New Rules/ Changes

[prodbunta]

Post removed by moderator. Warning issued.

I had asked you not to continue arguing, next time please take the hint.

 

[Small_Fryz]

well, actually its against the TOS and AUP to type bad, so once a mod sees this i think they will take a different train of thought than you.

And dont say stuff you cant back up, you said you could beat hotboi, well week 6 is next week off you go, or were you just talking it up with no intention of backing it up.

 

[CFM]

If anyone has anything to add to the discussion about the rule change, please continue. I will not tolerate any more abusive posts. Thank you.👍

 

[VEXD]

I have something to add.

I think we at GT Planet should stick to what we know.

You know why? Because it worx.

We have rules laid out for us by Cured Fetter Mound and he will alter them slightly to avoid confusion when it suits to please/aid the racers competing that week, but i dont think we should follow the lead of another site, i think we should be proud of who we are and the rules we follow at GT Planet, and realise that if we have a ruling that may bring the times up, but calls for more skill in driving then we have a ruling that people will ultimately respect!!!

People are either going to look at the way we run things and disagree, meaning they wont want to compete, or they will look at our rules and discipline, and decide they like our style, meaning we will entice the right kind of racer into our fold, and that is what we all want, people who show respect for the game, the combos and EACH OTHER when racing.

Now im off to save the world...... VEXD out.

 

[Mr P]

I prefer the new relaxed rules at GT.de and hope to see some great record laps produced like they were in GT3 👍 on the edge driving always makes the replay so much better to view IMO .... as long as it's on the edge! .. and not crossing it

 

[Teledriel]

This much I do know, GT.de will most likely be the bottom .. no matter what, CFM will never relax a rule that would go against what they impose, but he has all the right to make a rule more strict for WRS.

That is the job of the officals, and anyone who has to do that hard job of making sure rules are followed. They have a guideline, GT.de's in this case, and can make anything STRICTER that they want, just never less relaxed.

From what I can see, 95% of the time, our drivers do great with the rules we have been running.

Keep up the good work CFM 👍

 

[Lotrzyna]

In my humble opinion we should leave rules as they are. 2 wheels on the track, max 2 wheels behind red/white curbs and max 2 wheels behind white line. Why? Cos I am in person playing GT cos i would like to feel as max reality as it is possible. If in real life drivers dont cross white lines or curbs we also shouldn't. 2 reason is that if Polyphony tryes to make GT as near to reality as it is possible - in example by placing real tracks in the game - we should also try to drive through that tracks (and of course every other) as near to reality as it is possible.
My english isnt too good but I hope that you understood what I want to say ;-)

 

[kragbees]

I also agree that we should stick to what we know, and use CFM's rules. If you want to submit your times to the other site, do so, but I think we all know the rules that CFM has made up for the various week's and we all live with it. So live with it haha.

It's rather simple :

2 wheels on track always, or 2 on rumble strips always ... that sounds rather simple for me to follow ...

 

[Tyre King]

Stricter rules make better drivers!

Better drivers, makes better competition!

Better competition, makes a bigger challenge for ALL of us WRS guys!

If Gt.de want to relax the rules so that they can more or less straightline the chincanes at Le Mans (Le Sarthe) and making the tracks easier (basically sticking two fingers up at the spirit of racing a track) then so be it! But the better,more tallented driver's who CAN drive within the confines of the intended track will always be found here!

To quote Vexd!

BAHHH!



ps @Hot Maybe if we ignore him he mite go away, everyone that's been here a while KNOWS that you and the other D1 guys can drive!
He hasn't even included any info about himself in his profile, he could be a mole from another inferior board just tryin to stir things up! (J/K for those conspiracy theorists out there! lol)

Neil

 

[BenW]

IMO the new rules leave too much up to interpretation as to what is track what is not track. The current WRS rules are what I prefer. They are pretty explicit and its what we have been racing for some time now, correct?
In relaxing the rules, you will see the time gaps get bigger between those who take full advantage of the allowed track and pave, and the guys who are racing by the older "stricter" means (becuase they may feel that the older ways are more genuine, or they dont know the new allowances).

 

[Rod]

hi there,

Maybe some guys know me already, i m admin over at GT.de. Just to keep things clear. The reason for the new rules is simple. It makes no sence for us to keep the Database to difficult with to much rules. As you all know, we ve the only Database with all cars, tyres etc.

