[NEW POLL] - Please Vote! - GT5 Race Cars - Testing and Ranking - Final Results!

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Wyvern_64
I thought of the weighting of points, and decided that top speed means more than just the fastest speed it'll go. Compare a car A with max speed 230mph and car B with max speed 250mph... Car B will get up to 230mph much faster than Car A. Higher top speed means that the car will get up to a higher speed faster. :)
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And that isn't already included in the score with the 3 separate acceleration tests?

I tip my hat for the trouble you've gone through, excellent work. Personally I would tune the ranking a bit but everyone is able to do that themselves anyway by downloading the chart. I just added up all acceleration times and laptimes and ranked based on those ignoring the top speeds. Top 5 in order are Minolta, Audi R8 '01, R92CP, Sauber C9 and R89C, I think I agree with this list.
 
Wyvern_64
o9lifted, the 0-350m, 0-790m, and 0-1780m were all on different tracks. :)
RikkiGT-R: Alright :) I can re-test. I don't think the acceleration and top speed will change, but I can sure tweak the tuning more to try to get more out of it in the time trials. If you have a tuning you like, I'll try it out to see how I do with it.
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Dont really answering my question but ok.

Another one, just curious. How did you get to the composite score? Just in case I would done something similar.
 
Wyvern_64
I bought it from the UCD, but you can also win one from the Le Mans 24 hour race in B-Spec.
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Thanks again for the info. Got a red one today, at the UCD. Had to rob Peter to pay Paul, but it was well worth it. First time that I have gotten under 39 sec at Indy, but not by much, 39.775. Thanks again!!
 
Wyvern_64
RikkiGT-R: Alright :) I can re-test. I don't think the acceleration and top speed will change, but I can sure tweak the tuning more to try to get more out of it in the time trials. If you have a tuning you like, I'll try it out to see how I do with it.
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:D

I have no doubt you can get a more precise test with your own settings. I'm not exactly a grease monkey, I just drive them.
My point is I'm quite biased towards Nissan and was jokingly appalled.
 
Here are some top speeds I took at Sarthe with it's 3.5 mile straight with no drafting. While I tested all these cars at Suzuka I'm not going to post the times as the final word because every person's time will be different as every person drives differently. When a car has a listed down force, DF, I set it to minimum and list the amount. I added DF aero on some cars at GT Auto. All cars have maximum HP tune available. Speed first in MPH. RC is race car.

