Non-American Perspectives of the NFL (American Football)

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Well, I am in the States and grew up watching American Football. Because of that, I have always understood and loved it.

But

I have always wondered what people outside of the U.S. think of the sport. You can bash the sport or you can praise it. I am just curious and want to hear genuine perspectives of those outside of the U.S.

(However, I do reserve the right to respectively disagree) ;)
 
Awesome I will definitely read that thread. However, I didn't want it to be a sport v. sport type debate. So, I framed it the way that I did. However, if this needs to be moved. Please do. 👍
 
No, quite the opposite, I hate when people rudely go into somebody's thread to say it's unnecessary.

I agree that this is a different topic, that thread just has a bit of supplemental material if you will.

plus i'm not a mod so I can't move anything anyway lol
 
I'm from the UK, and I have to say that American football is brilliant! I first got interested after playing John Maddens on the Megadrive, back in the early 90's (and up until 2004, I religiously brought every Maddens game). I used to watch the coverage on Channel Four back in the day too; When Brett Favre was QB for the Packers (my fave team), and that Saunders guy was ruling the roost at the Falcons, before he moved to the Cowboys.

I haven't followed the sport in the last few years though, but I was pricing up an ESPN subscription with Sky the other day, with the intention of once again get back in touch with this great game!
 
Permission to be brutally honest?


NFL is for wimps who require padding and constant stoppage of play so they can catch their breath back. In short, they are soft and unfit. :)

Here is a highlights vid of a season in the Australian Rugby League.






Note: Someone else could probably find a better vid - I just searched for 10 seconds.


Go green bay!
 
I think a better question is:

What the hell is up with Canadian and Australian football?
 
I'm from the UK, and I have to say that American football is brilliant! I first got interested after playing John Maddens on the Megadrive, back in the early 90's (and up until 2004, I religiously brought every Maddens game). I used to watch the coverage on Channel Four back in the day too; When Brett Favre was QB for the Packers (my fave team), and that Saunders guy was ruling the roost at the Falcons, before he moved to the Cowboys.

I haven't followed the sport in the last few years though, but I was pricing up an ESPN subscription with Sky the other day, with the intention of once again get back in touch with this great game!

That is awesome to hear that some friends from across the pond enjoy the sport. 👍

In regard to Favre, there has been a lot of controversy surrounding him lately. He has now announced he will be quarterbacking the Vikings for the 2nd year in a row.

Sanders is now a football analyst and definitely was great to watch in his prime.

Also, you may want to go to nfl.com because I believe they allow people outside the U.S. to stream games for a yearly cost.


Permission to be brutally honest?


NFL is for wimps who require padding and constant stoppage of play so they can catch their breath back. In short, they are soft and unfit. :)

Here is a highlights vid of a season in the Australian Rugby League.






Note: Someone else could probably find a better vid - I just searched for 10 seconds.


Go green bay!


Definitely saw this comment coming. ;) But yea please be brutally honest. 👍

No doubt rugby players are definitely tough. NFL players used to not wear pads but that has changed over the years. Probably because they are just different sports.

A LOT of the time American football players are looking at other things while someone is standing around "head hunting". Looking to catch a pass and BOOM from his blind side. Or looking to throw a pass and BOOM he gets lit up. So, it is very often that people are not preparing for a hit and this makes it worse.

Now, I am not saying rugby players are ALWAYS looking at the person that hits them, but more often. And I bet you see the biggest rugby hits when the person that was hit was looking the other way. This just happens a LOT in American football.

Plus the difference in size from one player to another is tremendous. 300 lb guy running full steam at a 180 lb guy who is trying to throw the ball and BOOM.

But yea I have mad respect for rugby players, but to think the NFL is full of "wimps" is pretty much wrong.

By the way, here is a big-hit montage similar to the rugby one.



Also, here is a video of the best player on my favorite team. Just to show the different sides of American football. Dude is a video game. :dopey:

 
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I think the size differentiation between American football players makes the sport pretty dangerous. Players build and practice for specific roles, therefore some specialize in powerful blocking while other guys just need to catch the ball and be light on their feet. Having those two guys collide sometimes turns out pretty bad for the little guy. For example, when quarter backs run they often fall or slide to avoid being tackled because their role is too important to the team to risk an injury.
 
