NEW GT5 Pro-Am

[monsterGAUZ]

welcome to the event. watch for psn message within the week.

Thank you I will

 

[fastfox400]

Sounds like a great idea, but will be stopped by admins. Cash prizes arent allowed.

 

[sytfu]

hence why no cash will be given. which is made clear in initial post. carry on.

 

[JR86]

It's not what you use, it's how you use it .
@original poster: I wouldn't stir up the forum about what tyres to use. It is well known most use CH tyres. Drift what you like. There is now write or wrong for wether to drift CH, CS or SH. People should stop treating tyre choice as a debate, rather an option

 

[sytfu]

It's not what you use, it's how you use it .
@original poster: I wouldn't stir up the forum about what tyres to use. It is well known most use CH tyres. Drift what you like. There is now write or wrong for wether to drift CH, CS or SH. People should stop treating tyre choice as a debate, rather an option

exactly, this is why i made it a open tire event. if all these readers would comprehend the initial post and how "FREE" the tire choice is ranging from sm, sh, cs, cm, or ch you will see the event was brainlessly attacked just because of what is status quo, but this is not everyones else standard. only major limitation was pp. im not into arguing over a game, but i am very much so into heavy competition.

carry on.

 

[Stavingo]

I'm down.

PSN: Stavingo

But for the main reason why your thread has been hijacked into an argument is because of the starting paragraph:

Ok, so here's the situation. GT5 users tend to always use the weaker compund tire to drift on, because its so much easier to do, BUT there is a world of people on this game that like higher skilled drifting. There tends to be many rooms that only allow you to use comfort hard tires, so alot of us stay out of these rooms. then, when we make our own rooms people with comfort hards come into the room and totally slow down the pace and fun of the close, highspeed, realistic tandem. Currently there is no fix for this... why you may ask? the people at PD figured it would be better to upward limit and not limit downward.... that seriously makes no sense. Typically comfort hard drifters try to make claims that they can hold more angle and maintain that sport drivers cant... well this is the time to put your money where your mouth is. Time to show and prove.

Now I'm not trying to provoke anything here, but putting some statements as if you're trying to offend CH drifters is obviously going to get a reply on this forum that won't be positive. Some of the statements there can be proved easily wrong, there are plenty of skilled drifters that drift on CH but alas you can go search GTP and find them yourself. Also, saying that drifting on another type of tyre is more fun than the other is totally biased and opinionated because everyones measurement of fun is totally different from one person to the other and everyone has personal preferences on what tyre they like to drift on.

Also, reasons why rooms are restricted to CH is because of tandeming ability. If there was a locking option to keep people ONLY on a certain profile of tyre then that would change a few settings within a drifting lobby. If you limit a room to CS only, I can still get out my CH drifter and ruin a tandem because I'm using a tyre with less grip.

Finally, don't get me wrong, there are pros and cons for drifting certain tyres. I don't deny that, but provoking and trying to convince veteran drifters on this forum that CH tyres are unrealistic and make them change their ways to Sports tyres will never work on a game on GT5. There are too many variables are unrealistic in the first place. For starters, the game doesn't exactly have the best physics for drifting on GT5 compared to PC racing games like LFS. Secondly, certain variables of the game don't work realistically either. For example, the clutch and handbrake is recognised as a button and is either completely on or off. This ruins realism because in a real car, the handbrake or a clutch isn't always stuck between mode "on" or "off". Lastly, the tyre models in GT5 aren't based on any sort of tyres that replicates the category that they are in. Just because they are supposed to simulate real life doesn't mean they are simulated realistically just like real life.

Sometimes, everyone has to accept that GT5 is just a god damn game and will never properly simulate real life driving.

 

[sytfu]

that was called a back story, interlude or whatever you want to call it, not to be misconstrued as slander. if thats what people took offense to, then grow the heck up.

i drive on a G27, i have a clutch and handbrake at my disposal. i accept that everyone may not have this. i have not told anyone what they can not use, i just simply stated that this competition may be one sided if you are driving vs a skilled driver in a better car, on better tires. i could care less abount converting the masses, altho i dont understand why the masses act as if sport drivers have the plauge, or have less fun while driving, but whatever. you sir are now entered.

enjoy.

