New Subaru Impreza?
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Well....VAG is selling crap here then. I mentioned the Vw R32 in perticular,because I work in a Vw service only.
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Yes of course it's not a bad design etc, but the quality "feeling" is not really on Audi/Mercedes/BMW niveau. Well it is enough for me though. I just wante dto say that the difference between a the Evo/STi and a R32 is not that big. So imo you can't really say : I bought the r32 because the interior is way superior, like you maybe could say in the case of the other three mentioned manufacturers.
And I mean oh well.. you know I never cut my hands with the plastic in my Subaru, the quality really is good enough for me. My father has a Mercedes E-class... better? yes, but I tell you something : my seats are really a perfect mix between comfort and sport. I have a momowheel, leather handbreak etc ... but as I said, I can also understand that some people want more, but maybe not a VW interior and Subaru is not that bad imo. I'm perfectly happy...
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I don't know why so many Germans seem to have a problem with Volkswagens, it is almost the exact opposite here in the United States. By comparison, Volkswagens are luxury cars in the classes that they compete in. There are far greater ammounts of refinement, civility, and general engineering quality.
...Relyability is debateable, but every VW my family and I have owned have for the most part been trouble free. Electronic ghosts were a problem with my '93 Fox, and the '99 Beetle had a few issues with the driver's side window (nothing that was not covered under the warranty).
I've spent time in a R32, in an STi, and in an Evo VIII and IMO, the VW was a far superior product. I look at it this way. If I'm going to spend $30K on a brand new sport sedan (R32 Coupe here in the US), I want my $30K to be applied to not only the high performance bits and pieces, but the interior as well. Of course the leather, moonroof, etc. are all available on the STi and Evo MR, but both are a bit north of the price of the R32 with those options.
Performance wise, I could care less if the R32 doesnt do quite as well. As I had mentioned before, the R32 is a much-more grown-up car compared to the STi and Evo, with a more civilized engine, transmission, suspension, interior, etc. It isn't a rally-bred sports car like the other two, and it won't make any concessions for doing so.
I've had my expiriences with all three, and my opinion stands. Here in the US things might be different, I don't know. We have yet to recieve the MKV R32 here in the United States, but it has been tested by the assorted automagazines, and their positive opinion of the model still stands nearly three years since the last graced our shores (we only had the R32 in 2004).
"Skyline Crap": Yeah, I said it and I have been saying it for years. Too many people like it just because it is a good car in Gran Turismo and base all of their opinions of the car off of the game. I'll give it credit for being a decently fast car in comparison to others in it's class at the time, but by today's standards it has been outclassed by so many cars that are far cheaper. The new R35 might be a great car, but I don't think it is going to be the "Godzilla" that the press is making it out to be. It will still have to face off with the Corvette, Viper, Porsche 911 and Cayman, along with the Exige and M3. That is seriously tough competition, and with the suggested MSRP in the US reportedly starting north of $70,000.... Well, time will tell... We have to wait untill callendar year 2008 here in the US, so we will see what happens...
...Relyability is debateable, but every VW my family and I have owned have for the most part been trouble free. Electronic ghosts were a problem with my '93 Fox, and the '99 Beetle had a few issues with the driver's side window (nothing that was not covered under the warranty).
I've spent time in a R32, in an STi, and in an Evo VIII and IMO, the VW was a far superior product. I look at it this way. If I'm going to spend $30K on a brand new sport sedan (R32 Coupe here in the US), I want my $30K to be applied to not only the high performance bits and pieces, but the interior as well. Of course the leather, moonroof, etc. are all available on the STi and Evo MR, but both are a bit north of the price of the R32 with those options.
Performance wise, I could care less if the R32 doesnt do quite as well. As I had mentioned before, the R32 is a much-more grown-up car compared to the STi and Evo, with a more civilized engine, transmission, suspension, interior, etc. It isn't a rally-bred sports car like the other two, and it won't make any concessions for doing so.