Most of the Drivers don t even read the important things, so we decided to keep it tight for most of you. If you ve any Problems with the Database, the rules, blah ... feel free and build a new one. We re not in the mood to explain things over and over again. It should be easy for the stewards and the racers. Don t get me wrong but you can trust us, that we ll think about pro and contra before changing anything.

don t forget, it s just a plain stupid game

Regards,

Rod

 

[CFM]

hi there,

Maybe some guys know me already, i m admin over at GT.de. Just to keep things clear. The reason for the new rules is simple. It makes no sence for us to keep the Database to difficult with to much rules. As you all know, we ve the only Database with all cars, tyres etc.

Most of the Drivers don t even read the important things, so we decided to keep it tight for most of you. If you ve any Problems with the Database, the rules, blah ... feel free and build a new one. We re not in the mood to explain things over and over again. It should be easy for the stewards and the racers. Don t get me wrong but you can trust us, that we ll think about pro and contra before changing anything.

don t forget, it s just a plain stupid game
Regards,

Rod

Thanks for the info Rod.👍 The only thing that I really don't like being able to use is the Deep Forest and Grand Valley paved corner extentions, and the red pavement on LeSarthe. It is just really not sportsmanlike to cut through there in my opinion. I can live with the cobblestones on Nurb and other similar areas, but those two I really don't agree with. Of course you are welcome to do with your database as you wish. It just is a bit dissapoiting to me as it's my favorite database (Sorry Jordan ). If you want to make it easy for everyone, the next thing you know wall touches will be allowed. Nobody reads that rule anyway...you can see what happened at Racing Point. A ghost town.
Best Wishes, Todd

 

[Kolyana]

hi there,
If you ve any Problems with the Database, the rules, blah ... feel free and build a new one. We re not in the mood to explain things over and over again. It should be easy for the stewards and the racers. Don t get me wrong but you can trust us, that we ll think about pro and contra before changing anything.

don t forget, it s just a plain stupid game

Regards,

Rod

Hi Rod,

Thanks for taking the time out to come over here and ... well ... telling us to shove it. It's not normally my style, but I'm going to make a polite retort, if I may.

You see, if you had read this thread and - indeed - taken the time to realize that you were not in .de anymore, then you'd realize that we were talking about whether to incorporate your rules into our weekly races.

As one of the largest databases of this type out there, there is an argument for keeping things simple and 'compatible', which would mean adopting your latest rule changes. The discussions that have then followed this are purely our opinion and how we want to run our competitions.

And, frankly, gtplanet ... the last time I looked ... is a place where we can discuss YOUR rule changes to YOUR site openly and freely; being told to "like and lump it or shove it", when we're not even discussing changing YOUR rules but OURS, is, to be honest, awfully crass and does not endear me to .de in any manner of speaking.

@WRS and my fellow racers, personally speaking, I think we at the WRS should keep our races clean and 'realistic' and we should NOT adopt the .de changes; the 'Ambassador' from .de has convinced me of that.

 

[bleurabbit7]

hi there,

Most of the Drivers don t even read the important things, so we decided to keep it tight for most of you. If you ve any Problems with the Database, the rules, blah ... feel free and build a new one. We re not in the mood to explain things over and over again. It should be easy for the stewards and the racers. Don t get me wrong but you can trust us, that we ll think about pro and contra before changing anything.

Regards,

Rod

I think this is a deciding factor, that people don't read. They read the rules once, maybe twice. They're not gonna keep going into it to look for rule changes. This is all the more reason to leave it as is.

My $.02

 

[Rod]

you ve to klick a button, that you ve read the rules in future. so things will be easier for us without the fact, "i ve missed that part or update"

for myself i m also not very happy about it, because i m more interested in doing serious laps, where i ll take care about my line. I was also into the PC mod scene a while and know what doing a fast clean lap means at all. The chance to cut there a corner oder cheating otherwise is a way smaller than in GT4. The point is, there are just a few who think like that and can deal with harder rules.

i give a rats ass on times in the local Database when i know, that there are some hotspots where others try to use that gap for a faster time. Even its within the certain rules. As i stated before, to keep things tight for most of you and me we did that step and have more time for doing laps by our own.