That also occurs in rugby. Your scrum half won't weigh more than 180lb and your prop-forward... the sky's the limit.

Plus rugby has a position called "hooker".
 
Love American Football. More so than i do football (soccer).

I try to follow it as much as i can but coverage on British TV is patchy at best. It's generally shown late on a Monday night and i always forget it's on - sport's a weekend thing isn't it?

There's always been two teams i follow, the Dolphins and the Steelers. My best friend at primary school was an American kid whose dad worked at the local US base, he was a Steelers fan and i loved the logo!

The Dolphin's connection i think was just because of the glamour and the fact that their Quarterback at the time was Dan Marino. ;)

My only gripe with it is the stop-start nature of the game. An hour's sport lasts 3 or 4.
 
I could never get into the sport with all the stoppages. Yes, there are some big hits but to me that's just to keep the crowd entertained (so that everyone can high-five each other).
 
Not to mention how silly a 300 pound black man in tights and an oversized helmet looks :lol:

This

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Plus this

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And this

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Equals many lulz
 
In regard to Favre, there has been a lot of controversy surrounding him lately. He has now announced he will be quarterbacking the Vikings for the 2nd year in a row.

Favre is still playing? I thought that he would have retired by now, I really do need to get back in to the NFL. 👍

Sanders is now a football analyst and definitely was great to watch in his prime.

Sauanders was a star, and particularly good at returning kicks. He also liked to showboat a lot! :sly:

I also liked Emmett Smith of the Dallas Cowboys, he was an unbelievable running back. 👍

But yea I have mad respect for rugby players, but to think the NFL is full of "wimps" is pretty much wrong.

This is the same old arguement, and one that I have had countless times with many people. NFL players may wear protection, but the protection is cancelled out by the fact that the other guy is too. I'm quite sure that a 300lb guy running head down into your chest is going to smart, no matter what you are wearing!
 
This is the same old arguement, and one that I have had countless times with many people. NFL players may wear protection, but the protection is cancelled out by the fact that the other guy is too. I'm quite sure that a 300lb guy running head down into your chest is going to smart, no matter what you are wearing!

Compare a head-on 30mph crash between two Minis and two MINIs.

The MINIs have crumple zones (protection). Each squishes, but the dude inside is fine. He can do it again. And again. And again.

The Minis don't have crumple zones. Neither squishes and the dude inside will be thinking about dosing up on ibuprofen and paracetamol for the next couple of weeks.


The protection isn't "cancelled out" by the other guy wearing protection. It's enhanced by the other guy wearing protection. If I go warp six into a hockey keeper, I'll be in pain and he'll still be playing, whereas two keepers hitting each other would be like fat guys in sumo suits.

I'm sure a 300lb guy moving at 15mph hurts if you're both padded. If you're not padded, or neither of you are, you're going to hospital. Or playing Rugby. American Football padding permits more, more severe and more frequent hits while not affecting career length.

Incidentally, I hate rugby and quite like American Football.
 
American Football padding permits more, more severe and more frequent hits while not affecting career length.

I'm no expert on football, but it seems the media portray many retired NFL players as drooling, brain-damaged and homeless dependents.

I wonder if some of these players aren't getting too big for their own good? Perhaps weight limits like in auto racing would be in order.
 
I'm no expert on football, but it seems the media portray many retired NFL players as drooling, brain-damaged and homeless dependents.

And they portray aspiring NFL players as drooling, brain-damaged, listless egomaniacs. Put on any "teen drama/comedy" you wish for more examples.

I wouldn't be in a hurry to draw any conclusions from either.
 
But those 300 pounders can probably keep up with my skinny frame. Whatever sport you're talking about, it takes a lot of power to move a body that big.
 
Permission to be brutally honest?


NFL is for wimps who require padding and constant stoppage of play so they can catch their breath back. In short, they are soft and unfit. :)

Here is a highlights vid of a season in the Australian Rugby League.



Put an average Rugby team against the average American football team, in either Rugby or Football. I think you'd be surprised at how the "soft and unfit" players would perform.
 
