Nitro...

[sukerkin]

Quite an array of posts on this one.

Back and forth the ball goes and, as ever, no conclusion is reached because, on the one hand, you have players (like me) with a simulation mindset who would rather not play than use NOS and on the other you have people who just play games and couldn't care less whether NOS 'fits' in with GT racing - and "'nere the twain shall meet" is the appropraite phrase I believe

For me, honing the suspension is a big part of my enjoyment of the game as is trying to succeed against the AI with the 'least' car that I can. In my 200 A-Spec campaign I could've saved myself days of spannering and grid shuffling by simply strapping on NOS and bulleting off down the straights. I would never do it, however, because in my PoV you may as well go and play PGR, Ridge Racer or NFS if you substitute driving experience and engineering knowledge with a Go Faster and Win button.

Does this mean that the NOS inhalers are wrong? If you were to ask me I would say "Yes! Watch more 'proper' racing and less 2F2F! Ricer eejuts!". But that's just my personal prejudice and preference wrapped up in a semi-comedic opinion. Does it really affect my game if others use NOS? Not an iota - go ahead and laugh yourselves silly (just don't expect any respect for 200 A-Spec wins) .

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

(just don't expect any respect for 200 A-Spec wins) .

You mean like all those who used the Dodge Ram and other similar glaring flaws in the A-Spec point system to get 200 A-Spec wins?

As always... just as it is with the different ways NOS can be used, there are, and will continue to be exceptions!

 

[sukerkin]

Quite right 👍.

Leaving the Dodge Ram Cheat-truck aside, other than a general drift towards Japanese cars being 'better' for their A-Spec points than other nations offerings, what outstanding flawster-mibiles are there?

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Seems? Why don't you just read what I'm saying and take it at face value like intended? I never said there's no skill involved in racing without hitting the AI. I said it's easier to drive consistent laps in a good handling, underpowered car than in an ill handling, high powered car. You yourself admitted that you use a brake upgrade to give you a performance advantage under braking over the AI cars, to avoid them driving into you. Why is that different from someone using nitrous to avoid the AI cars rear ending them on the straights, and then battling in an ill handling car to keep the AI behind in the corners?



I never mentioned the need for a lack of driving skill in my argument. But, if you need to make up for all-my-own-work mistakes in cornering, Nitrous would not be my first choice anyway, since you only get enough of it to make up for one or two mistakes. If using nitrous to improve lap times is cheating, then so is using any other modification that achieves the same end result. I'm also not comparing two different drivers. I'm comparing the same driver using two different options.



Senna and Mansell both insisted on getting the best equipment. They did whatever they could to win, not to race closely. You can guarantee that if they had the exclusive option of nitrous, they would have used it, just like they would any other exclusive performance advantage they could get. Senna, for instance, joined McLaren because they had the best engine in F1. He didn't say "no, can't have that. Rather give me that slow car over there so I can come 15th but feel good about it". Mansell, when presented with the only car on the grid with effective active suspension, didn't say "oh I can't have that, it gives me an unfair advantage". He took advantage of a car which was superior around corners and used it to win the championship. Prost is an even worse example for you to use. He made a name for himself as "The Professor" in the turbocharged, fuel restricted days, because he knew just when to turn the boost up to gain track advantage, and when to turn it down to avoid running out of fuel. In other words, he made better use of a temporary power boost than anyone else who actually had a turbo (not all the cars ran turbos). He couldn't use it all the time because he'd use up all his fuel. Thus, he made good use of performance advantage used on the straights, but also limited in availability. A bit like nitrous, and pretty much exactly the "magic button" you mentioned. I don't know where you're getting this idea that as a prerequisite to using nitrous, you must be a crap driver. Good drivers are allowed to use it too.

Thing is, I can enter a race in a car, find that I need another half a second a lap to be competitive, wander off to the garage and add a bit that gives me that half a second. What difference does it make if it's a suspension bit or a straight line bit, incl. nitrous? Either way, I'm doing something the AI can't. They can't improve their car's performance to react to me. Whether or not you call that cheating is up to you, but even if you do, you can't point the finger specifically at nitrous, or even engine mods in general.