 

[zedfonsie]

^I agree with everything that Stavingo said, I kinda got in a bad mood when I read the first paragraph, it sounded more like an insult then an invitation letter. I don't really think any tire is the best, but I don't find any tires other then comfort hards or comfort mediums to be I guess you could say the "standard" drift tire for gt5.

If you spend 1000's of dollars in tires then damn, you are pretty dedicated, but when I said "most people use bla bla bla" I mean that in a non competitive form like just a drift trackday a lot of people use junkyard tires as they are cheap and fun to drift. Also, not a lot of people can run those sport tires cause they need more power, and more power equals more money, and that money isn't going to grow on his ca18det that has to be swapped

Sign me up

Syt did you make an e-brake? If you did show some pics I built mine from random parts I found at a hardware store

 

[Stavingo]

i drive on a G27, i have a clutch and handbrake at my disposal. i accept that everyone may not have this. i have not told anyone what they can not use, i just simply stated that this competition may be one sided if you are driving vs a skilled driver in a better car, on better tires. i could care less abount converting the masses, altho i dont understand why the masses act as if sport drivers have the plauge, or have less fun while driving, but whatever. you sir are now entered.

enjoy.

Lucky for you to have a clutch and handbrake at disposal but these variables in GT5 aren't measured realistically but are made rather as a button, big flaw in GT5 and why I paddle shift rather than use my H shifter.

The reason why the masses act so foul towards drivers making claims that Sports tyres or whatever tyres you drift on is because the subject of tyres and what is the most realistic has gone to hell and back and which tyre most of us should drift on. It gets to the point where people try and prove their opinions as real facts as people in this thread are doing. It makes a laughing stock out of the poster because they try to find any piece of evidence that "x" tyre is better than "y" tyre and keep the trollfest going .

Enough of this conversation, any dates of when or time of when this competition goes down?

 

[Lazy Liquid]

Suggestion:
Anybody should broadcast this "mixed tires event", just to see how the mechanics will works, or just for laugh.

and @DaHammas510:

As you can clearly see, there are major contradictions present within these posts. but I will say I may have made an error saying comfort "HARD" poster. Maybe that should be changed to "COMFORT" poster. To me its just semantics because the entire comfort line is based on the traction of old plastic milk crates.

The bolden part almost made me puke. People who is used to drift on plastic milk crate tires knows the enormous diference between CH to CM and CM to CS. And im not talking only about tandeming: Just make a test using CH in any Toscana Custom precision touge with perfect flow using CH, then change to CM and you will see your concept falls down in seconds.

EDIT!
For the OP:

i drive on a G27, i have a clutch and handbrake at my disposal. i accept that everyone may not have this. i have not told anyone what they can not use, i just simply stated that this competition may be one sided if you are driving vs a skilled driver in a better car, on better tires. i could care less abount converting the masses, altho i dont understand why the masses act as if sport drivers have the plauge, or have less fun while driving, but whatever. you sir are now entered.

enjoy.

So if you use a G27, this is not you driving, right?



If so, i don´t understand why your wheels behaves like that. Even Muhammad Ali is not able to shake the wheels that much. Looks more like analog drifting than anything else.

EDIT#2!
This one made me laugh more:


Grrrrrrrrreat skills!

 

[SPANK]

Im not even going to get into this. I want to see a picture of you in a video and a picture standing next to that fc. As a fellow RL drifter and touge runner. I will say this. Closest thing to rt615s are sport hards. But youre tire choice is your choice dont shove it down other peoples throats.

In the end youre welcome for the pro am idea. And goodluck with the comp.

 

[zedfonsie]

I seen his other videos and he is the actual owner of that sexy rx7, but I don't really think you own a g27 cause your wheels are moving like an analog

 

[Lazy Liquid]

I seen his other videos and he is the actual owner of that sexy rx7, but I don't really think you own a g27 cause your wheels are moving like an analog

I know what he is gonna say:
- I bough a G27 months ago, and these videos was before i have it. Now my skills are much better because i can emulate what i do in real life, blablabla, blablaba, blablabla... but (probably) i still can´t do a standard clean line on Tsukuba without fishtail like a flawed SH user.