Of course i m not here as a GTP official but it s always sad to read stuff about your work on other boards, without asking the guys who brought that matter (rulechange) up.

we re happy that all GT4 players are interested in using our Database. We ve also an open ear for fresh input around in the scene. So if something is suspect or won t fit at all, feel free to drop me a line over at gt.de. It was not planned at all to stumble over at the planet. just risked a short look.

nuff said,

Rod

 

[Small_Fryz]

Thanks for taking the time to come and explain it Rod 👍

Its greatly appreciated

 

[Sphinx]

Hi Rod,

Thanks for taking the time out to come over here and ... well ... telling us to shove it. It's not normally my style, but I'm going to make a polite retort, if I may.

You see, if you had read this thread and - indeed - taken the time to realize that you were not in .de anymore, then you'd realize that we were talking about whether to incorporate your rules into our weekly races.

As one of the largest databases of this type out there, there is an argument for keeping things simple and 'compatible', which would mean adopting your latest rule changes. The discussions that have then followed this are purely our opinion and how we want to run our competitions.

And, frankly, gtplanet ... the last time I looked ... is a place where we can discuss YOUR rule changes to YOUR site openly and freely; being told to "like and lump it or shove it", when we're not even discussing changing YOUR rules but OURS, is, to be honest, awfully crass and does not endear me to .de in any manner of speaking.

@WRS and my fellow racers, personally speaking, I think we at the WRS should keep our races clean and 'realistic' and we should NOT adopt the .de changes; the 'Ambassador' from .de has convinced me of that.

Read back from the start of this thread and honestly ask yourself if you would be offened by certain comments made if it were you who spent endless hours, weeks, and months in help running the db for nothing other than serving the GT community . I know I would be. 👎 Clearly you don't know Rod very well, and have no idea how intertwined the GT forums are that make up the GT community, calling the changes 'crap' and 'stupid' etc, on this forum is no different than saying it at gt.de.

 

[the real 6c]

i have to say i wholeheartedly agree with Kolyana. Rod came in here and sounded offended and came off rude to me, when that whole group should see that CFM respects thier place in the GT community enough to debate a change to our rules. I don't know that is reason enough to abandon the idea of rule changes. I just think that CFM should do what is in the best intrest of GTPlanet or the WRS.

as for my opinion on the rule changes, I am not for driving wherever its paved or whatever. Its not right. That is not the course, and it shouldn't be raced upon. In real life those areas are there for safety. Racers dip tires off the track, they don't completely drive off a circuit or cut a paved areas on purpose every lap.

Just like with real racing, the rules of individual series or groups are left to those respective sactioning bodies. I respect CFM asking for our opinions and will respect any decision he makes.

 

[Small_Fryz]

i have to say i wholeheartedly agree with Kolyana. Rod came in here and sounded offended and came off rude to me, when that whole group should see that CFM respects thier place in the GT community enough to debate a change to thier rules. I don't know that is reason enough to abandon the idea of rule changes. I just think that CFM should do what is in the best intrest of GTPlanet or the WRS.

as for my opinion on the rule changes, I am not for driving wherever its paved or whatever. Its not right. That is not the course, and it shouldn't be raced upon. In real life those areas are there for safety. Racers dip tires off the track, they don't completely drive off a circuit or cut a paved areas on purpose every lap.

Just like with real racing, the rules of individual series or groups are left to those respective sactioning bodies. I respect CFM asking for our opinions and will respect any decision he makes.

read sphinx's post

Rod was explaining why he changed HIS rules, he made no comment on ours what so ever, you just got the wrong end of the stick. He was talking about HIS rules when he say take it or go away.

I agree with Sphinx.

 

[Kolyana]

It is not my intention to offend anyone and I suspect that a lot is lost in translation between languages; so, again, if I'm ruffling feathers I apologize. This is purely MY opinion in response to what *I* viewed as a slightly undiplomatic response from .de, and it is not intended to annoy any of my fellow racers, who I respect very deeply.

 

[Kolyana]

Read back from the start of this thread and honestly ask yourself if you would be offened by certain comments made if it were you who spent endless hours, weeks, and months in help running the db for nothing other than serving the GT community . I know I would be. 👎 Clearly you don't know Rod very well, and have no idea how intertwined the GT forums are that make up the GT community, calling the changes 'crap' and 'stupid' etc, on this forum is no different than saying it at gt.de.