298 X2010
272 Veyron
265 Toyota GT-One RC '99 30/50 DF did the test twice-big surprise
259 Audi R8 RC '01 30/50 DF
259 Cadillac Cien 5/5 DF
258 Nissan F92CP '92 30/50 DF
257 Peugeot 908 HDI FAP '10 30/50 DF
256 Minolta 30/50 DF
256 Audi R8 RC Playstation/Oreca '05 30/50 DF
255 BMW V12 LMR RC '99 30/50 DF
255 Pescarolo '04 30/50 DF
255 Enzo
254 Bentley Speed 8 RC 30/50 DF
252 Benz-Sauber C9 30/50 DF
252 Jaguar XMR-9 LM RC '88 V-12 30/50 DF
250 Dodge Viper SRT 10 ACR '08 10/25 DF
250 VW W12 Nardo Concept '01 5/5 DF
249 TVR Speed 12
248 Mazda 787B 30/50 DF
248 Pescarolo '05 30/50 DF
247 Ford GT '05 25 DF
247 Z06 Vette non-Race Mod
246 ZR1 no race mod
246 McLaren F1 '94 20/50 DF
246 Gillet Vertigo RC 15/30 DF
245 Pescarolo '03 30/50 DF
245 Benz CLK-GTR RC '98 20/40 DF
245 Nissan R390 GT1 RC '98 20/40 DF
244 Peugeot 905 '92 30/50 DF
244 Nissan R89C '89 30/50 DF
244 Nissan Option Stream Z '04 5 DF should go faster with taller gear
242 Formula GT 40/55 DF
242 Nissan GT-R Spec V '09 should go faster with taller gear
242 Audi R10 TDI RC '06 30/50 DF
240 Chaparral 2J fan car
240 Ford GT LM Spec II Test Car 20/40 DF
240 Audi R8 5.2 FSI Quattro '09
239 Tommy Kaira ZZII 5/5 DF
238 Zonda R 20/35 DF
237 Lambo Gallardo '08
236 BMW McLaren F1 GTR RC '97 20/40 DF
236 Panoz Esperante GTR-1 RC '98 20/40 DF
234 Jaguar XJ13 RC '66 15/30 DF
234 Ferrari F2007 50/100 DF (that is min. DF)
234 Viper GTS '99
233 Benz SLS '10
232 Buick Special '62
231 Lambo Nomad Diablo GT-1 '00 15/30 DF
231 Ford GT LM RC Spec II 20/40 DF
230 Ferrari 559 '06
230 Nissan R390 GT1 Road Car '98 15/30 DF should go faster with taller gear
229 Lexus LFA '10
228 Ruf Yellow Bird: Death Trap Award for the scariest car at full speed
226 Chevy NASCAR 20/40 DF
226 Ferrari F40
225 Corvette C5-R (C5) '00 20/40 DF
224 Mazda RX-7 LM RC 15/30 DF
224 Chaparral 2D RC '67 20/40 DF
222 Ferrari 458 Italia '08
221 GT by Citroen RC 20/40 DF
220 Ford Mark IV RC '67 (GT-40) 15/30 DF
220 Ford Mustang Trans-Cammer
219 AC 427 S/C Cobra
218 Ruf CTR 2 '96
217 Art Morrison Vette '60
215 Ford GT40 '69
215 Lexus IS F RAcing Concept '08 15/30 DF
213 Toyota 7 30/50 DF where is the 943 hp?
212 Nissan 350Z concept LMRC 15/30 DF
211 Nissan Yellow Hat YMS GT-R '08
211 Audi R8 LMS RC '09 20/35 DF
209 BMW GTR RC '01
209 Jaguar XJ220 LM RC 20/40 DF
209 Dodge Challenger R/T Race Mod '70 10/20 DF go faster with taller gear
203 Nissan GT-R Concept LM RC 20/40 DF
201 Blitz Dunlop ER34 Skyline '07 10/20 DF
197 Suzuki Escudo Test Trial Car 20/40 DF where is the 1047 hp?
128 VW Bus
 
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o9lifted, I put the formula in the OP. :)
JuiceMcGoose, thanks for the work, but for my ranking, I'm not interested in highest possible speed... I wanted the car's top speed under race tuning, including downforce. And racing with minimum downforce would kill lap times.

For those of you who think that Top Speed is weighed too much, I have found that (if I were to rank based on lap times alone) it made little difference in the ranking.

So here's an important question: should I only go by lap times, and focus more on that, maybe addind more test tracks?
 
Wyvern_64
I thought of the weighting of points, and decided that top speed means more than just the fastest speed it'll go. Compare a car A with max speed 230mph and car B with max speed 250mph... Car B will get up to 230mph much faster than Car A. Higher top speed means that the car will get up to a higher speed faster. :)
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Agree, but on what percentage of tracks will that even play a role?
This is however a comparison of stock race cars(no constant of equal top speed across all cars) so I'll leave it at that. Thanks again for your hard work.
 
As long as there is enough distance, a car's top speed is a result of power vs. aerodynamic drag, with a little rolling resistance mixed in. By minimising downforce you level the playing field as much as possible between cars with and without downforce. It's a way to determine what car has the most power.

I also think it's fun to see what car is fastest. That would be with min. downforce. Traditional American hot rodding was divided between two camps. 1/4 mile drag racing and top speed lakesters. My dad was one of the original Los Angeles hot rodders, it's how he met my mom, and I was born in '52. So I have that old school thing going on. This game needs a 1/4 drag strip.
 
Wyvern_64
So here's an important question: should I only go by lap times, and focus more on that, maybe addind more test tracks?
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I think at the end of the day laptimes are what really count. As long as you have a good selection of tracks. You've already got two medium tracks where a medium amount of grip is needed (obviously both very different) but something smaller, maybe Laguna and a more open track like La Sarthe / Nordschleife could be useful. But it's up to you.
 
sumbrownkid
Now I want the GT-One even more. Even with the AI being slow with it, your tests show its a speed a demon.
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I picked that one up from the UCD, because it looked cool - not knowing how fast it was. Man, did it blow me away!!! 👍 Even untuned it easily dips below 39 seconds on Indy and reaches over 400KMh on the straights.
 