So is a guy who is battling to keep his ill handling car on the circuit around the twisty bits to try keep in striking distance of the AI so he can power past them on the next straight, then trying to keep the AI behind him in the next set of twisties. Just like you probably were in the muscle cars you mentioned. Did you modify the gearbox in those to allow a top speed above the 118mph limit most of them are supplied with? If so, did that help you overtake them in the corners?



Skill's got nothing to do with the mods on your car. An unskilled driver will still crash everywhere in an Elan. A skilled driver will still have difficult races in an 800bhp Tuscan, possibly fitted with nitrous.



Whatever turns you off.

Uh oh, here's the part where somebody systematically tears apart my entire viewpoint. ooooh noooo!!

...seriously man, I dig your taste in music but you're not getting what I'm saying at all. The bottom line is, somebody who drives proficiently (good handling car or not) is better on the tracks than one who relies on nitrous to make up for his/her mistakes. End of story.

Anyways, I give up. We could go on and on with this argument/discussion but it's bumming me out. I gots the day off and gonna do some racing in my latest find: a white 1990 Fiat Panda Super! Many would think this is a little salt-box not worth a dime, but I'm skewering some Ai with this boxy pocket-rocket.

...don't worry, I was being sarcastic about the N4S stuff. I went to a game store yesterday but I don't think I'll ever buy Need 4 Speed...except for my 12-year old nephew that is.

On my Laguna Sucka story: No, I didn't modify my Chevelle with a taller gearbox. I hate all that gearing whine, basically...I'd rather have a stock box and listen to that delicious 454 block. Running down the straight it would therefore redline. I had to not get an oil-change so my power would stay consistent. Mmmm what else? I used a semi-racing suspension just to get the Chevelle lowered properly (it still sits just over 130 mm I believe). All R1 tires (still had to take extra pitstops, though). The power was 505-ish. I used the racing-brake package but no brake controller. The brake controller is supposed to direct the ABS system; I feel silly using it in a car that didn't have ABS in the first place.

 

[AlfaAlfa]

I don't think they use nitrous (the ai that is). You'd be able to hear the engines sipping it up otherwise. You know how it makes that sssssss noise?

And i guess you'll have to call me narrow-minded on this subject D-N, but i'm not trying to insult anyone. I just have yet to find a single race in which i truly need nitrous. But that's just me. Please don't get offended, okay?

I have yet to find a life in which I truly need Gran Turismo. Yet I enjoy it and intend to keep playing. I enjoy occaisionally equipping a car with nitrous - just because it's fun. I don't need it. I have golded every license test in every GT, completed each game, finally conquered mission 34 (20 times or so, again just for fun) so I certainly don't feel I need nitrous to win. I completely finished the game before I even decided to try nitrous. But when I did check it out, I liked it. I only use it when I feel like and I don't feel one damn bit guilty about it. I don't see why this is such a horrid taboo!

 

[Alfaholic]

The bottom line is, somebody who drives proficiently (good handling car or not) is better on the tracks than one who relies on nitrous to make up for his/her mistakes. End of story.

When you put it that way, I can't argue

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

It's useful for cheating. That's it in a nutshell.

Another reason Nitrous should be shunned by us is this: we have the option of buying and using it; the Ai does not. See, and the Ai should be able to use it like we do. Then i'd consider it a fair trade.

I don't think they use nitrous (the ai that is). You'd be able to hear the engines sipping it up otherwise. You know how it makes that sssssss noise?

Not that you would be able to hear it anyway while in A-spec. You'd also have to tests all the AI cars for every race in B-spec and in each AI car's camera view in order to listen for any "ssssss" noise, and even then, the only way you would know definitively would be to look at the programming code.

