and hope that the Sauber C9 and the Peugot 905 make a come back to the GT series.

 

[rsh]

I am a big fan of the Group C racers.
I hope we will see the Lola' s and if the license with Porsche will come through the 956.

The recent prototypes would be nice with the Acura, R15, Dome (incredible nice sounds) and the Peug 908. The Peugeot 908 would be nice with Xbox advertisement

I also excpect the Ferrari 333SP in the game with the incredible nice V12 engine. Probably in Momo colours, altough I prefer the Giesse of white/blue version.

 

[Remy Zero]

I'd like to see the latest Lola-Aston Martin, the new Peugeot, as well as the R15.

 

[Remy Zero]

Speaking of Le Mans, i wonder if they'll also do, battles between different classes, just like the actual Le Mans. This means, if you choose to race in a Corvette, you won't have to battle it out against the Mazda 787B, for example.

 

[socomkiller59]

I'd like to see the latest Lola-Aston Martin, the new Peugeot, as well as the R15.

thats exactly what I was going to type- good thing I scrolled down. 👍

 

[Coiler]

There are some sweet past GT4 lm cars that i would love to drive (r10, r15, aston lm car, peugot hpi, and, and, and...)<hope>

 

[arvin charles]

You can't mention Le Mans & LMP cars without the glaring omission that is Porsche.

The R15 is German and hasn't won anything noteworthy

Try the 12 Hours of Sebring. Amongst the legendary sports car races, Sebring is up there with Le Mans & Daytona (which has lost its luster in recent years in the hands of GA).

 

[JAGUAR1977]

More important than ever more LMP/Group C cars in to ensure they sound realistic.

Unique engine sounds is what makes sportscar racing so different to F1, Indycar etc.

 

[Tornado]

Speaking of Le Mans, i wonder if they'll also do, battles between different classes, just like the actual Le Mans. This means, if you choose to race in a Corvette, you won't have to battle it out against the Mazda 787B, for example.

Because of the performance tuning aspect of the series, I'm not sure if people would actually like that.

 

[Seismica]

Because of the performance tuning aspect of the series, I'm not sure if people would actually like that.

Well i don't think that is the case.

In GT4 there was a class of race cars that could not be used in any competition, they were too fast for the regional events and far too slow to compete in the world championships.

The Mclaren F1 race car would be a good example, as would the XJ220 race car and the Gillet Vertigo, Lister Storm etc.

I mean a really skilled driver could race them against Audi R8s and such, but generally they are not good enough.

If there was competitions where it sorted the race cars by classes/performance it would be much better and would allow people to use more cars.

 

[Obli]

Group C / GTP cars are fantastic. Had the privilidge to see a few races with these classics at Brands Hatch and Silverstone.

Would love to see the classic Jag XJRs, Spice and of course the Porsches. Here's the pack I saw racing: http://www.groupcracing.com/cars

Would love these with damage and in-cockpit!

 

[Remy Zero]

I agree with Seismica. In my older GT4 profile, i never used cars like the XJ220, or the Mclaren F1, or the GT40. Why? Because i have no idea which race to use them. It's either they're too slow, or way too fast.

 

[phillookswasted]

As long as we get a nice selection of LMP1/LMP2/GT1 & GT2 cars I will be happy. Don't really mind if they are a few years old. The laptimes of the newest cars haven't really came on leaps and bounds in the last 10 years have they. Just more laps before you have to stop for fuel these days.

 

[TAFKADY]

The laptimes of the newest cars haven't really came on leaps and bounds in the last 10 years have they. Just more laps before you have to stop for fuel these days.

Actually there is a significant difference in lap times. 10 years ago there was a noticeable difference between qualifying and race setup too. The '99 GT-One achieved 3:29.9 in quali and 3:35.1 in race trim. In 2008 the 908 HDi FAP achieved 3:18.5 in quali and 3:19.4 in race trim (all from wikipedia). And don't forget the track has been made slower over the years (except Tertre Rouge), still the 908 almost beats the lap times of '70/'71 when there were no chicanes in Dunlop and on the Hunaudieres (Mulsannes Straight).

 

[arvin charles]

As long as we get a nice selection of LMP1/LMP2/GT1 & GT2 cars I will be happy. Don't really mind if they are a few years old. The laptimes of the newest cars haven't really came on leaps and bounds in the last 10 years have they. Just more laps before you have to stop for fuel these days.

ACO regulates how fast the cars can go in the track in the name of safety. The technology is much, much higher (as well as the capabilities) in todays' cars.

Now, about the laps in between fuel stops. I hope PD gets fuel mileage correct this time...It sucks having to pit in approx. 15 laps when I know the cars can go a LOT longer than that.

 

[Tornado]

Well i don't think that is the case.

In GT4 there was a class of race cars that could not be used in any competition, they were too fast for the regional events and far too slow to compete in the world championships.

That was because PD put tons of effort into modeling and creating about 15 different cars or so (Corvette C5R, Viper GTS-R, Ford GT LM, XJ220-C, Zonda LM, etc.) that could all be said to be in the same class (roughly) and then proceeded to not make an actual race event for them to race in.

