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After signing a 10-year contract worth some $130 million just three years ago, Atlanta Falcon's quarterback Michael Vick now faces up to five years in jail for his part in a dog fighting ring. Article...
Prosecutors said the dogs sometimes fought to the death and underperforming animals had been shot, drowned, hanged, electrocuted or killed by being slammed to the ground.
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No fear. Haven't eaten at McDonalds for as long as I can remember.
 
Kylehnat
Remember when we thought Marcus Vick was the evil brother?
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Honestly, looking at the behaviors these two exihibt I wonder if there isn't a hint of sociopathic tendancies in the family. One guy loves stomping other players on the field, without care of harming them while the other has no problem basically torturing and killing animals for absolutely no reason, except maybe pleasure or out of anger.

If these were kids they would be in to see a child psychologist and put on drugs by now.

Keichi Tsuchiya
...Then you go order a big Mac...💡:dopey::ill::dunce:👍
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I fail to see how it is the same. One is an animal killed out of cruelty and the other is me paying a guy that paid a guy that paid a guy to kill an animal for food.

And the last I checked cattle weren't being beaten, drown, hanged, or electrocuted. I have seen how they are killed and while it still isn't pretty to watch it isn't a brutality issue. They die fairly quickly.





Of course, I will save the animal cruelty/rights issue, even when talking about dog fighting and other friendly animals, to the more articulate of the Libertarian minded community.
 
FoolKiller
Honestly, looking at the behaviors these two exihibt I wonder if there isn't a hint of sociopathic tendancies in the family. One guy loves stomping other players on the field, without care of harming them while the other has no problem basically torturing and killing animals for absolutely no reason, except maybe pleasure or out of anger.

If these were kids they would be in to see a child psychologist and put on drugs by now.


I fail to see how it is the same. One is an animal killed out of cruelty and the other is me paying a guy that paid a guy that paid a guy to kill an animal for food.

And the last I checked cattle weren't being beaten, drown, hanged, or electrocuted. I have seen how they are killed and while it still isn't pretty to watch it isn't a brutality issue. They die fairly quickly.





Of course, I will save the animal cruelty/rights issue, even when talking about dog fighting and other friendly animals, to the more articulate of the Libertarian minded community.
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What I say is that its more viewpoint than anything else. You paying a guy to pay a guy to pay a guy to kill an animal for food is still you paying a guy to pay guy to pay a guy to kill an animal. For food. Its not you paying a guy to pay a guy to pay a guy to get you lunch. In other places Harming cattle is sacrilegious while Dogs are next to worthless.
 
I really like dogs. I do. But it's fine for people to fight but it's not OK for animals to fight? Seriously, that's so stupid. "Well, they don't have a choice!" Of course not, it's a dog, it's an animal. I don't condone Mike Vick's actions in anyway/shape/form. However, I don't think he should be put in jail for years for killing dogs.
 
I doubt whether abbatoir workers enjoy killing animals quickly. It's a job.

What we have here are people killing for pleasure, finding enjoyment in the brutality of another living creature. Whatever you might think, psychologically, a dog is a short step from a human being - man, woman, or child.

We could bounce off the walls coming up with different viewpoints for this one, but I still think the guy is scum.
 
Venari
I doubt whether abbatoir workers enjoy killing animals quickly. It's a job.

What we have here are people killing for pleasure, finding enjoyment in the brutality of another living creature.

We could bounce off the walls coming up with different viewpoints for this one, but I still think the guy is scum.
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Hmm, so from your viewpoint he's scum for taking pleasure in brutality of another living creature. So, what do you think his punishment should be?
 
Well, from the formal side of it, whatever the law dictates it should be. In this case, that's five years in jail.

However, I hope that he'll never be able to play football again. Or get advertising kickbacks. Or any sort of celebrity work, ever.
 
Keichi Tsuchiya
What I say is that its more viewpoint than anything else. You paying a guy to pay a guy to pay a guy to kill an animal for food is still you payng a guy to pay guy to pay a guy to kill an animal. For food. Its not you paying a guy to pay a guy to pay a guy to get you lunch. In other places Harming cattle is sacrilegious while Dogs are next to worthless.
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You have a long road ahead if you hope to convince me that killing an animal for food is the same as doing it with my bare hands for pleasure. I grew up in a farming community. While I have never slaughtered an animal personally I have seen it done and know how to do it (although it won't be very neat). I don't cruise by a cattle farm and see a bunch of poor mistreated animals, I see food. There are some very sharp teeth in my mouth that just seem to have the natural ability to tear through meat.

Now if I see a guy grab a dog and slam it into the ground, hook it in a noose, hold it under water, or hit it with an electrical cable while he is either enraged or laughing I see a sick man.

Swift
Hmm, so from your viewpoint he's scum for taking pleasure in brutality of another living creature. So, what do you think his punishment should be?
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I don't know if he is scum, but the man has issues to take pleasure in doing that to an animal.