JuiceMcGoose, that's cool. :) I agree, we need a two lane quarter mile drag strip.

Does everyone agree that it'd be helpful to make a spreadsheet with only lap times and rankings based on those? I would keep the current one, copy the Indy Road Course and Trial Mountain times, and add 2 others... I'm thinking Tokyo for the other one, it's a track I can run fast, consistent laps at. Nurburgring GP/F would be the other. Lots of tight technical corners, and a lot of grip needed to go around the track very fast.

Edit: Matti_Dude, will definitely consider Laguna Seca also, thanks.
 
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SimonK
Whilst I appreciate the effort the fact the cars were all modifed makes this pointless for purists like me that run race cars stock, apart from better tyres. Still, good work.
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I agree especially with race cars. Race cars have specifications depending upon what class they are in or what sanctioning body they belong to etc... I tend to leave race cars stock. I wondered why the Audi R10 was ranked so low when I first looked at the spreadsheet. I would be curious to see how they all rank without modifications.

Anyways it looks like you put a lot of work into it and thanks for sharing!
 
IndyRacer
I agree especially with race cars. Race cars have specifications depending upon what class they are in or what sanctioning body they belong to etc... I tend to leave race cars stock. I wondered why the Audi R10 was ranked so low when I first looked at the spreadsheet. I would be curious to see how they all rank without modifications.

Anyways it looks like you put a lot of work into it and thanks for sharing!
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I agree with giving the OP props on the effort, but I also agree that this needs to be done with stock race cars.

If you are going to modify them, then you really only need to own 10 cars or so and win every race you want. The GT-One, Minolta, FGT, ZR-1 LM, a Super GT car of some sort, etc. will pretty much cover it, so I don't understand the purpose in testing all these highly modded cars that aren't themselves anymore.

The point of having all the different cars is to have all the DIFFERENT cars.

Just my .02 of course. ;)

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And... I wish you were testing the cars stock (especially top speed) because I could use help with all the stuff I've got in the works for the next version of the matchmaker program. :D
 
JuiceMcGoose
Here are some top speeds I took at Sarthe with it's 3.5 mile straight with no drafting. While I tested all these cars at Suzuka I'm not going to post the times as the final word because every person's time will be different as every person drives differently. When a car has a listed down force, DF, I set it to minimum and list the amount. I added DF aero on some cars at GT Auto. All cars have maximum HP tune available. Speed first in MPH. RC is race car.