That said, and as I have said already, I don't believe the AI ever does use Nitro, but you have conveniently ignored why even this logic is flawed, and that using your own logic, you have "cheated" many times.

For instance, there is also no proof that the AI use cars with "new" oil. How many times have you changed your cars’ oil in GT4?

It is an actual fact that the AI can only use one type of tire for each race... how many races have you been in where you used a different tire type that the AI can't use for that race?

It is an actual fact that the AI have a limited number of cars they can use for each race. How many times have you used a car that the AI can't use for a race?

There is also no proof, or even any significant evidence that the AI use all of the mods available in the tuning shops... so again, using your logic, to use any of those mods that the AI can't use would be cheating.

There is also no proof, or even any significant evidence that the AI adjust the tuning settings from the default settings (which is why the AI in some cars on some courses have serious problems staying on the track)... so again, using your logic, to make ANY adjustments to the tuning that the AI can't adjust would be cheating.

Once again, your trying to apply a 'black or white rule' to an issue that is far more complex and has many exceptions.

So here is a "nutshell" for you to consider:

Using cars, tires, oil changes, mods (including Nitro), and custom tuning that the AI can't/doesn't use in a race isn't necessarily cheating, and can often result in challenging, close, competitive races.

Also using cars, tires, and mods that the AI can use can in fact be looked upon as "cheating", like using a Group C race car against AI in sub 200hp production cars.

There are many exceptions, and trying to apply a flawed narrow-minded piece of logic to proclaim the use of Nitro as some form of "cheat" will almost always result in a failed argument when it comes time to defend that position.

"END OF STORY".


PS: The bottom line is, somebody who drives proficiently (good handling car or not) is better on the tracks than one who relies on better cars, mods, tires, and tuning to make up for his/her mistakes. End of (another) story.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

When you put it that way, I can't argue

Good, I'm sick of arguing. This has turned into a bit of a "bad vibes" thread for me. You're a JCS fan and you like Alfas, and that's 2 reasons I don't want this stupid argument to keep going on and on...

Not that you would be able to hear it anyway while in A-spec. You'd also have to tests all the AI cars for every race in B-spec and in each AI car's camera view in order to listen for any "ssssss" noise, and even then, the only way you would know definitively would be to look at the programming code.

You can also listen to replays, which I watch fairly often. So far, I have yet to hear nitrous in an ai car.

That said, and as I have said already, I don't believe the AI ever does use Nitro, but you have conveniently ignored why even this logic is flawed, and that using your own logic, you have "cheated" many times.

For instance, there is also no proof that the AI use cars with "new" oil. How many times have you changed your cars’ oil in GT4?

The problem with this argument is I consistently keep my power within reigns. So whether the Ai uses "new" oil or not, is a moot point. I personally don't like races in which I'm about to win by a huge margin (unless the Ai screws up and crashes or something, that is).

But my personal opinion is that the Ai does not use new oil...otherwise I'd find myself getting farther and farther ahead of them as I do endurance races, and the Ai lose power as time goes by.

It is an actual fact that the AI can only use one type of tire for each race... how many races have you been in where you used a different tire type that the AI can't use for that race?

You have a point here. However, this still goes back to my style of gaming in which I keep myself from having too much of an advantage. In any event, I've used Road tires in beginning races plenty of times! How often does the Ai use these? I don't think they ever do. How often does the Ai use R1 super-hard tires in an endurance? I have...and if you've read my 2 race reports (GV 300 and Laguna Sucka) you'll see I still had to make extra pit-stops....on harder, crappier tires.

It is an actual fact that the AI have a limited number of cars they can use for each race. How many times have you used a car that the AI can't use for a race?

...and how is this cheating? I'm not the sort who wins a Cadillac Cien and goes to town in easier races. Look at my 2 race reports. In GV 300 I used a 2003 Viper SRT. I coulda used an Oreca Viper (which I actually bought) yet chose not to. At Laguna Seca i used a Chevelle. Again, I could have used my shiny viper SRT-10, yet I chose not to.

