NissanskylineN1's Build - Case Mod Finished..for now

I wouldn't say they're too much, but.. If you're building a computer for yourself, you shouldn't skimp on parts. Someone else's computer? Go for it. Use the cheaper stuff.

You suggested a fan controller for him, when if you had given him a better selection of fans to choose from, he wouldn't even need a controller.

The fan I suggested a few pages ago, has a built in speed knob, and moves 50cfm at around 16db. You shrugged it off as it was "too expensive"
 
I did but at the time I did not have the time to heavily research on a good fan. Plus he was limited to TD for his fan selection.

nick09
Edit: This fan would be a nice balance between good airflow and noise even if you were to use just one.
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I shrugged it off because I would not spend $20 for one fan(Sure there is a fan controller but why would you need it for a fan that produces 16DBa?). My suggestion was a cheaper fan that pushed more air. Why speed money on a premium product when you can save some money and get the same or better results from a cheaper product?
 
If you have to buy a fan controller to bring noise levels down, then you might as well have bought the more expensive fan with a speed knob built in.
 
I could not help it. He could only buy locally from a TD store and what he does with those fans is his decision not mine or yours. By the way, the fans I suggested only produce 24DBa. You can't hear that in a normal environment unless you run the PC in your bedroom at night.
 
Instead of insulting Nick09, how about taking shame upon yourselves? If you guys KNEW something wouldn't have been right, why didn't you speak up?. I actually think Nick09 is someone who deserves respect in this thread because Roaddogg and him were the only ones who helped pick the parts. . Anyways, I am happy with my parts and I thank Nick09 and Roaddogg for helping me pick out parts, especially the PSU and the Case, as they are great. They both also helped me cut down the cost of the build to less than $700 in total.

As for the CPU temp, I am competent enough to put on paste on my own, I've done a couple builds and rebuilds before this rig, so calling me incompetent is anything but true.
 
I actually a ton of premade builds for all price ranges. However you seemed to have everything you wanted so I chose not to post them.

Also, if you didn't know that your processor ran that hot to begin with, I question your competence.
 
nick09
The three pin connector is still 12 volts or 5 volts depending on what the fan takes. There is also no fan control for the motherboard with three pin fans. You need the four pin fan connector as shown in that link to control fan speed from the motherboard(It's what fan controllers do too of course).
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Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but you don't need a 4-Pin connector for fan controllers.

As for input onto the temperatures, 85C on Prime95 using the stock cooler isn't that bad, yes it's slightly high, but you won't get anywhere near that heat in day to day work.

Rather than doing benchmarks that are designed to give you high temps, check the temps for the things that you will actually be using for PC for.
 
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NissanSkylineN1
Instead of insulting Nick09, how about taking shame upon yourselves? If you guys KNEW something wouldn't have been right, why didn't you speak up?. I actually think Nick09 is someone who deserves respect in this thread because Roaddogg and him were the only ones who helped pick the parts.
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Because it seemed like you cared about the wrong thing every time, and didn't pay any attention to anything I suggested anyhow, so why would I bother? Nick09 makes a ton of suggestions in this sub-forum that are honestly bad, and I've gotten tired of saying anything else because he just kind of drops data and numbers and such.

FYI, I've been putting together computers longer than he has been alive. So take that into consideration.
 
Casio
Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but you don't need a 4-Pin connector for fan controllers.
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Yeah I should of worded it better. I meant the four pin only for motherboards and the three pin for the fan controllers.

FYI, I've been putting together computers longer than he has been alive. So take that into consideration.
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Is that a attitude for a professional? Calling someone incompetent would also tell a client that you are not meant for the job. Sure I only have three years of experience with computers and my A+ but that does not mean I can't have have the same knowledge or more. Putting computers together was a small part of my curriculum. I learned most of my skills from experience.
 
Azuremen
Because it seemed like you cared about the wrong thing every time, and didn't pay any attention to anything I suggested anyhow, so why would I bother? Nick09 makes a ton of suggestions in this sub-forum that are honestly bad, and I've gotten tired of saying anything else because he just kind of drops data and numbers and such.

FYI, I've been putting together computers longer than he has been alive. So take that into consideration.
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Take a look at the first page. Do you see any recommendations by yourself?

bergauk
Also, if you didn't know that your processor ran that hot to begin with, I question your competence.
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I hope you know that 85 is only 13 degress from the CPU's TJmax.
 
NissanSkylineN1
I hope you know that 85 is only 13 degress from the CPU's TJmax.
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Tcase max yes?

I still haven't figured out what that actually means. Other than it seems like some kind of recommendation for optimal temperature to not go over or something.



Now, was the room hot and did you put on too much paste?
 
nick09
Is that a attitude for a professional? Calling someone incompetent would also tell a client that you are not meant for the job. Sure I only have three years of experience with computers and my A+ but that does not mean I can't have have the same knowledge or more. Putting computers together was a small part of my curriculum. I learned most of my skills from experience.
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And despite your A+, you can't seem to grasp that throwing out all the numbers you do to someone who is new to this is meaningless. It is like when a "car guy" talks about how he has a Borla exhaust and a x degrees of advance on his timing when he just read that from the factory tune and is talking to his date that thinks the color is pretty.

NissanSkylineN1
Take a look at the first page. Do you see any recommendations by yourself?
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You didn't seem to want to make much effort for yourself and I lost most of my interest when you kept getting caught up in the wrong things.

I hope you know that 85 is only 13 degress from the CPU's TJmax.
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Oh no! Are you planning on running Prime all day, every day, constantly? Because if so, you have other issues to worry about.

