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I have already beaten the main menus and have started grinding, but I always want to go back to revisit menu 33 WTC600 to get my missing first place. Certainly it is not hard to obtain 2nd place at all, even with hard AI. I can score 2nd, 3rd and 4th so that my total score is 10+8+7=25. The first place AI car, which uses RE Amemiya FD3S RX-7, scores 1st, 1st and 3rd, totaling 32 points. Therefore, even obtaining 2nd, 2nd and 2nd won't suffice to win, and I at least need one win, which should be the first map. However, after a few attempts with Taycan and Huracan Gr.4, I find this even extremely bothering, especially at the point that it shows me that I don't know about the cars, tunes and how PP system works.
Surprisingly, despite the fact that many posts have complained about this event, 100% of the replies were quite vague and always start with "I seem to remember using whatever random car I got before and it was an easy win", "Just use EV, massive lead", "Just use a Gr.4/3 car, dominating", ... It is interesting to see that experienced players have zero trouble winning this series and basically no one understands why new players struggle. This leads to a surprising situation that:
It is true that I can win with Taycan or Huracan IF my lap time is 2 seconds shorter than my current one, which is not a lot, considering track experience has way larger gaps for gold/silver/bronze. Talented players can literally pick up a stock 550pp car and put on IM tires and win. However, it is hard to imagine the difficulty setting that PD decided to design for these events, that a bronze-track-experience level player like me, can easily win 1st at WTC700 and WTC800, fails to catch up that Amemiya. I certainly believe that, as long as the car used is powerful enough, skill issues can be covered and a win is guaranteed. This is just so much harder for the 600pp event, as it seems 600pp tuning sacrifices SO MUCH horsepower for high PP cars.
Now let me explain why this 600pp tuning is hard.
First, the traditional way of using trashy tires on a beefy car trick does not work. I know for Tokyo 600 people use 800pp cars equipped with the worst tires in the game to lower the pp, but this will fail miserably in the menu 33 event. It is because the first map has moderate rain, and IM tires are mandatory. Tried 787B with comfort hard front and IM rear, IMPOSSIBLE to turn. The grip is so low that every sharp turn I need to slow down to like 40km/h to be able to barely turn in. Completely useless. For the second map, Suzuka, I tried with high HP tune of Taycan with SH tires. This track is basically 80% cornering, and that HP advantage is all gone when such trashy tires are used. Impossible to maintain a high speed turn and takes too long to decelerate.
The above limit basically rules out the inherent high PP cars. It requires somewhat decent tires then the HP must be lowered to an incredible level such that the value of the car is basically all gone. Then, we probably need to look at cars with low stock PPs. However, it is again hard to find a car to beat Amemiya. Amemiya RX-7 has such an incredible performance on paper. 1240kg with a massive 372HP, extremely good HP/mass ratio, with only 560+ stock PP. For road cars around that level, for example Supra '20, basically similar PP but heavier and lower HP. I don't even understand how Amemiya is able to score such low PP with such high performance. Its performance is well witnessed in the actual game. It just takes the lead further and further each lap. To add even more challenge, the AI seems to change mid race. Initially it is 40 seconds ahead of me. After 3 laps I made it to 10 seconds, but for the remaining two laps the lead AI decides to speed up and maintain such a gap, or it even beats me to extend the lead to 11 or 12 seconds. This for sure could happen because my downtuned cars literally has a lower HP/mass ratio than Amemiya.
I sincerely invite good players with knowledge on wide variety of cars and tunes to this car tune challenge. Without using engine swaps (because most new players do not have level 50) and must use IM/SS/RH tires, which car has the best on paper performance at 600pp (higher HP/mass ratio than Amemiya) and can guarantee a bronze level player the win at this event?
EDIT: I got 1/2/1 with a down-tuned Escudo, 564PS, SH front SS rear, manual instead of racing gear box to save pp. (Probably should have gone with 487PS with racing gear box, in fact faster acceleration if doing so.) Sport tires actually works in rain, so IM tires aren't really required. SH tires, however, do struggle on Suzuka. At that particular track maybe a separate tune setting with smaller HP and better tires is preferable. EDIT2: tried racing gearbox with lower HP, does work similar. Also tried further down-tuned Escudo with basically minimal horsepower and 200kg ballast, upgrade front to SM, still similar. In the end still could not beat Amemiya@Suzuka.
