NEW User in a reasonably priced car: Ideas please

[Ev0 4 drifter]

So if I am to resurrect this challenge I want to know what YOU want from it, in terms of categories and cars.

I'm thinking of using the 88' Accord from the 80's used car showroom for the main challenge at Tsukuba (sp?)

Would you like to do new cars aswell? both FF and RWD used and new classes (i.e brand new 106 rallye or used starlet glanza for ff or new mustang gt and used skyline gtst)

 

[slowman]

Cool, someone made a new one.

Well, first we need to determine what is "reasonably priced". I don't think we should always stick with FF either. I would go so far as to say that anything less than $9999 can be called "reasonably priced" without losing the spirit of this event.

Its not like that'll buy a Pagani or anything.

 

[Ev0 4 drifter]

I was going to suggest anything purchased for under 10k, then mandatory oil change and roll cage, NO OTHER MODS ALLOWED!!

So far we have:
Under 10k
Oil change mandatory
Roll cage mandatory
R2 tyres only
Tskuba circuit

 

[Fluke]

photo conformation of the time aswell so somebody doesnt come along and get a time 0.5 seconds faster than the best without being disputed.

my car:

Nissan SKYLINE GTS-t Type M '91 (in lovely white)

Cr. 9,313

FR

212BHP
1260KG

Roll cage and Oil change.

*update*

0-60 5.9 secs.

Tsukuba lap time, clean = 1'04.546

 

[jwane]

I think it would be better if we stuck to just one car.

That way it will be more about the drivers talent rather than the car we use.

And photo conformation of the time aswell so somebody doesnt come along and get a time 0.5 seconds faster than the best without being disputed.

If we stick to just one car, how about the MX-5 J-Limited or V-Special from '93? It's easy to find one or both on the lot.

 

[Fluke]

actually i did change that, i think using our own isnt a bad idea overall.

But i feel we should say no impreza's, theyre in the early 90's car lot with about 260bhp for only 8-9000Cr's. It would not be fair if we toiled away at our motors and some unskilled noob comes along and puts a thread closing time because he had 300bhp on tap.

 

[slowman]

Exactly... see this is why we need to pick only one car. Using Skyline GTS-T's sort of skirts by the original intention behind Top Gear's "Star in a reasonably priced car".

The idea here is to thrash an econobox around a track as quickly as possible. I still stick by using the Carina ED or '88 Accord, as they are closest to Top Gear's current Chevrolet Lacetti. This whole thing is starting to look like Grassroots Motorsports $2008 challenge than anything else.

Carina ED
oil change
rollcage
N3 tires
Tsukuba Forward Dry
no lap limit
transmission of choice
controller of choice

 

[Fluke]

okay, ill get shot of the skyline and buy a carina aswell. Only the Carina or 88' accord then, sounds alot more like it.

*edit*

Toyota CARINA ED 2.0 X 4WS '89

FF - 123bhp - 1200kg - rolcage - oil change

Tsukuba - dry - forward - no aids.

1'1X.515

 

[slowman]

What tires did we decide to go with?

I vote for N3's but hey, this whole series wasn't my idea. I do believe N3's would be most representative of Top Gear's idea as I don't think the tires on their Lacetti are even reasonably close to sporty.

 

[Austin343]

I would vote N3s all the way, too. 👍

 

[Fluke]

im sure the lacetti's tires are the most basic of sport tyre types. So N3's are good.

Thats my time up there ^^^ the 'X' is there so that somebody doesnt come along, see my time, not even bother to do a lap and make theirs half a second quicker than mine, ill post the missing number and picture conformation when the times start flowing in. I know its paranoid, but this way theres no cheating so theres no time-based debates ruining another good challenge based thread.

 

[Kurei]

If this starts up again, it need's to be in the spirit of Top gear's version

1 reasonably priced car, with fresh oil and a cage, rolling on street tires, nothing else.