The Ai does not have so much of a choice (agreed) yet I wouldn't call either of these cars "cheaters" It's not like I entered an F1 in either race, see? Hell, if I stuck to the actual cars the Ai is limited to, I'd often find myself with too much of an advantage. This is one of those arguments in which I could go on for days, man...as I've (for 3 years now) consistently used underdogs.

There is also no proof, or even any significant evidence that the AI use all of the mods available in the tuning shops... so again, using your logic, to use any of those mods that the AI can't use would be cheating.

I'd have to disagree here. Sucahyo did some research earlier on by looking at the way GT games are coded which shows the Ai does use after-market parts.

There is also no proof, or even any significant evidence that the AI adjust the tuning settings from the default settings (which is why the AI in some cars on some courses have serious problems staying on the track)... so again, using your logic, to make ANY adjustments to the tuning that the AI can't adjust would be cheating.

Yes, I'll agree. PD did not program the Ai to make adjustments; however, you guys are still missing my point: the Ai often uses us as a wall or something to slam into. I do not! When I adjust my semi-racing suspension or brake balancer, I am doing so to allow myself some leeway in corners so that I can avoid the Ai, not so I can wind up with a 5-second lead by the end of a 3-lap race.

...this seems like a very fair trade to me. The ai makes the choice to drive into me, so I make the choice to adjust my settings so I can avoid them.

Once again, your trying to apply a 'black or white rule' to an issue that is far more complex and has many exceptions.

So here is a "nutshell" for you to consider:

Using cars, tires, oil changes, mods (including Nitro), and custom tuning that the AI can't/doesn't use in a race isn't necessarily cheating, and can often result in challenging, close, competitive races.

Fine, we've already been over this. Look, you've proven to me you incorporate nitrous into your game yet are still able to get a close race. More power to you. 👍 I've experimented with nitrous (as I admitted early on in this thread) yet I have yet to find a race in which I truly need it. We just have different ways of approaching the game.

Also using cars, tires, and mods that the AI can use can in fact be looked upon as "cheating", like using a Group C race car against AI in sub 200hp production cars.

There are many exceptions, and trying to apply a flawed narrow-minded piece of logic to proclaim the use of Nitro as some form of "cheat" will almost always result in a failed argument when it comes time to defend that position.

Fine. I'm narrow-minded. I already fessed up to this, I don't think my viewpoint is flawed, though.

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

The problem with this argument is i consistently keep my power within reigns. So whether the Ai uses "new" oil or not, is a moot point. I personally don't like races in which i'm about to win by a huge margin (unless the Ai screws up and crashes or something, that is).

I don't see the problem you refer to. The "rule" you said is that its cheating to use something the AI can't. If the AI can't get the ~5% HP boost from new oil, then by your logic, it would be cheating to use cars with a fresh oil change against the AI… I’m not saying it is, as I understand there are exceptions, and plenty of ways to limit your car's performance to better match the AI, only pointing out the flaw in your logic.

You have a point here. However, this still goes back to my style of gaming in which i keep myself from having too much of an advantage. In any event, i've used Road tires in beginning races plenty of times! How often does the Ai use these? I don't think they ever do. How often does the Ai use R1 super-hard tires in an endurance? I have...and if you've read my 2 race reports (GV 300 and Laguna Sucka) you'll see i still had to make extra pit-stops....on harder, crappier tires.

You are making my point for me, and again exposing the flaw in your logic when you say its cheating to use something the AI can't. See... I'm agreeing that using different tire types doesn't mean you are cheating... there are always exceptions... as you have just pointed out. I'd also point out that it is easily possible to use better tires than the AI and still not be cheating by using them with an inferior car.

...and how is this cheating? I'm not the sort who wins a Cadillac Cien and goes to town in easier races. Look at my 2 race reports. In GV 300 i used a 2003 Viper SRT. I coulda used an Oreca Viper (which i actually bought) yet chose not to. At Laguna Seca i used a Chevelle. Again, i coulda used my shiny viper SRT-10, yet i chose not to.