If these guys are unfit and soft, I would like to see what "fit" is.
Adrian Wilson(Arizona Cardinals)

*slight language warning!!!


Jarron Gilbert(Chicago Bears)
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There are several other videos, but I think those two prove the whole "unfit" thing wrong.
 
I might aswell quote my post from the other thread.

I actually quite like American football, although I would say I prefer soccer.

My main issue with American football, is how stop-start the game is. It's a few seconds burst of play, and then immediately snapping out of character, and ambling around for a bit until play resumes. With such stopping and starting, there is little fluidity to the game and thus I can find it hard to get into if its not an engaging match. Then there are the advertisement breaks (which I am convinced are the reason behind each break in play taking so long), these contribute to stop-start feeling of the game and break the excitement and tension up too much for me.

While it is is a 90 minute game just like soccer, these breaks in play can make matches last two or three hours, which means half of the time I'm watching nothing happen. Sure tactics, and plays are discussed but it really starts to drag on - and then I am hit with another advert. :indiff:

The best thing about American football for me (apart from the tackles) is how territorial it is, grinding yards out and gaining land. It reminds me of 'capture the flag' style games I used to play on video games. The closer you get to the scoring, the more the opponents start to dig in and try and push you back, and you need to use you're head to gain that final bit of distance required to win.

I can understand why people don't soccer, if both teams adopt defensive strategies, the ball just goes back and forward in the midfield without ever really threatening either goal, its likely that both teams will go a full 90 minutes without even scoring and it can make for very tedious viewing. What I enjoy about soccer from a viewing perspective, is that while goal tally's are often low, a goal can materialise out of seemingly nowhere and this can completely change the game. A team can be on top and dominating but at only 1-0 up, the other team can easily score an equaliser in a moment, despite being against the run of play. This adds the unpredictability to a game, and its the sort of thing you don't tend to see in games like basketball which you highlighted. Since basketball is such a high scoring game, how well you're team is playing is almost defined by the scoreline, this is less likely to be the case in low scoring games such as soccer. While this is obviously most rewarding to the better team, it takes a certain amount of unpredictability out of the game, which is why I don't find basketball too interesting to watch.

I don't get to see all that much American football, but the stuff I do get to watch is all at the top level. It's obviously a game that is great from a commercial perspective, all the breaks in in play are a great time for an advert. In fact, part of me gets the feeling, that the long breaks in play are intentionally there to boost advertising revenue and bring more money to the game, or then again, perhaps its just me being a cynical person. If it is the case however, I can't really blame the organizing body for making that decision. If that is the case though, I suspect I would derive more enjoyment from an amateur event, which would surely be less commercially driven and hopefully as a result, a bit less stop start.

To summarise, I like the sport, but I find watching it tedious, purely for how long a game takes. If I could watch highlights without adverts that shorted the match to about an hour and a half, I would love it.
 
Put an average Rugby team against the average American football team, in either Rugby or Football. I think you'd be surprised at how the "soft and unfit" players would perform.

Believe it or not but the U.S has had a national rugby league team before and they've played Australia's too. Last game I saw Australia scored 50 points in the second half alone. You get a maximum 6 points for a 'touchdown' in league.






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I'm trying to find footage of Shane Webcke playing in our version of the play offs with a freshly broken arm, cast and all but it doesn't look like anyone's uploaded it to youtube :(
 
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All the players that are good at Rugby will, in America, be playing football. Take the best America has to offer, and the best another country has to offer, and pit them against each other in their respective games, and I'm pretty sure everyone will be surprised some way or another.

And by the way, I tend to not watch any kind of sport, save for motorsport.
 
All the players that are good at Rugby will, in America, be playing football. Take the best America has to offer, and the best another country has to offer, and pit them against each other in their respective games, and I'm pretty sure everyone will be surprised some way or another.
Teams would dominate their respective games. Their skills have been specialized for years, so a football player would be terrible at rugby and vice versa. The only place you'd be able to see their similarities is in the workout room, or in general fitness tests like track events. They would probably perform similarly in events like that but not while playing each other's sport.
 
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