Surprisingly, despite the fact that many posts have complained about this event, 100% of the replies were quite vague and always start with "I seem to remember using whatever random car I got before and it was an easy win", "Just use EV, massive lead", "Just use a Gr.4/3 car, dominating", ... It is interesting to see that experienced players have zero trouble winning this series and basically no one understands why new players struggle. This leads to a surprising situation that:
- Thousands, if not millions, 600pp tunes have been made for Tokyo expressway, to aid noob players to consistently win against AI.
- None, literally none, 600pp tune was shared to aid noob players to beat that RE Amemiya FD3S RX-7 on hard difficulty.
It is true that I can win with Taycan or Huracan IF my lap time is 2 seconds shorter than my current one, which is not a lot, considering track experience has way larger gaps for gold/silver/bronze. Talented players can literally pick up a stock 550pp car and put on IM tires and win. However, it is hard to imagine the difficulty setting that PD decided to design for these events, that a bronze-track-experience level player like me, can easily win 1st at WTC700 and WTC800, fails to catch up that Amemiya. I certainly believe that, as long as the car used is powerful enough, skill issues can be covered and a win is guaranteed. This is just so much harder for the 600pp event, as it seems 600pp tuning sacrifices SO MUCH horsepower for high PP cars.
Now let me explain why this 600pp tuning is hard.
First, the traditional way of using trashy tires on a beefy car trick does not work. I know for Tokyo 600 people use 800pp cars equipped with the worst tires in the game to lower the pp, but this will fail miserably in the menu 33 event. It is because the first map has moderate rain, and IM tires are mandatory. Tried 787B with comfort hard front and IM rear, IMPOSSIBLE to turn. The grip is so low that every sharp turn I need to slow down to like 40km/h to be able to barely turn in. Completely useless. For the second map, Suzuka, I tried with high HP tune of Taycan with SH tires. This track is basically 80% cornering, and that HP advantage is all gone when such trashy tires are used. Impossible to maintain a high speed turn and takes too long to decelerate.
The above limit basically rules out the inherent high PP cars. It requires somewhat decent tires then the HP must be lowered to an incredible level such that the value of the car is basically all gone. Then, we probably need to look at cars with low stock PPs. However, it is again hard to find a car to beat Amemiya. Amemiya RX-7 has such an incredible performance on paper. 1240kg with a massive 372HP, extremely good HP/mass ratio, with only 560+ stock PP. For road cars around that level, for example Supra '20, basically similar PP but heavier and lower HP. I don't even understand how Amemiya is able to score such low PP with such high performance. Its performance is well witnessed in the actual game. It just takes the lead further and further each lap. To add even more challenge, the AI seems to change mid race. Initially it is 40 seconds ahead of me. After 3 laps I made it to 10 seconds, but for the remaining two laps the lead AI decides to speed up and maintain such a gap, or it even beats me to extend the lead to 11 or 12 seconds. This for sure could happen because my downtuned cars literally has a lower HP/mass ratio than Amemiya.
I sincerely invite good players with knowledge on wide variety of cars and tunes to this car tune challenge. Without using engine swaps (because most new players do not have level 50) and must use IM/SS/RH tires, which car has the best on paper performance at 600pp (higher HP/mass ratio than Amemiya) and can guarantee a bronze level player the win at this event?
EDIT: I got 1/2/1 with a down-tuned Escudo, 564PS, SH front SS rear, manual instead of racing gear box to save pp. (Probably should have gone with 487PS with racing gear box, in fact faster acceleration if doing so.) Sport tires actually works in rain, so IM tires aren't really required. SH tires, however, do struggle on Suzuka. At that particular track maybe a separate tune setting with smaller HP and better tires is preferable. EDIT2: tried racing gearbox with lower HP, does work similar. Also tried further down-tuned Escudo with basically minimal horsepower and 200kg ballast, upgrade front to SM, still similar. In the end still could not beat Amemiya@Suzuka.
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Three easy wins.
) Assist Settings: TC: 3, ABS: Default, ASM: On And Countersteering Assistance: Strong and on Normal difficulty.