1 track, Tsukuba sounds fine, but I think adding in the motorcycle chicane for 1 full lap would throw an interesting quirk into everything (once you've driven it so many times, you get sick of it and need to throw something new into it)

and picture validation is a good idea as well 👍

 

[Fluke]

Actually i dont think Tsukuba's a good idea, something that feels alot more like the TG test track, maybe something a tad longer, maybe one of the fuji's?

 

[Kurei]

Fuji seems kinda long for this sort of thing

What about Suzuka West ?, it's got all sorts of challenging corners, it's kinda lengthy, and it has a chicane that can be thrown in too if people want 💡

 

[Popeye]

I'll throw in Motorland. Hows that for a track. Not too long?
Good idea. Will try it when I get back from work. But that'll be in a months time

 

[Fluke]

well autumn ring mini is short, which is the whole point, and simple, which makes it better for close competition.

 

[Peterram430]

Well, the Top Gear Test Track is 1.75 miles long and has 9 corners. Although it's not the closest in length I think Suzuka West circuit is the closest representation

 

[Ev0 4 drifter]

Right, sorry for being away, had a tyre inner tube failure the other day and havent been able to get to internet (limped home with a heavily duck taped up inner tube and some tyre weld =/ last night and was incredibly tired)

I like the idea of using the tyres the car comes equipped with, but if you guys feel it would be more competitive with N3's then i'll go with that. As for car's I want to try and get as close to Top gears actual car as possible, so I think the '88 Accord should be used for the main challenge as it were. Is there any interest in doing other classes? (i.e FR and MR) How about a real challenge? Same conditions, only the car is a Volvo 240GLT?

 

[Austin343]

I'm really fine using any car(s) on any track(s). I definitely want the N3's though; the issue is what most closely represents the tires Top Gear used, and S2s are way grippier than those.

 

[Popeye]

Well, what if we ask a mod who will not participate to set the track and car? Just a thought? THen that should stop people saying I hate that track or hmm should have been this car or that one? Like I say just a thought.

 

[Fluke]

certain people may hate the track and/or car we use no matter who picks it.

I say we should have set rules and a set track. No discussion. No argument. And they should be set by evo4drifter cos its his thread. His idea. His challenge.

Over to you evo

 

[MadMax]

I'd like to see multiple categories for entrys in the 10k credit cost limit.
I prefer stock tires which cars come with.
The track is up to Ev0 4 drifter to choose. A track with elevation would be nice
Also would be good to have very strict rules about car setups. Sutsh as these in my Sarthe1 Arcade Challenge topic
The entry could require splits and/or photo where can be seen the car used, power, weight and tyres.
There could be also Car Classes sutch as in GT1 Arcade mode.
Also it might be useful to have a list of cars that fit to the 10k Credit range specified with their Class.

A-Class for over 250 BHP cars
B-Class for over 150 BHP cars
C-Class for under 150 BHP cars

so there would be

A-Class
FR
FF
MR
RR
4WD

B-Class
FR
FF
MR
RR
4WD

C-Class
FR
FF
MR
RR
4WD

There might be something to add here, but this is it for now.

 

[Fluke]

too many classes, your talking about 15 different types, lets just have A class B class and C class, just like in arcade mode, regardless of drivetrain, in stock form, B class for instance is going to be highly competitive as it is, 4wd and rwd AND FF going head to head is great.

 

[arthurtwp]

this MAY come across as being an entirely noob question. but on the topic of roll cage? is it really that crucial? i have not had them in any of my cars.? so am jus wondering if in defining stock, a roll cage is required. haha i agree with the oil change though. hmms for me.? i vote rx7 infini III. FR, turbo charged.

Engine Type: Rotor2:Rotary
Displacement: 654x2cc
Power: 189hp/6500rpm
Torque: 182.70ft.lb/4000rpm
Dimentions: 4310x1690x1270
Weight: 1200kg
Pwr/Wgt ratio: 6.272
Drivetrain: FR

*quoting gtplanet database

 

[Fluke]

this MAY come across as being an entirely noob question. but on the topic of roll cage? is it really that crucial? i have not had them in any of my cars.? so am jus wondering if in defining stock, a roll cage is required. haha i agree with the oil change though. hmms for me.? i vote rx7 infini III. FR, turbo charged.