298 X2010
272 Veyron
265 Toyota GT-One RC '99 30/50 DF did the test twice-big surprise
259 Audi R8 RC '01 30/50 DF
259 Cadillac Cien 5/5 DF
258 Nissan F92CP '92 30/50 DF
257 Peugeot 908 HDI FAP '10 30/50 DF
256 Minolta 30/50 DF
256 Audi R8 RC Playstation/Oreca '05 30/50 DF
255 BMW V12 LMR RC '99 30/50 DF
255 Pescarolo '04 30/50 DF
255 Enzo
254 Bentley Speed 8 RC 30/50 DF
252 Benz-Sauber C9 30/50 DF
252 Jaguar XMR-9 LM RC '88 V-12 30/50 DF
250 Dodge Viper SRT 10 ACR '08 10/25 DF
250 VW W12 Nardo Concept '01 5/5 DF
249 TVR Speed 12
248 Mazda 787B 30/50 DF
248 Pescarolo '05 30/50 DF
247 Ford GT '05 25 DF
247 Z06 Vette non-Race Mod
246 ZR1 no race mod
246 McLaren F1 '94 20/50 DF
246 Gillet Vertigo RC 15/30 DF
245 Pescarolo '03 30/50 DF
245 Benz CLK-GTR RC '98 20/40 DF
245 Nissan R390 GT1 RC '98 20/40 DF
244 Peugeot 905 '92 30/50 DF
244 Nissan R89C '89 30/50 DF
244 Nissan Option Stream Z '04 5 DF should go faster with taller gear
242 Formula GT 40/55 DF
242 Nissan GT-R Spec V '09 should go faster with taller gear
242 Audi R10 TDI RC '06 30/50 DF
240 Chaparral 2J fan car
240 Ford GT LM Spec II Test Car 20/40 DF
240 Audi R8 5.2 FSI Quattro '09
239 Tommy Kaira ZZII 5/5 DF
238 Zonda R 20/35 DF
237 Lambo Gallardo '08
236 BMW McLaren F1 GTR RC '97 20/40 DF
236 Panoz Esperante GTR-1 RC '98 20/40 DF
234 Jaguar XJ13 RC '66 15/30 DF
234 Ferrari F2007 50/100 DF (that is min. DF)
234 Viper GTS '99
233 Benz SLS '10
232 Buick Special '62
231 Lambo Nomad Diablo GT-1 '00 15/30 DF
231 Ford GT LM RC Spec II 20/40 DF
230 Ferrari 559 '06
230 Nissan R390 GT1 Road Car '98 15/30 DF should go faster with taller gear
229 Lexus LFA '10
228 Ruf Yellow Bird: Death Trap Award for the scariest car at full speed
226 Chevy NASCAR 20/40 DF
226 Ferrari F40
225 Corvette C5-R (C5) '00 20/40 DF
224 Mazda RX-7 LM RC 15/30 DF
224 Chaparral 2D RC '67 20/40 DF
222 Ferrari 458 Italia '08
221 GT by Citroen RC 20/40 DF
220 Ford Mark IV RC '67 (GT-40) 15/30 DF
220 Ford Mustang Trans-Cammer
219 AC 427 S/C Cobra
218 Ruf CTR 2 '96
217 Art Morrison Vette '60
215 Ford GT40 '69
215 Lexus IS F RAcing Concept '08 15/30 DF
213 Toyota 7 30/50 DF where is the 943 hp?
212 Nissan 350Z concept LMRC 15/30 DF
211 Nissan Yellow Hat YMS GT-R '08
211 Audi R8 LMS RC '09 20/35 DF
209 BMW GTR RC '01
209 Jaguar XJ220 LM RC 20/40 DF
209 Dodge Challenger R/T Race Mod '70 10/20 DF go faster with taller gear
203 Nissan GT-R Concept LM RC 20/40 DF
201 Blitz Dunlop ER34 Skyline '07 10/20 DF
197 Suzuki Escudo Test Trial Car 20/40 DF where is the 1047 hp?
128 VW Bus
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Wow, thank you so much!!

I've been looking for a list like this especially with the downforce information.

Cheers mate!
 
Well, I wish I would have kept them stock before starting this, but there's nothing I can do now. :( Honestly, I bet that the rankings wouldn't change hardly at all with all the cars stock...
 
Excellent work.

I was a big fan of the GTone in GT2 and I picked it up in the UDC a few days ago but havent used it yet. Time to break that girl out.
 
Ignore the poll, I wanted to remove it, but can't. I'm going to be working on collecting and testing all the cars STOCK now, as well as tuned, at these tracks:

Indy Road Course
Trial Mountain
Tokyo R246
Nurburgring GP/F

Total time will decide the rankings. Will have separate stock and tuned spreadsheets.

Thanks for the positive feedback and suggestions everyone! :D
 
Fair Trader, sure, once my Bob finishes his Le Mans race. :)
art1976, technically it's a rally car (or dirt trial car) so I didn't include it in the list...

Should I test that car and add it to the ranking?
 
can you just write in the first post, that the poll is useless... after some time it's not even on the last page anymore... (edit: it's closed anyway...)

Thanks for your passionate testing! Really appreciate it...

And now you really have in mind to test all cars in GT5 or all the racecars stock and tuned? Why did you choose these 4 tracks?
 
Basilea
And now you really have in mind to test all cars in GT5 or all the racecars stock and tuned? Why did you choose these 4 tracks?
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I will get 2 of every race car: one stock and one tuned.

Indy Road Course is flat and tests the car's overall handling through different kinds of turns: low speed hairpins, medium speed technical turns, and high speed slightly banked turns. Indy has a very wide variety of turns and straights to test on. Trial Mountain, on the other hand, is bumpy, rough, and features tight technical turns and hills that will really test how much grip and power the cars have, and how well they can handle being thrown around a little. Tokyo is a higher speed track that tests the cars' handling at higher speeds and gears. Nurburgring GP/F is tight, technical, and much lower speed.

These tracks offer a great variety, and should cover most types of tracks these cars will race at, and the ranking should be very accurate to how good the cars actually are. :)
 
Nice job, I have the Toyota GT-one myself and it's a great car

I can't help thinking you might of been biased towards it (your display picture)?
 

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