Like you, I don't see the big deal with dog fighting, but I don't see the joy in it either. It is a pure sport of brutality and ranks fairly low in my book.


Now, watching humans fighting in something like boxing or martial arts is more of a match of skill and the goal is not death.
 
Venari
Well, from the formal side of it, whatever the law dictates it should be. In this case, that's five years in jail.

However, I hope that he'll never be able to play football again. Or get advertising kickbacks. Or any sort of celebrity work, ever.
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The marketing side will take car of itself. No shoe/clothing/soft drink companies want a dog brutilizer as their spokes person.



EWillis
What do you think his punishment should be?
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I really don't think he should go to jail. But that's in a much more perfect system. :)

FoolKiller
Like you, I don't see the big deal with dog fighting, but I don't see the joy in it either. It is a pure sport of brutality and ranks fairly low in my book.

Now, watching humans fighting in something like boxing or martial arts is more of a match of skill and the goal is not death.
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Well, unless it's good old "Bloodsport" :D I agree that it's more fun for m me as well, however, just because we like something better then another person doesn't make it "right or "wrong" (as I know you already get, just making a general statement.)
 
Pardon the hyperbole, but I suspect there are very few people here who would consider laughing while electrocuting a dog on the 'right' side of the perfect greyscale that is right versus wrong.
 
Venari
Pardon the hyperbole, but I suspect there are very few people here who would consider laughing while electrocuting a dog on the 'right' side of the perfect greyscale that is right versus wrong.
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Personally, I agree. As far a criminal matter. I don't think it should even be an issue. There are religions where people sacrifice animals in similar ways and they still get to practice under the first amendment. Why isn't this considered the same?
 
Let's not forget that Mr. Vick was the head/financier of a illegal gambling ring focused on an illegal "sport". There is more to this than animal brutality.
 
Swift
Personally, I agree. As far a criminal matter. I don't think it should even be an issue. There are religions where people sacrifice animals in similar ways and they still get to practice under the first amendment. Why isn't this considered the same?
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I don't think people in those religions kill dogs in sadistic ways like drowning, throwing it down to the ground, electrocution, or hanging... and then get personal gratification for it. I could be wrong, though.
 
EWillis
I don't think people in those religions kill dogs in sadistic ways like drowning, throwing it down to the ground, electrocution, or hanging... and then get personal gratification for it. I could be wrong, though.
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I don't think so. But I do know that there are sacrifices that "must" be done of goats and other livestock that is done by cutting open the belly and the like.

Again, I'm not condoning the action. I'm just trying to see the difference.
 
I think it's a seriously disproportionate punishment and I'm quite shocked out how outraged people have gotten about what he's done.

They're dogs people. Kobe Bryant was accused of rape a few years back and people defended him. One of the NFL players was suspended for 5 games (or so) for stomping on a dude's head with metal cleats (attempted murder???). But Vick is invovled in dogfighting and for some reason people have simply had enough.

It makes no sense to me.

(for the record, I'm a dog lover. Check the cats vs. dogs thread)
 
Danoff
It makes no sense to me.
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While I personally think actual jail time is disproportionate of the crime (the fact that he will never play football again or get any post-career opportunities is enough, in my opinion), perhaps its the sadism displayed during dog fighting?
And, as Kylehnat said, there is much more to it than animal brutality.
 
Well, I like dogs too. I also think human beings are pretty special too, so if this other guy was accused of rape, was he guilty and did he get what he deserved? How about this head stamper?
 
Toronado
And, as Kylehnat said, there is much more to it than animal brutality.
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The gambling part. Yeah, that's illegal as well. Shouldn't be really, but it is. If betting on which dog will be killed first is your "thing" then that's on you. Just don't ask me to support it with tax dollars. :)
 
Venari
Well, I like dogs too. I also think human beings are pretty special too, so if this other guy was accused of rape, was he guilty and did he get what he deserved? How about this head stamper?
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Kobe had good lawyers and the girl who accused him turned out to be a really poor witness - he got off (who knows whether he was really guilty, but the response was to defend him). The other guy I think didn't have any criminal charges brought against him (tricky situation really). But he got a 5 game suspension or something to that effect. Slap on the wrist really.
 
Danoff
Kobe had good lawyers and the girl who accused him turned out to be a really poor witness - he got off (who knows whether he was really guilty, but the response was to defend him). The other guy I think didn't have any criminal charges brought against him (tricky situation really). But he got a 5 game suspension or something to that effect. Slap on the wrist really.
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Wouldn't it be different in this case because it is known for a fact that it was done?
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Toronado
Wouldn't it be different in this case because it is known for a fact that it was done?
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Not different than the guy that stepped on the other dude. That was caught on video. He assaulted another human being with what could potentially be a deadly weapon DURING A GAME on television - and the NFL allowed him to play again that same season. It barely even made the news.

Dogs are killed every day. These were killed in less humane ways, but I don't think it ranks up there with attacking another human being from a criminal punishment/remove-him-from-society point of view.
 

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