 

[sytfu]

i got the G27 last week actually... look at those videos upload date. that was when i first started drifting on gt5. the fc on tsukuba was my VERY first drift run, the FD on autumn mini was when i got used to tuning the car and the physics of it. but just to appeal to the general LAME scheme of how forums work i will appeal to your idiocy.....

its funny how you grabbed the OLDEST GT5 video i have uploaded, but clearly passed over the most recent two. even tho' they were just to show 2 specific things, they are a TON more legit than what you are trying to paint the picture of me as.



you can assume i will do what ever you think, im not your typical GT5 user but unless you actually know how i will perform.... STFU. please do not get into a debate on my legitimacy because you will be crushed. as i stated a few times already, if you are not going to add your name upon the list of competitors you should move along, there is nothing to see here.

 

[zedfonsie]

Yo add me

 

[Lazy Liquid]

Hahahaha, add me then.
By the way, i will use CH.

 

[Chocobos]

Oh sweet. TD Pro Am getting repped in GT5. Tell Geoff I miss him

 

[sytfu]

ok guys, so i was trying to come up with a fair and totally random way to chose the tire compound in the "battle round/tie breaker" and after brain storming with friends we devised a plan that is going to be totally unique to this competition (atleast we hope).

the random tire rule in the tie break round will go as follows. the tires will not be chosen by the judges, we are going to try to make sure personal choice does not interfere with the tire compound. instead the very first lap of the battle will determine this. the random lap time that gets post from the very first lap the very last number in the time is going to be the descision. for example. 1:13.464 is the lap time of the first lap, we take the last number in that sequence and that determines the tire. we have 5 tire options legal for this series. comfort hard (1) comfort medium (2) comfort soft (3) sport hard (4) sport medium (5). since the last number will either be a 0-9 (10 numbers) we will treat "0" as 10. so going back to the lap time 1:13.464 means "4" is the tire descision... sport hard. you get it? lets say the lap time is 1:07.331 that means "1" is the tire, comfort hard. now lets say the lap time is 1:22.157, after 5 it goes back to 1... so 6-1, 7-2, 8-3, 9-4, 0-5. so with that being said, the tire choice is "2" comfort mediums. i hope this is clear, it seems complicated but it makes a ton of sense and is a totally random way to have a tire chosen, instead of judges personally choosing the tire outcome.

ok, so. as you read in the initial post we plan to have 3 laps only utilizing the last lap if needed for tie breaking for descisions, there will not be OMT situations in this series because we are doing full lap competitions, we will only use the "battle lap" to settle the matter. the third lap is obviously touge rules, who ever lead the initial lap obviously leads this one (so qualifying placement is obviously going to be an important thing if you come to the battle round. since top qualifier of the two will lead the first lap.) you are to drift the entire lap, just as the previous two, but this time chase car is now allowed to pass but only clean overtakes in the designated passing zones (track specific). this is one of the two ways to win from the chase position. once overtake is complete, that lead needs to be held to win from the overtake. the other way to win from behind, is to stay glued to the lead car as much as possible till they make a mistake, your you obviously drove better. as the lead car, our duty is to not be overtaken but instead gap or outrun the chase car by drifting faster throughout the course than they are. since both cars will be on the same identicle tires, this will come down to car setup and skill. timing will be everything when approaching the passing zones where veteran drivers should be able to either set up a pass, or when in the lead position hold a tight inside line to close the door on a pass opporitunity.

this should keep the competition skill level wide open, because anything can happen in these situations. there will be 1 practice session before the competition, and it would behove you to practice on what ever tires you are not comfortable with, because if there is no clear and concise winner you may end up on a tire that you arent used to.

also, i will take suggestions on the subject of multiple car use... i myself personally would like to see one car used per competitor. meaning 1 car thru' the entire multiple round, 7 event series.

if you guys have any suggestions on this topic, or suggestions or questions pertaining to specifics on the rules feel free.


i am keeping the initial post updated with the current competitor listings and psn's. stay tuned.

 

[klevrah]

ok you should at least limit the tyres man, this will even it out. It should go as planned provided there is at least a tyre limit. just a thought.

oh yeah Im in

 

[Stavingo]

Ok, so the tie breaker tyre selection is selected my the lap time initially set. But the way that it's explained out there sounds a little unfair. Wouldn't it be easier to randomise it by giving each compound 2 numbers (eg. Comfort soft is number 3 or 7) and measure it by the last number in the lap time.