Engine Type: Rotor2:Rotary
Displacement: 654x2cc
Power: 189hp/6500rpm
Torque: 182.70ft.lb/4000rpm
Dimentions: 4310x1690x1270
Weight: 1200kg
Pwr/Wgt ratio: 6.272
Drivetrain: FR

*quoting gtplanet database

Well firstly, read the title, i dont think an RX7 is going to fit in with this sort of challenge.

Secondly, wether its crucial or not, its one of the rules, so you do have to follow it, it does make a difference to the car, especially used cars, which is what we will be using, it makes the chassis stiffer as it loses stiffness over time. its not optional in this challenge, so yes, you do have to use it im afriad👍 and the top gears reasonably priced car has one, so its only fitting, which is why were also using N tyres.

 

[Ev0 4 drifter]

Just been reading the replies since I went to bed last night. N3 tyres seem to be a fair choice, like some members have already commented Top Gear hardly use a sporty car XD I was hoping to have different classes, A, B and C, having all the different drivetrains in each class would mean 15 different tables of results, which to be honest is too many. I think the track should be Tskuba, because it offers the option of running wet times (like Top Gear does) so how about:
Class 1 - '88 Accord at Tskuba
Class 2 - '88 Accord at Tskuba WET
Class 3 - Any car UNDER 150bhp at Tskuba
Class 4 - Cars between 151bhp and 250bhp at Tskuba
Class 5 - Cars OVER 251bhp at Tskuba

RULES
NO modifications to the car EXCEPT roll cage.
N3 tyres (theyre free, so no excuses for not having them)
Oil change is MANDATORY
Car must cost less than 10k, roll cage is 30k and MUST be fitted
NO 6.2mi/10km specials, they have chassis rigidity tuning whereas the other used cars don't
To be able to submit times in Classes 2 -5 you MUST submit a time for Class 1, the others are completely optional however


In the interest of fairness, please PM me your times, telling me the car and the time. After the first few times have come in I will post them up

 

[Austin343]

Looks good! 👍 I'll get a time in for at least three classes tonight.

 

[Wolfe]

When I saw the topic of the thread I thought maybe you guys were going to have interviews of GTPlanet members and then follow up with their lap, like on the show and kinda like our old member of the week threads. That would require more effort, but would be a neat idea, IMO.

 

[Austin343]

Ev0 4 drifter, I should probably ask, so I don't waste time running the wrong car, is the HP cap for each category before or after the oil change? That is, is it okay to choose a car with, say, 246 HP before the change and 268 after, or do I need to choose a car that has, say, 223 HP before to end up at 247? I've been doing the latter, but I hope it isn't all for naught. Also, I must say, there are not too many 200+ HP cars for under 10,000 Cr. Maybe you could increase the cap for the 251+ HP category to 15,000 or 20,000?

 

[MadMax]

Ev0 4 drifter, I should probably ask, so I don't waste time running the wrong car, is the HP cap for each category before or after the oil change? That is, is it okay to choose a car with, say, 246 HP before the change and 268 after, or do I need to choose a car that has, say, 223 HP before to end up at 247? I've been doing the latter, but I hope it isn't all for naught. Also, I must say, there are not too many 200+ HP cars for under 10,000 Cr. Maybe you could increase the cap for the 251+ HP category to 15,000 or 20,000?

Actually there are about 10-25 200+ HP cars under 10k
I've been alredy doing this so that the cars get categorised by HP figures after oil change.

In many spot races in previous GT's we've used the Garage HP values to divide the cars used.

And.. what would the point be in saying that the car has 246 when it actually has more.
This isn't a gentlemans club where all say that the cars have egual HP figures

I'd like to also know Ev0 4 drifter's opinion about using driving aids.
They can give you some advantage that the others don't use.

To add here, I don't use them in any of this challenge.

Hey Austin343 have you alredy taken the MR-2 GTS out for a spin? (Alot Fun Fun)