I've had my expiriences with all three, and my opinion stands. Here in the US things might be different, I don't know. We have yet to recieve the MKV R32 here in the United States, but it has been tested by the assorted automagazines, and their positive opinion of the model still stands nearly three years since the last graced our shores (we only had the R32 in 2004).
"Skyline Crap": Yeah, I said it and I have been saying it for years. Too many people like it just because it is a good car in Gran Turismo and base all of their opinions of the car off of the game. I'll give it credit for being a decently fast car in comparison to others in it's class at the time, but by today's standards it has been outclassed by so many cars that are far cheaper. The new R35 might be a great car, but I don't think it is going to be the "Godzilla" that the press is making it out to be. It will still have to face off with the Corvette, Viper, Porsche 911 and Cayman, along with the Exige and M3. That is seriously tough competition, and with the suggested MSRP in the US reportedly starting north of $70,000.... Well, time will tell... We have to wait untill callendar year 2008 here in the US, so we will see what happens...
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American VW's will have problems, they are built in Mexico and Brazil, European VW's are built in Germany, so they are different. I'm not one to stand up for a German car company or even agree with Poverty but really they aren't terriable cars, the R32 especially.
If you have 3 R32's in your neighborhood you must live in Europe and it must be a really rich neighborhood. In the states we got very few R32's, I think I've seen 2 and they were both at the VAG headquaters in Auburn Hills, MI.
If you have 3 R32's in your neighborhood you must live in Europe and it must be a really rich neighborhood. In the states we got very few R32's, I think I've seen 2 and they were both at the VAG headquaters in Auburn Hills, MI.
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No S***,Blazin!(About me living in europe)
Except I have to correct my self about having 3 R32 in the neigborhood.
I meant Town,City,ect-you see,English isn't my native language,and I tend to forget the exact translation of certain words.
And no,I'm not making an lame excuse or something.If you think I am well just call me an stupid idiot or whatever.Won't be the first time-overhere where i live-VW's have a special status.most people drive them,and the quality of VW cars,and of the other in VAG group is considered the best of the best. and when you point out the weaknesses of VAG cars,together with plausible arguments,you get either:
Flamed-on message boards.
Or get hit from crowbar by a insane VAG fanboy.
Except I have to correct my self about having 3 R32 in the neigborhood.
I meant Town,City,ect-you see,English isn't my native language,and I tend to forget the exact translation of certain words.
And no,I'm not making an lame excuse or something.If you think I am well just call me an stupid idiot or whatever.Won't be the first time-overhere where i live-VW's have a special status.most people drive them,and the quality of VW cars,and of the other in VAG group is considered the best of the best. and when you point out the weaknesses of VAG cars,together with plausible arguments,you get either:
Flamed-on message boards.
Or get hit from crowbar by a insane VAG fanboy.
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- JMarine25
The new-look front grill has grown on me to a point where I'm more fond of it. This design here looks more like Subaru meets early 1990's Mazda RX-7 with a large deck-type spoiler. Suburu... GO BACK TO THE 2003 DESIGN! Obviously the airplane thing isn't making me like the new designs any more. Hell, I'd go into the aftermarket and try to fit a 2003 Impreza front end to it and burn the latest frontal designs. That alone won't save this model YSSMAN posted in Post #1. The hatchback look is better left for hatchback rally cars like the late 206 WRC and the Ford Focus RS (which America doesn't get).
This is a styling faux pas for Subaru. Perhaps even a farce. If this ends up being the next Subaru Impreza, then somebody needs to be fired on Subaru's design staff while they recruit for better designers. That's even if they have to go to someplace like the Art Institute of San Francisco or someplace.
I'll reserve my judgment until the next Subaru Impreza design rolls around. But for this thing, I'm giving this thing 38% approval. Somebody may need to be fired from Subaru's design staff. But this all began with the B9 Tribeca. And if you think BMW's have looked like crap as of late, then Subaru isn't any better off.
This is a styling faux pas for Subaru. Perhaps even a farce. If this ends up being the next Subaru Impreza, then somebody needs to be fired on Subaru's design staff while they recruit for better designers. That's even if they have to go to someplace like the Art Institute of San Francisco or someplace.