Same answer as above... its not, thus why your reasoning is/was flawed.

I'd have to disagree here. Sucahyo did plenty of research earlier on that shows the Ai does use after-market parts.

Read my response more carefully please. I said "all" of the mods and "any of those mods that the AI can't use". I already am well aware of the fact that the AI use some of the mods that increase HP, but there is no substantial evidence that they can use ALL the mods... as we already are assuming they can't use Nitro, they don’t use some of the tire types, and you'll have an extremely difficult time trying to find evidence that they are using all of the non HP related mods.

Yes, i'll agree. PD did not program the Ai to make adjustments; however, you guys are still missing my point: the Ai often uses us as a wall or something to slam into. I do not! When i adjust my semi-racing suspension or brake balancer, i am doing so to allow myself some leeway in corners so that i can avoid the Ai!

I'm not missing the point, I'm addressing the logic you used to declare the use of Nitro as cheating.... which you keep avoiding.

Fine. I'm narrow-minded. I already fessed up to this, i dont' think my viewpoint is flawed, though.

"Another reason Nitrous should be shunned by us is this: we have the option of buying and using it; the Ai does not." = Flawed Logic - See Above.


Oh well, at least you have given plenty of examples where you yourself have used cars, mods, tires, tuning, that the AI in that race can’t use, and in some cases can't ever use in GT4… and yet it certainly doesn’t sound like you were cheating. Hopefully now you understand why your logic was flawed, and that there are some very obvious exceptions, and while you have yet to discover it, there are exceptions where the use of Nitro is also not cheating, and can also be used to enjoy challenging, close, competitive races.

Hopefully this is the end of this “debate”.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

I have yet to find a life in which I truly need Gran Turismo. Yet I enjoy it and intend to keep playing. I enjoy occaisionally equipping a car with nitrous - just because it's fun. I don't need it. I have golded every license test in every GT, completed each game, finally conquered mission 34 (20 times or so, again just for fun) so I certainly don't feel I need nitrous to win. I completely finished the game before I even decided to try nitrous. But when I did check it out, I liked it. I only use it when I feel like and I don't feel one damn bit guilty about it. I don't see why this is such a horrid taboo!

Sheesh, what is this, the "gang up on Parnelli" thread??

I don't see the problem you refer to. The "rule" you said is that its cheating to use something the AI can't. If the AI can't get the ~5% HP boost from new oil, then by your logic, it would be cheating to use cars with a fresh oil change against the AI… I’m not saying it is, as I understand there are exceptions, and plenty of ways to limit your car's performance to better match the AI, only pointing out the flaw in your logic.

If I personally used oil changes to wind up with a huge advantage in horsepower that put me seconds ahead of the Ai by the end of a race, then yes...that would be cheating. But I don't. Like I said, no matter what I do, the #1 priority for me is a close race (and therefore a killer replay I can gloat upon)

You are making my point for me, and again exposing the flaw in your logic when you say its cheating to use something the AI can't. See... I'm agreeing that using different tire types doesn't mean you are cheating... there are always exceptions... as you have just pointed out. I'd also point out that it is easily possible to use better tires than the AI and still not be cheating by using them with an inferior car.

Okay...

Same answer as above... its not, thus why your reasoning is/was flawed.

Explain to me exactly how my reasoning is "flawed" if I'm consciously making decisions that for the most part giving myself as many disadvantages as I have advantages? I'm really getting confused by this.

Read my response more carefully please. I said "all" of the mods and "any of those mods that the AI can't use". I already am well aware of the fact that the AI use some of the mods that increase HP, but there is no substantial evidence that they can use ALL the mods... as we already are assuming they can't use Nitro, they don’t use some of the tire types, and you'll have an extremely difficult time trying to find evidence that they are using all of the non HP related mods.