Also, it sounds a bit weird that the battle lap is judged like a touge battle. Are you also including this in the battle lap along with the judging criteria already set out or do we go completely off touge rules?

Cheers for clearing this up if you can 👍

 

[DaHammas510]

Quick Chart to show illustrate The tandem tie breaker Tire selection method. There is actually a slight advantage to the comfort line of tires because there are 3 choices vs 2 choices for sports, but i'm fine with that.

 

[DaHammas510]

Ok, so the tie breaker tyre selection is selected my the lap time initially set. But the way that it's explained out there sounds a little unfair. Wouldn't it be easier to randomise it by giving each compound 2 numbers (eg. Comfort soft is number 3 or 7) and measure it by the last number in the lap time.

Also, it sounds a bit weird that the battle lap is judged like a touge battle. Are you also including this in the battle lap along with the judging criteria already set out or do we go completely off touge rules?

Cheers for clearing this up if you can 👍

as far as the randem tire selection, it sounds like you have it how he was trying to say. i made a quick chart to try to clear it up for everybody. Look at the chart and read his post again. He will be on shortly to clean up that post and move it to the first page.

 

[sytfu]

Ok, so the tie breaker tyre selection is selected my the lap time initially set. But the way that it's explained out there sounds a little unfair. Wouldn't it be easier to randomise it by giving each compound 2 numbers (eg. Comfort soft is number 3 or 7) and measure it by the last number in the lap time.

Also, it sounds a bit weird that the battle lap is judged like a touge battle. Are you also including this in the battle lap along with the judging criteria already set out or do we go completely off touge rules?

Cheers for clearing this up if you can 👍

sorry for taking so long, i was in the gym...

to clear up the confusion. the event is a traditional lead follow, unless it goes to a descision.... instead of a one more time solution, we will settle it in a touge type battle.

as far as the tires go, the very last numeric portion of the first lap time that gets posted is the deciding factor of the tire to be chosen, IF you go to a battle round. at that point the tires do have 2 numbers applied to each tire to help give a better chance to land on a reasonable tire choice.

Comfort hard tire - (1-6)
Comfort medium tire - (2-7)
Comfort soft tire - (3-8)
Sport hard tire - (4-9)
Sport medium tire - (5-0)

this way there is 2 random opporitunities to get put on either tire.

 

[Stavingo]

Alrighty, cheers for the clarification 👍

 

[sytfu]

ok, just to clarify... the passing zones are marked in red.

these zones are only utilized in battle round. if you go for passing on any of your tandem battles you will be disqualified. only way you can change a position is if the lead driver spins and you keep drifting, or lead driver goes off course in a way they can not keep position and speed on the course and it leaves the track wide open.

 

[sytfu]

ok, i am going to have to edit the pp range after alot of testing today. i ran 12 different chassis today, all 497-500pp the average HP range is 340hp. now this is definitely not an issue, but the average competitors car is over the 500pp range on both sides. so the suggestion to not restrict pp to 500 but instead 570 or 600 has been proposed. i would like to make everyone happy, but i just dont know how it would pan out hp wise if we took performance points that high. so there may just be a cap on horse power which will still allow anyone to drive what they want, but it would definitely heat up competition. alot of guys use aristo's, supras, camaros etc. so i think 600hp would be a level playing ground for everyone.

 

[Darkrage1138]

Maybe what GT5 drifters don't understand is drifting is about skill and style not about who can get the most angle on the same tires as everyone else. I run Sport meds and race hards. I do it because i like it. enter me i'll be there to try it out.

 

[Powellx235]

Maybe what GT5 drifters don't understand is drifting is about skill and style not about who can get the most angle on the same tires as everyone else. I run Sport meds and race hards. I do it because i like it. enter me i'll be there to try it out.

Well, your tag says "novice drifter". So, yeah..

 

[zedfonsie]

Well, your tag says "novice drifter". So, yeah..

LOL, I agree with powell

Racing tires seriously? I would love to see you drift racing tires!

 

[anthaliscious]

People these days are hilarious