No one wants to fix the Safety Rating System?

[bigTTracing]

For a big franchise that GT is, I'm confused as to how they aimed for GT Sport to revolve around online racing, yet implement and neglect to fix let alone get rid of the absolute worst rating system I've personally seen. Most of all why do people still defend this impaired system and only blame the players? If anything the garbage system caters to garbage players in the first place. For example the slightest nudge towards another driver from my end is an instant SR decrease, yet i can get a train ran on me at a braking point and the culprits receive no decrease whatsoever, let alone a penalty. Is this how it works? Criminalize the victims?
Or is Polyphony getting hard over trying to get a wide audience with their "Everyone can drive" motto.

 

[kilesa4568]

Everyone can drive is true in games. My grandson can do it and he's only 7. Sure, he crashes a lot and he's facing the wrong way most of the time but he's still driving. I won't let him do sport races but someone might with their grandson. Drive accordingly. Just in case.

Penalties will always be a sore point as I think they're an unhappy compromise to having no human judgement for incidents. If "we can't work out who's at fault so everyone is" is crap but knowing that, we could probably do more to avoid situations where it comes into play. My passes are usually easy with a seriously small (tiny!) amount of risky passes thrown in. I'm not so good with those. Good to remember for when those opportunities come up...

There's far too much bullying for passes going on though. Four second gap lunges or pulling a Rosberg in corners spring to mind... Nobody wants to drop down to the Mad Max's in lower SR's again so that's a lot of corner battles gone. I swear my hair got a lot greyer working through them so if the pass means that much to them, they can have it. I hate having to be so passive but it's the mostly predictable racing that I want to hang on to more.

 

[polizei]

no, we all love it, it's so great getting punted into the sand trap, getting a penalty, while the punter get's ahead on the track with no penalty. Super fun time!

 

[Renrag39]

It'll get better. Eventually.

 

[Johnnypenso]

It'll get better. Eventually.

Based on what?

 

[Renrag39]

Based on what?

An annoyingly optimistic outlook

 

[Shottah072]

More leniant on the penalty's and way harsher on the SR would be better imo.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

It's great the way it is. Otherwise I would have no chance getting punted to the lower end of SR.S to enjoy better match making while match making at top SR.S would become even more lonely. Besides without bad drivers in SR.S it would just be a parade showing off your qualifying lap. It already is a lot like that with the sprint races in A/S, luckily there's always the T1 bomber to shake things up....

Yes I jest. SR.S is a joke. The scoreboard is usually 80% full of red dots, sprint races often 80% red ratings as well. There are no consequences to bad driving, only advantages.

 

[tofuhero]

1) penalties should not be able to be scrubbed off
2) auto-fault the driver who rear ends another driver. If you hit someone from behind unintentionally, you were following too close behind to a) a driver trying to brake check you, or b) a driver who you haven't raced with enough to know their braking points. This would stop the punting at corners.
3) black flag system for serious penalties. first serious contact offense is a 5 second penalty, twice is 10 second, third is a black flag. instant removal from the race and you're dropped in SR/DR.

 

[AverageRacer]

I think everyone should have to do a certain amount of placement matches to determine which SR bracket they should be in. Then no matter what you're stuck in that rating for the next 15 - 20 races, after which you're either relocated or remain in the same one. That way only the most consistent drivers will be in the S ranks and there'll be no more annoying yo-yoing between ratings. The SR notifier in race would be unnecessary which is another thing which can be annoying/distracting.

I think with a system like this people would have more incentive to race clean because they would know if they mess about regularly they'll end up stuck in the low ranks for a number of races where the racing will undoubtedly be ****, vice versa if you race clean you'll stay in the top rank but without the fear that one race will undo all you're good work. I think at the moment it can almost feel as if there's no point trying to look after your SR because a few unfortunate races and immediately you're down.

 

[Macboyilija]

I think its the best penalty system ever, just it needs some (major) improvement at some points.

 

[Nuschel01]

2) auto-fault the driver who rear ends another driver. If you hit someone from behind unintentionally, you were following too close behind to a) a driver trying to brake check you, or b) a driver who you haven't raced with enough to know their braking points. This would stop the punting at corners.

That is ridiculous.
I was racing at Maggiore with the 2000GT yesterday and got quite the good exit of a corner whereas the guy in front of me got a not so good one. I then wanted to draft down the straight and overtake him but instead he just slammed on the brakes, I hit him and the guy behind me hit me. I didn‘t get an SR down and the only driver actually punished was the one behind me as nobody „gave him a boost“. That dip**** in front of me then tried to execut the exact same move again in the next lap but I was able to avoid him by centimeters and pass
TL;DR: Why should I be punished if sombody brakechecks me at the exit of a turn?