Yes, you are correct here. I can't substantially prove where and when the Ai uses mods that aren't power-related. Sucahyo's research (as it turns out) was done on cars in GT2, which I just realized. However I believe in other games, PD has followed suit and has used some upgrades in the Ai that we can't see. Case in point, I just did some of the Pro-level Turbo Cup races.

I drove a yellow '99 Subaru Impreza sedan. First I did the race with a semi-racing suspension and got my car dialed in with power, and had several close matches. Then I decided to drive my car with the same power in a couple of the races, but with a stock suspension. 💡 Guess what? My car suffered from a lot more leaning, a bit more sliding, and generally I lost control of things more often.

As I watched the replay from the viewpoint of several Ai cars, I realized that they're driving thru the turns with lots less drama (the same way I did when my car had a semi-racing suspension). Can I prove they've got a sports or semi-racing suspension underneath? No. But I certainly believe something is going on under there...they're certainly not stock.

...can't prove it tho. Someday perhaps one of us will.

I'm not missing the point, I'm addressing the logic you used to declare the use of Nitro as cheating.... which you keep avoiding.



"Another reason Nitrous should be shunned by us is this: we have the option of buying and using it; the Ai does not." = Flawed Logic - See Above.


Oh well, at least you have given plenty of examples where you yourself have used cars, mods, tires, tuning, that the AI in that race can’t use, and in some cases can't ever use in GT4… and yet it certainly doesn’t sound like you were cheating. Hopefully now you understand why your logic was flawed, and that there are some very obvious exceptions, and while you have yet to discover it, there are exceptions where the use of Nitro is also not cheating, and can also be used to enjoy challenging, close, competitive races.

Lord. Call me stubborn, but I don't see it. Sorry. I already told you twice now that the way you use nitrous (resulting in a close match) is cool; I just prefer not to use the stuff. Most folks are like the creator of this thread I think who (unlike yourself) choose nitrous in a way that gives them an unfair advantage. At least you're keeping yourself in check. 👍

Hopefully this is the end of this “debate”.

It's getting there. I'm afraid we'll have to eventually call it a draw, unfortunately.

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

Explain to me exactly how my reasoning is "flawed" if i'm consciously making decisions that for the most part giving myself as many disadvantages as i have advantages? I'm really getting confused by this.

Since when did I ever even address any suggested flaw in that type of gameplay... for Heaven's sake, I've already made it clear I do the same thing.

Once again... here is your very own quote for which has been brought up and explained to you several times how it is most certainly flawed:

It's useful for cheating. That's it in a nutshell.

Another reason Nitrous should be shunned by us is this: we have the option of buying and using it; the Ai does not. See, and the Ai should be able to use it like we do. Then i'd consider it a fair trade.

"Another reason Nitrous should be shunned by us is this: we have the option of buying and using it; the Ai does not." = Flawed Logic - See Above.

Seriously, if you honestly can't understand this line of thinking, after all the examples and exceptions that have been given, even your own, then there really is no point at all continuing this discussion…. I’m sorry if I sound irritated/frustrated. I’ll get over it soon enough.

 

[superjim]

So we're all agreed that GT5 should have blue flames, then?

 

[Rykon Zero]

yes. and what is the Dodge Ram cheat?

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

There isn't a Dodge Ram cheat per se. It's that players can take advantage of the very flawed basic A-spec formula used in GT4 to calculate how many A-spec points you can win in a race... and the Dodge Ram is one of the best examples of this.

You'll find that there are many 200pt A-spec races that with certain cars and set-ups are ridiculously easy to win, while at the same time there are 20pt A-spec races that with certain cars and set-ups are absolutely impossible to win... this is why GT4's A-spec point formula is terribly flawed.

The reason for this is that it simply doesn’t take in account nearly enough variables to properly compare the performance differences between the AI cars and yours, thus it is easy to fool it to give yourself easy 200pt races for many of the races. Races with more restrictions are generally harder to cheat/take advantage of the flawed A-spec system.