I'll reserve my judgment until the next Subaru Impreza design rolls around. But for this thing, I'm giving this thing 38% approval. Somebody may need to be fired from Subaru's design staff. But this all began with the B9 Tribeca. And if you think BMW's have looked like crap as of late, then Subaru isn't any better off.
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Considering you have no location listed I can only assume where you live. But really euro spec VW's are much better then American spec VW's, I've been told they are actually quite good cars in Europe despite what you have to say. Like I said I hate agreeing with Poverty but I'm going to make an acception in this case.
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Yes, I would agree. Unfortunately for Subaru they feel a need to tie their design to the fact that they used to build airplanes... Why not honor that with a logo like Mercedes or BMW? (J/K)
As I had said in another thread, the styling idea worked well on the B119 and B9 Scrambler concepts... But in production with the new Impreza and B9 Tribeca, not as much...
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yeah, thats what i think. i never liked the new grills...ugly.
but i like the look of the car if they were to just change the grill
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In time they will improve upon this grille but I can definately say they should have just stuck with the orignal MY06 Liberty (Legacy) headlights and not thrown it on the MY06 with a handful of changes, then it would of looked fantastic.
I must admit though this new design looks a lot better than the current Impreza but that design is never going to look like the new one as Subaru have already stated that they will be fully redesigning the Impreza in terms of Styling
I must admit though this new design looks a lot better than the current Impreza but that design is never going to look like the new one as Subaru have already stated that they will be fully redesigning the Impreza in terms of Styling
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ugh... i despise this thing. the version 8 (i guess) was beautifull! why did they have to change it so fast. one thing i do like though (well, from a performance standpoint) is the 2-door hatch style body, which is naturaly lighter than a sedan or coupe. As has already been said this body style is what alot of companies are going to for the wrc simply because it's faster. but the impreza has always had a trunk. It's sedan roots are a part of it's heritage. changing that is taking a big step. but in the intrest of wrc dominance it's a great move thats long overdue.
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Yep, Subaru has begun their focus on Hatchbacks:tup:
"In an effort to move the Impreza to appeal more to family types, Subaru is taking its Impreza and turning it into a 'daring' hatchback. Or at least UK pub Auto Express says so, which doesn't completely rule out a sedan model for the U.S. market. Of course, with the sudden bumper crop of foreign-badged three-and-five doors available in North America (Volkswagen GTI, Audi A3, MINI Cooper, the soon-to-be Volvo S40, etc.), we wouldn't count on it. According to AE, the next Impreza is expected to debut at the 2007 Tokyo Motor Show, with lower-rung Imprezas looking to convert buyers of the Ford Focus and Volkswagen Golf/Rabbit (which we thought was the M.O. all along, no?).
For diehard Subie fans, rest assured that the automaker still plans on an STi putting out over 300 horsepower to balance the enthusiast's books."
[Source: Auto Express]
"In an effort to move the Impreza to appeal more to family types, Subaru is taking its Impreza and turning it into a 'daring' hatchback. Or at least UK pub Auto Express says so, which doesn't completely rule out a sedan model for the U.S. market. Of course, with the sudden bumper crop of foreign-badged three-and-five doors available in North America (Volkswagen GTI, Audi A3, MINI Cooper, the soon-to-be Volvo S40, etc.), we wouldn't count on it. According to AE, the next Impreza is expected to debut at the 2007 Tokyo Motor Show, with lower-rung Imprezas looking to convert buyers of the Ford Focus and Volkswagen Golf/Rabbit (which we thought was the M.O. all along, no?).
For diehard Subie fans, rest assured that the automaker still plans on an STi putting out over 300 horsepower to balance the enthusiast's books."
[Source: Auto Express]
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i have that mag, its old. they said that it would be cheaper to make, so more poeple will buy it to the Evo X beacuse it's cheaper and faster because its more nimble. I also believe that its going to have 400bhp i believe, but i'm quite sure, but i bet soemone will prove me wrong!