 

[chriz00]

I believe they were modeling a Ferrari 512, so I'm hoping for a Porsche 917 Gulf ... but then again, the licensing issue.

Damn!

 

[Earth]

ACO regulates how fast the cars can go in the track in the name of safety. The technology is much, much higher (as well as the capabilities) in todays' cars.

Now, about the laps in between fuel stops. I hope PD gets fuel mileage correct this time...It sucks having to pit in approx. 15 laps when I know the cars can go a LOT longer than that.

I dont think I've gotten any lemans car to go further then 8 laps at lemans on fuel. The power output is wrong on almost all of GT4 Le Mans cars. I reduced the Pescarolo C60's power down to a much more realistic 660hp (still 10 more then the real thing) and I got it to go 9 laps. Real lemans LMP1 cars can run 12-13 laps on a tank of fuel. Also keep in mind that all cars in GT4 have 80 liter fuel tanks while real LMP1 cars have 90 liter fuel tanks outside of the diesels

The most unrealistic part is the tire wear. This year at Le Mans the LMP1 cars were triple stinting and some times quadruple stinting the tires. That's about 40 laps at Le Mans per set of tires where as in GT4 you'd be fortunate to get super hard racing tires to last longer then 14 laps.

Tire wear itself is way off in GT4, there is no benefit to running harder tires in endurance races as the pit stops are way faster then real life and more then offset any time you gain by pitting less.

 

[dustbin89]

Well i don't think that is the case.

In GT4 there was a class of race cars that could not be used in any competition, they were too fast for the regional events and far too slow to compete in the world championships.

The Mclaren F1 race car would be a good example, as would the XJ220 race car and the Gillet Vertigo, Lister Storm etc.

I mean a really skilled driver could race them against Audi R8s and such, but generally they are not good enough.

If there was competitions where it sorted the race cars by classes/performance it would be much better and would allow people to use more cars.

Agreed, like GT2 with power boundries, and some event for the slower race cars, basically a GT Championship ironically enough. e.g. A copy of the BGTC

 

[regnar]

I dont think I've gotten any lemans car to go further then 8 laps at lemans on fuel. The power output is wrong on almost all of GT4 Le Mans cars. I reduced the Pescarolo C60's power down to a much more realistic 660hp (still 10 more then the real thing) and I got it to go 9 laps. Real lemans LMP1 cars can run 12-13 laps on a tank of fuel. Also keep in mind that all cars in GT4 have 80 liter fuel tanks while real LMP1 cars have 90 liter fuel tanks outside of the diesels

The most unrealistic part is the tire wear. This year at Le Mans the LMP1 cars were triple stinting and some times quadruple stinting the tires. That's about 40 laps at Le Mans per set of tires where as in GT4 you'd be fortunate to get super hard racing tires to last longer then 14 laps.

Tire wear itself is way off in GT4, there is no benefit to running harder tires in endurance races as the pit stops are way faster then real life and more then offset any time you gain by pitting less.

👍 Having tire wear & fuel consumption are things I want, but how PD unrealistically presented them has always bugged me.
I assume that the short tire wear was built around PD approach of running short lap counts. If tire physics in GT5 is to be improved,
then tire wear should be present at all times & effect handling to some extent, but taking 10 laps at Grand Valley, should not leave you running on bold tires.

If I remember right in GT3, the American race at Laguna Seca. The Corvette Racing C5 car would take off like a bat out of hell, only to pit on lap 9 of a 10 lap race.

 

[Remy Zero]

Yes, i agree with mostly that have been posted here. Fuel, and especially tyres kinda suck at Le Mans. SUper Hard tyres and full tank can get only 8 laps and Le Mans. Another issue is the pit stop. Sometimes, when you pit just for fuel, they jack the car up in GT4, waste a lot of time, might as well change tyres as well.

I really hope overall, they will spice up the endurance races more. The real Le Mans normally will have about 50 cars starting. 20 will do in GT5 for me. Also, realistic tyre wear, fuel consumption, awesome cars like the legendary 787B, GT One, and some cool cars like the Audi R15, combined with weather changes, and day and night racing.....sounds like a great racing recipe for me

 

[IsmokeGT]

I think they make the tire wear, and fuel consumption the way it is because most people wont do a 60 lap race. If you want a real life racing experience, but you only want to do a 10 to 15 lap race then they the way PD models tire wear and fuel consumption is the way to go.

I dont agree, or disagree, but PD wanted to deliver a true to life racing experience, with pit stops included, in 10 laps and the only way to do that is to have unrealistic tire wear and fuel consumption.

 

[C-ZETA]

The '05 R8 and Pescarolo are both almost certainly gonna make it as they both made an appearance in GTPSP.

 

[dbarrade]

I wish they would scale the pitstop, tyre wear and fuel consumption to the number of laps you do as an option... and also have the option to have them realistic, but with less laps.