The other problem with the A-spec formula is that it does take in account the average of all 5 AI cars... when it should ONLY take in account the best AI car, because after all, you get 0 points for beating 5-2. The only car that matters based on getting A-spec points is beating the best AI car, thus the points should be based only on that AI car.

As it is now, if the best AI car is in a field of low A-spec AI cars, the A-spec points will be much lower. If it is in a field of AI cars with high A-spec points, it will be much higher... and yet from the players standpoint, for both races it will take practically the same effort to win... yet one race awards high A-spec points, the other low A-spec points - thus the system is flawed in that way as well.

There are several very good, in-depth threads on this subject and on "200pt A-spec races", so if you want to better understand these issues, I'd recommend taking a look at the LOOK HERE BEFORE YOU ASK – Many FAQs thread as well as browse through the 200pt A-Spec Races sub-forum. 👍

 

[Duke]

As it is now, if the best AI car is in a field of low A-spec AI cars, the A-spec points will be much lower.

And, given the much-complained-about 'rabbit' method of AI field composition, this happens more often than not. Which is why I quit worrying about A-spec points entirely about 20% of the way into the game.

 

[Stevisiov]

And, given the much-complained-about 'rabbit' method of AI field composition, this happens more often than not. Which is why I quit worrying about A-spec points entirely about 20% of the way into the game.

I use the A-spec points as little more than a mild gauge, like you said above, it isn't something you should rely upon to determine how hard a race is, I have had 200 A-spec races that might as well have been a walk in the park, then had a 30 A-spec point race that requires my ut-most concentration.

And for the record, I don't use Nitrous oxide but agree in some cases it is not a cheat, its only cheating when it gives you an advantage, just like it is a cheat when you stick a stage 4 turbo on your Group-C race car, and just like its an unfair advantage sticking racing tyres on against opponents with road tyres.

So no its not a cheat unless you use it to give yourself an unfair advantage, just in the same way as any other part can give you an unfair advantage, personally I don't like it, but its not to say those who use it are heathens to all use stand up races, who like all races to be won by mere split seconds.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

So we're all agreed that GT5 should have blue flames, then?

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Okay then

BIG PUBLIC APOLOGY​

Sorry folks if anyone got offended, saddened, threatened, or sexually turned-on by my opinions! But in the end, that's all they are..OPINIONS. If you guys think I cheat because I use some after-market upgrades, so be it! I don't really care to be honest. And y'all shouldn't really care either about what I think. it's a GAME after all!!!!! anyone up for a beer? I even brought some non-alcoholic brews, too for those who don't wanna drive "from bottle to throttle"

...so yeah, I give up...I'm sorry. Enjoy your game. I'm about to enjoy mine! Matter of fact, I can hear my ugly yellow '99 Subaru Impreza STi sedan (that's all that was available in the used lot when I was shopping the other day) callin my name. FFFRRRRRUUUUUUUUJMMMMMMMMMM''

Are we cool everyone? Everyone happy? goooood

 

[Stevisiov]

Acctually I could do with a beer

I always seem to drive faster, after alcahol on GT4, its very odd, and no I am not going to try it in real life before anyone has a go at me.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Acctually I could do with a beer

I always seem to drive faster, after alcahol on GT4, its very odd, and no I am not going to try it in real life before anyone has a go at me.

I've done some drunken driving in GT4 myself...actually I really start to suck if I've got a beer buzz. Now green leafy materials? that's a better way to go for me. I tend to get into gaming more (especially RPG stuff) once I got that going on...

...but I didn't bring any of that...I only bought beer because it's politically safe with this being a family site and all so drink up ! oops. HEY! the bathroom's down the hall!!

 

[Alfaholic]

Whaaaaaat?!? You don't like nitrous but alcohol's OK? Talk about double standards

Just kidding of course Mr Bones For the record, I don't think that the way you race is cheating, and if I thought it was, I'd be calling myself a cheat too, because I also have a habit of modifying my cars in search of a close race. I'm just (slightly) more, um, nitrous tolerant, which probably has something to do with all the sugar I was fed as a child.....