 

[JaZZyGee]

3) black flag system for serious penalties. first serious contact offense is a 5 second penalty, twice is 10 second, third is a black flag. instant removal from the race and you're dropped in SR/DR.

It's obvious this is needed. It's usually one or two drivers that continually disrupt a race

 

[Senna52]

I’ll just repost a version of what I posted in another similar thread.

Also, I’m not sure of too many other racing games that have a better system, let alone one that’s miles better.

“While I agree that you didn’t deserve a penalty, in a real race, your day is over completely. Also, in the long term, this happens from time to time but will be merely a blip in your overall SR. I think there are some issues with the penalty system, but it’s better than 95% of racing games’ penalty systems.

Just like a ball sport, a bad call will happen here and there, but it’s overall effect on a game or season is negligible.”

 

[Voodoovaj]

I'm no fan of the system, but I can't deny that better driving leads to a better DR. A better DR leads to better competitors and less penalties.

At the end of the day, everyone would be best served by improving their lap times and driving skills rather than griping about everyone else, since you can't change everyone else.

 

[thestig911]

1) penalties should not be able to be scrubbed off
2) auto-fault the driver who rear ends another driver. If you hit someone from behind unintentionally, you were following too close behind to a) a driver trying to brake check you, or b) a driver who you haven't raced with enough to know their braking points. This would stop the punting at corners.
3) black flag system for serious penalties. first serious contact offense is a 5 second penalty, twice is 10 second, third is a black flag. instant removal from the race and you're dropped in SR/DR.

Agree with all of those!

 

[TheBigMan045]

Just a small fix would be to not penalise the driver making a move on the inside and being turned in on giving me an SR drop despite being in front of the car

 

[Macboyilija]

They must be working on this and analysing the data. Thats why FIA is in test phase. It is computers doing work that people need to do. Logically that it is not flawless.

Remember ist not about being hit from behind. Its the fact that the computer thinks you were going to slow at that particular section and that you were blocking a faster person. There lies the issue. Not about being hit from behind.

Bear in mind when you have a penalty sometimes you dont brake but it magically disappears. Same reason cause on that part of the course you drive too slow and lose seconds you didnt know about.

Just a little patience and it will be even better I’m sure.

 

[PJTierney]

No one wants to fix the Safety Rating System?

It's not "our job" to "fix" the Safety Rating system, it's Polyphony's and they have far more resources and data than a bunch of people on a community forum.

Just play the game and let them deal with it.

 

[JulesDennis]

It's not "our job" to "fix" the Safety Rating system, it's Polyphony's and they have far more resources and data than a bunch of people on a community forum.

Just play the game and let them deal with it.

Its true mate,its their job to fix the problems of their rating system.
Still,how long do we have to wait for things to improve?
We all have been talking about this since the beta about the rating system not working.....

 

[ChevapBH]

As someone who came from Forza, you have no idea how good you have it in GTS, seriously. Multiply your crashes by 100 and you get online in Forza.

 

[BSDShoes]

I think penalties need to be addressed more than the DR/SR system atm. I've been given 10 second penalties for being rear ended or cut off in a corner while I was driving normally, or receiving penalties for passing ghosted cars on yellow flags.

As someone who came from Forza, you have no idea how good you have it in GTS, seriously. Multiply your crashes by 100 and you get online in Forza.

I love Forza, but when it comes to playing it online, you'd have to take 4 lines of coke before entering lobbies. It's so frigging terrible.

 

[Robben]

I think penalties need to be addressed more than the DR/SR system atm. I've been given 10 second penalties for being rear ended or cut off in a corner while I was driving normally, or receiving penalties for passing ghosted cars on yellow flags.

Tbh I think the unfair distribution of SR is more of a concern to me than the very occasional unfair time penalty. Although the time penalty thing is much easier to fix (cancel penalties for yellow flag)...

I love Forza, but when it comes to playing it online, you'd have to take 4 lines of coke before entering lobbies. It's so frigging terrible.

 

[Brn_Space]

I get the occasional bad race or even in the extreme punt for someone that did it to you on the first turn of the first lap... However if you race consistently the same, trying to race clean and fast but not wreckless than I believe you will be placed where you belong.

I've raced 900 races or so and primarily race in Dr b-a and SR b-a and after all those races... it's about where I belong...as long as I race consistently the same or try to.