@Sphinx ... no, I don't know Rod very well, but should all posts be made with the assumption that we all SHOULD know him? Is this not a touch arrogant (of a hypothetical individual) to walk around saying "hey, I'm going to say things however I like, because you should know me ... I'm famous!"

I don't know him, I only know what he posted and it just struck me as slightly ... off. First impressions are everything and this is my first impression of Rod.

 

[DRIVEN -USA-]

I'm actually new here but have seen enough to know -

The WRS has its own set of rules that it goes by and be used and should stay the same (why use someone else's rules)

The 1 lap times should be consistant w/ what is realistic in real life -sort of anyway (its a game).

The cobble stones were used to keep erosion from affecting the condition of the track where cars would go off.

CFM - Carbon Fiber Man as i heard it was saposed to mean - as the moderator and host of WRS has the ability to modify the rules for the track or race of the week.

As far as driving off course - um "restart"

 

[the real 6c]

small fryz i read sphinx's post, I understand the reasons behind why the rules were changed for that board. I had mistyped a word in my post that really alted my intent. I said we were discussing a change to thier rules....I meant to our rules. I am not mad at anybody. As siad in my post...any sactioning body has the right to change the rules for thier particular series. The other board has the right, as CFM also has the right to do what he chooses.

Sometimes I think i come off differently than I actually am. I know this post isn't totally relevant to the discussion, but i wanted to clarify for all to see.

 

[Mr P]

Seems like this debate will never end
Easy = GTP can keep the original rules and GT.de the new rules simple as that ... we all have choices to surf / race / submit where we please! ... talk about dragging it out

@ Rod I remember you also ... never knew you were so famous though hows it going man? any chance of an autograph?

I suspect the language barrier came into play which caused the reactions as I know your a decent guy 👍

don t forget, it s just a plain stupid game

Amen 👍

 

[Rod]

I suspect the language barrier came into play which caused the reactions as I know your a decent guy 👍

oh lord, its him, its p

Guten Tag Mr P & regards to kelly and the kids. I hope you still doing well. As i m just a louzy Kraut, i think you got the point mate. I not into the GTP Series. RL still keeps me busy...

All i ve seen was the topic "new rules" and the link to our Database. I know that we ve changed it, just wanted to see what other guys think about it. It s not my opinion at all but maybe the best solution.

now that Ron and Jerry are here, i can relax. We all have the same AIM and they know me since "ages" It will be a nice time again with GT4.

and yes i m rude. it s not easy to have just punks as friends who are talking english to you. maybe i should blame canada for it

 

[Mr P]

As i m just a louzy Kraut, i think you got the point mate.

I got the point mate np ... The Scottish never really have a problem understanding louzy Krauts 👍

 

[Rudi Raser]

hi @ all.

nice to see that not only we have a dicussion about the new rules @ gt.de.

Rod has said the most importend thinks. 👍

there was a long discussion in the Admin what to do. the old rules was simply, ****.

white line or curbs are the end of the track. hihihi
some attachments for example.


Comrade has checked many replays from Le Mans. was there one clean? white line. i know why there is no time from me in. to check the A8 times and many more will be also funny, i´m sure.

DF, Midfield and some more tracks is it not so nice. but in the end you can see that we have know the same rulez like by GT3. if you are not sure what is clean and what not. checked out and test it by the lizenz. is the same.

uups, jaja, my english.

see ya on track.

Rudi

 

[Rod]

I got the point mate np ... The Scottish never really have a problem understanding louzy Krauts 👍

LOL

 

[Sphinx]

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[Mojo Rising]

I think that the tracks should be raced the way they were made to. And any concrete on the other side of the turn markers or lines is NOT legal in real racing and should not be legal here. Who cares about making it easier on the drivers. If the designer of the coures wanted you to cut across stuff, he would have made the course that way. It seems like people will use any loophole they can to get fast times and they don't care what the boundries are.

I personally believe that the rule should be:

1. No tires may pass over lines or turn markers(rumble strips)

2. All four tires should be on track at all times.

3. all other standard rules still apply.

The boundries of the tracks are clear to me as laid out by the designer of the track, and should be observed by all racers as such. Cut and dry. No room for debate or "what if?" If it isn't apart of the track boundries then it's NOT Legal. I always see the "do you race clean?" sigs and it doesn't really mean clean to me. it just means clean to the lacks OLR rules that have become standards.

This is just my personal opinion. I hope I didn't p!$$ anyone off. bring on the flame throwers.