 

[PARAGON GT]

I'll be honest. I have a select group of cars that I have purchased a baby bottle for.
They are cars that were selected for a specific purpose. Attaining maximum speed.
And for the most part, thats the only time that a bottle was equiped on the car.

Now yes, there were also times where I have taken a car equiped with a bottle to a race. And have completely blown the other cars off the track. But that is usually after I have beat the event/race in an unequiped, typically less built car. Its more of a fun run at that point.

 

[Alfaholic]

yes. and what is the Dodge Ram cheat?

Here's the Dodge Ram cheat. Sorry it's taken me a while to dig it up, but I've never actually used it myself, because I don't own a Dodge Ram.

Anyway the cheat is this: In Gran Turismo mode, go to your garage, select the Dodge Ram and select "Change". Now you have to get this next sequence of buttons exactly right. Ready? Here goes
Press Triangle twice
Press Left twice, then up twice
Press X, Right, X, Down, Right, X, Right twice, X again, Right 7 times, X, Right, and X. Voila! Instant nitrous 👍

I've heard that small changes to the sequence and unlock completely different mods. Kind of like a tiny change in DNA turns a human into a daffodil. I've never actually seen the sequences though.

EDIT: Oh, and that's for PAL version only. Does anyone know if it works on other versions?

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

Here's the Dodge Ram cheat. Sorry it's taken me a while to dig it up, but I've never actually used it myself, because I don't own a Dodge Ram.

Anyway the cheat is this: In Gran Turismo mode, go to your garage, select the Dodge Ram and select "Change". Now you have to get this next sequence of buttons exactly right. Ready? Here goes
Press Triangle twice
Press Left twice, then up twice
Press X, Right, X, Down, Right, X, Right twice, X again, Right 7 times, X, Right, and X. Voila! Instant nitrous 👍

I've heard that small changes to the sequence and unlock completely different mods. Kind of like a tiny change in DNA turns a human into a daffodil. I've never actually seen the sequences though.

EDIT: Oh, and that's for PAL version only. Does anyone know if it works on other versions?

Is it April Fools already?

 

[Alfaholic]

Is it April Fools already?

Hey, try it, it works







just make sure you've got a few credits in the bank

 

[Stevisiov]

It is advised you press mute and avert your eyes form the TV when you try this, as it may distract you, from entering the correct code.

Good look.

 

[AlfaAlfa]

So we're all agreed that GT5 should have blue flames, then?

blue flames and big "NOS" stickers too 👍

i can hear my ugly yellow '99 Subaru Impreza STi sedan (that's all that was available in the used lot when i was shopping the other day) callin my name. FFFRRRRRUUUUUUUUJMMMMMMMMMM''

Are we cool everyone? Everyone happy? goooood

I was until you called my favorite car color ugly! (jk) :-)

 

[TheBigMan045]

After wining most of the races unfairly (1pt races) i decided to atempt to get as much A-spec points as possible. Its a lot more fun beating cars with faster speeds with an old junker that handles like a dream. Yes i still use N2O but only on my road cars that i use to beat my speed records or lap records

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Here's the Dodge Ram cheat. Sorry it's taken me a while to dig it up, but I've never actually used it myself, because I don't own a Dodge Ram.

Anyway the cheat is this: In Gran Turismo mode, go to your garage, select the Dodge Ram and select "Change". Now you have to get this next sequence of buttons exactly right. Ready? Here goes
Press Triangle twice
Press Left twice, then up twice
Press X, Right, X, Down, Right, X, Right twice, X again, Right 7 times, X, Right, and X. Voila! Instant nitrous 👍

I've heard that small changes to the sequence and unlock completely different mods. Kind of like a tiny change in DNA turns a human into a daffodil. I've never actually seen the sequences though.

EDIT: Oh, and that's for PAL version only. Does anyone know if it works on other versions?

i dont know, let me get some more alcohol and try it.