I have dropped to E and been up to S SR several times but to stay in E you have to purposely drive terrible and to stay at S you must be competitive because if not you will cause mayhem!

But I understand the frustration with penalties as a lot of them aren't dealt fairly to each driver but IMO the rating and ranking of the Dr/SR algorithm isn't that bad at placing like minded and skilled drivers together.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

I got nailed twice by unfair penalties on Dragontrail last night, which did not disappear with normal racing. I carried a 5 sec yellow flag penalty from lap 1 all the way to the finish to lose positions there. Another one I got hit at the apex pushing my car into a slight shortcut, also stood until the end.

I'm all for permanent penalties yet this needs to be fixed. Yellow flag penalties for passing the accident needs to go as well as penalties resulting from getting hit.

 

[ItIsOkBro]

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That is ridiculous.
I was racing at Maggiore with the 2000GT yesterday and got quite the good exit of a corner whereas the guy in front of me got a not so good one. I then wanted to draft down the straight and overtake him but instead he just slammed on the brakes, I hit him and the guy behind me hit me. I didn‘t get an SR down and the only driver actually punished was the one behind me as nobody „gave him a boost“. That dip**** in front of me then tried to execut the exact same move again in the next lap but I was able to avoid him by centimeters and pass
TL;DR: Why should I be punished if sombody brakechecks me at the exit of a turn?

I get concerns over brake checking but it shouldn't have been at the sacrifice of detecting rammers. Right now you can just punt dudes off the track. I say PD should do a little weekend experiment and punish all rear enders and we'll see if it becomes a brake checking hell.

 

[vvise]

Post some replays, most people don't know they're the ones causing half the incidents they're complaining about. You can avoid accidents you know...

• If you're concerned someone is going to ram you because of late braking, get off the racing line and let them overshoot you. Sure you will loose 0.5 of a second, but then you don't have create a gtplanet account and complain about it.
• Do you think someone is going to push you wide in a corner because you're side by side and you have the outside line? Then use your brakes and let them pass, chances are if they were counting on your car to help make the corner they will fly wide and you get your spot back.

You don't have to race at 100% the entire race, just concede a spot every now and then and you will clear up 90% of your accidents, get to SR S, and basically stop worrying about it.

 

[CastrolNSXJGTCJ]

You don't have to race at 100% the entire race, just concede a spot every now and then and you will clear up 90% of your accidents, get to SR S, and basically stop worrying about it.

There's never a perfect fix for all situations but I agree with your whole post. In addition, being aware that your braking point comes earlier when following another driver(s) would be really helpful if it could catch on. I've been punted, then sought after an entire race for appearing to brake check someone when in fact I was modifying my braking point so I did not punt the lead in front of me (Turn 1 of Monza?). Being the man in the middle you look terrible to two people; the person who ran you over and the person you push thanks to the shove from behind.

 

[JulesDennis]

Post some replays, most people don't know they're the ones causing half the incidents they're complaining about. You can avoid accidents you know...

Sometimes yes,sometimes no....

• If you're concerned someone is going to ram you because of late braking, get off the racing line and let them overshoot you. Sure you will loose 0.5 of a second, but then you don't have create a gtplanet account and complain about it.

This can work if you dont actually race.If you want to race this is not something that works.

• Do you think someone is going to push you wide in a corner because you're side by side and you have the outside line? Then use your brakes and let them pass, chances are if they were counting on your car to help make the corner they will fly wide and you get your spot back.

Again this is not racing.Both points are "Let people pass you if you think they gonna race dirty.Solves nothing at all and not even close being a valid point for an SR system not working as it should.

You don't have to race at 100% the entire race, just concede a spot every now and then and you will clear up 90% of your accidents, get to SR S, and basically stop worrying about it.

I've been SR S all the time and never dropped out of it.Still the amount of dirty racing is too much to stop worring about it....

 

[vvise]

Again this is not racing.Both points are "Let people pass you if you think they gonna race dirty.Solves nothing at all and not even close being a valid point for an SR system not working as it should.

I guess we disagree on what racing is then. Sometimes conceding a risky position is worth it. If I'm faster I'll gain it back cleanly. If I'm not faster and they maintain it, they earned it.

There are race incidents sometimes where no one is really at fault, there is risk in racing hard. The first few laps in this clip are very chaotic with plenty of contact, but you can see for the most part people make room for racing lines and back out of corners if they think they're beat (the first hairpin goes 3 wide and someone gets taken out).