That would be like worrying your car get 10mpg to the gallon when you floor it to redline every time, every where, every shift.
 
ROAD_DOGG33J
Tcase max yes?

I still haven't figured out what that actually means. Other than it seems like some kind of recommendation for optimal temperature to not go over or something.



Now, was the room hot and did you put on too much paste?
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I got 85 degrees with the stock paste. Also, TJmax is the temperature where the CPU automatically shuts off to prevent damage.


Azuremen
You didn't seem to want to make much effort for yourself and I lost most of my interest when you kept getting caught up in the wrong things.
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I thought you did care as you stated earlier, since you DID say you made recommendations, right?:
Azuremen
....and didn't pay any attention to anything I suggested anyhow,
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Azuremen
Oh no! Are you planning on running Prime all day, every day, constantly? Because if so, you have other issues to worry about.
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No, and I haven't. I got that reading within less than 10 minutes.

Stop criticizing and making excuses. You didn't help on choosing the parts, so you have no right to criticize Nick09. That's the final verdict. Had you helped choose parts, then you would have the right to insult and call incompetency on others.
 
I haven't gone through the entire thread, but I'm a bit lost: you're getting 80-degree-plus temps from your 2500k at what percentage load?

Do you have SpeedStep on or off?

Have you overclocked anything (again, I haven't gone through the entire thread so forgive me)? If you're getting 80-degree-plus temps at max load with the stock HSF that's absolutely nothing to worry about at all as you'll never stress the CPU that much while doing anything at all really, not even gaming.

Video encoding (from what little I've done with it) is a different story however.
 
100% all four cores, Speedstep on, fans at 100%, no overclocking. I'm getting 79 degrees now with my new paste during 100% load.
 
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NissanSkylineN1
Stop criticizing and making excuses. You didn't help on choosing the parts, so you have no right to criticize Nick09. That's the final verdict. Had you helped choose parts, then you would have the right to insult and call incompetency on others.
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:lol: telling me what I can and can not do on the internet like it some how matters, please.

Honestly I think you put the paste on wrong. Also seeing temps rise rapidly would make sense when something is operating under 100% load.

Do you have any actual experience with this, or are you just going "OMG IT IS GETTING HOT OH NO" cause you are more than 15% from the TJmax point while it is running under 100%. Run the test longer, get back to us, otherwise you are worrying about nothing.
 
NissanSkylineN1
All those temps I have said in this thread are during 100% load.
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Then why are you worrying? 1. You're almost never going to be running it at 100% anyways. 2 It's well within the manufacturers specifications. 3. If its such a big deal that its running hot at 100% Load, go buy a new heatsink from somewhere.
 
.... Now that I'm relieved of temps, I've got a new question. Why the hell would Intel use such a crappy HS? I mean, AMD's Black Edition Heatsinks are far better than this.

AMD:
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Intel:
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NissanSkylineN1
I got 85 degrees with the stock paste. Also, TJmax is the temperature where the CPU automatically shuts off to prevent damage.
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Generally they don't shut off on Intel CPUs, but reduces the multiplier until the temperature lowers.

Again, The TJMax (Which isn't actually published by Intel on Non-Server Chips, but is generally regarded as ~100C on most new CPUs) is defined in Intel Documentation as the 'Maximum Safe Operating Temperature'. So running at 85C in an extended full load situation is still within the safe operating boundaries defined by Intel (As is 99C).

Once it gets to 101C it's not going to catch fire and explode. Obviously more heat = more cooling = more noise, so there is reason to try and reduce the temperature if you're concerned about fan noise, but other than that, the value isn't as alarmist as some people here are proclaiming.
 
They both get the job done, that's why.

Now.. Are you looking to get a new heatsink? If so, what kind of budget do you have? Are you wanting air cooled, or water?
 
If it's that much of a cumbersome issue to you, get a Dark Rock Pro/Advanced or something.
 
bergauk
They both get the job done, that's why.
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And they're cheap. If Intel/AMD shipped their CPUs with 'better' coolers the price will go up, and I don't think people would appreciate that.


If the cooler is working (ie the fan is spinning as it should), your CPU is at stock clocks and is idling above 50C or so then odds are you didn't paste the CPU/HS properly. 100% load won't tell you if it's all working fine or not, because CPUs are supposed to be hot under maximum load. If the CPU is abnormally hot when it's not meant to be, ie idle, then you have a problem.
 
I'm not sure how big you want your monitor, but I did know a person that had a Hanns-G monitor and had 90% of good things to report about it. This one is also one of the cheapest ones that I saw on that site. It's 18" which is pretty sweet, should give you HD recording and viewing qualities too if you wish (yes that's right, I'm joining this thread too it seems, and I want no flame, k? ;)).

EDIT: In relation to the CPU/Heatsink debate thing, I have a MacBook Pro with just the stock fan and CPU in it. It runs at...hmm,anywhere from 60º - 90ºC depending on what I'm running and how hard I'm flogging her (no sexual pun intended). Average is about 79º - 81ºC. I know this thread is to do with a desktop computer, but...meh.
 
NissanSkylineN1
I got 85 degrees with the stock paste. Also, TJmax is the temperature where the CPU automatically shuts off to prevent damage.
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Did you check to see whether the core temperatures were more or less the same?

I'll just assume your room was pretty hot. You only need a tiny amount of paste. The ideal contact surface would be if the bare heatsink would be in 100% contact with the CPU.

But yeah your computer won't explode at that temperature. I'll trust the engineers at Intel.
 

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