Nordschleife time discrepancies

[Nismo34]

That would work but how do you put down the controller or let go of the wheel with one hand and hit the stop-watch or clock at the same time you cross the line. That can be a bit of a pain.

Start it on a straight where you only really need one hand on the wheel/controller and worry about throttle? Once you time it, put the stop watch down do the lap. When you approach the straight, let go of one hand, pick up stop watch and stop it once you reach the point?

 

[zr1chris]

Start it on a straight where you only really need one hand on the wheel/controller and worry about throttle? Once you time it, put the stop watch down do the lap. When you approach the straight, let go of one hand, pick up stop watch and stop it once you reach the point?

Yeah like I said you could do it that way. With my luck I would look down to grab the watch and accidentally veer off even if it's just enough to touch the grass and screw up the lap or just plain forget to pick up the stopwatch after being so focused on just driving for 8-9 straight minutes.

 

[Nismo34]

Yeah like I said you could do it that way. With my luck I would look down to grab the watch and accidentally veer off even if it's just enough to touch the grass and screw up the lap or just plain forget to pick up the stopwatch after being so focused on just driving for 8-9 straight minutes.

Use the replay instead... Stop at a point. Do the lap past that same point. Save the replay, time it in the replay theatre instead?

 

[zr1chris]

Use the replay instead... Stop at a point. Do the lap past that same point. Save the replay, time it in the replay theatre instead?

That's a good idea as well. 👍

 

[Ryan81]

you got me. Love the debate turning to a personal attack. not being sensitive but that will get you booted from this place. so take what I mentioned and use it to build a strong caseor don't. but don't make it a personal attack on those who don't share your views.

A strong case in what way? I simply created a debate which specifically looks at the lap time differences on the Nordshcleife and why this was the case. If you personally don't like the topic for whatever reason (which you clearly don't) then perhaps it would be easier to not get involved?

 

[SeaNNyT]

People at FM.net have tested the track, it's not really debatable, IT IS LONGER.

Simple test. Drive a set low speed around the track, then use some math and you should come to the well known conclusion that the track is around 15 m in length.

 

[Ryan81]

You can go backwards and warm up the tyres, provided you dont hit a wall or cut the grass the lap tie will still be valid. Theres the warm tyres solution...



But there is still 1 major flaw... GT5, you start at the pit straight, after the long straight, in FM4, you start on the long straight. The resulting difference is an overall time loss in having to accelerate up to speed in FM4 where as GT5 will have the faster run down the straight and not have to get up to speed...

Another solution would be to pick a part of track, like a line or something thats visible on both, and self-time the lap using a phone, stopwatch or other device to serve the same purpose...



How is it longer? I'll accept wider (although I really dont see all that much difference in width between GT5 and FM4, its still a pain to overtake) but how is it longer? Do we actually have proof to say it's 2.5km longer?

I don't but if I look at the time discrepancies, it does seem to make sense. Also, from personal experience, some sections on Forza do seem to be slightly longer than GT5's version.

 

[Nismo34]

People at FM.net have tested the track, it's not really debatable, IT IS LONGER.

Simple test. Drive a set low speed around the track, then use some math and you should come to the well known conclusion that the track is around 15 m in length.

That test seems rather tedious... And I still cant seem to accept the fact its longer... What I will do is I will run 3 laps (4 if I can really be bothered (3 timed laps total)) on the Nurb now on FM4, and then when the sun decides to come up, I will run 2 timed laps on GT5 (Or 3 If Im really bored..) I'll then compare the times and work out the difference (If there is any...)

Car suggestions?

 

[Nismo34]

So, 40 minutes and 80km later...

The car I picked: Volkswagen Mk VI Golf R

Lap 1) 9:33.614
Lap 2) 9:36.575
Lap 3) 9:30.296

Average lap: ~9:33.XXX

Anyone have any problems?

 

[shawtyoner]

So, 40 minutes and 80km later...

The car I picked: Volkswagen Mk VI Golf R

Lap 1) 9:33.614
Lap 2) 9:36.575
Lap 3) 9:30.296

Average lap: ~9:33.XXX

Anyone have any problems?

Do you have GT5? Can you run the same test and show results? EDIT: Sorry, didn't see the last of your post above.

 

[Nismo34]

Yes, I will run the test, once I can get to the PS3, and I will try and get 3 timed laps done just like the FM4 test so we have a nice comparable set of data.

 

[imported_JJ72]

um..just by common sense, if the track is wider but not longer, the laptime should be shorter. So if the laptime is longer in Forza it pretty much must be longer, as on most other track Forza's laptime is a tad quicker than real life.

 

[zr1chris]

um..just by common sense, if the track is wider but not longer, the laptime should be shorter. So if the laptime is longer in Forza it pretty much must be longer, as on most other track Forza's laptime is a tad quicker than real life.

I think the entire track has been scaled up which has made the track wider and longer.

 

[t.o.]

I think we really need to just put this subject to rest guys. lol
Ok say the track is scaled up on all axises then , in theory, one could actually be faster on the longer track. A turn that required you to tap the break and get off the throttle could now possibly allow one to go flat out. So the time in distance would be compensated for the additional speed allowed. Who knows how it works out but there are too many variables involved to even start comparing.

 

[Scaff]

um..just by common sense, if the track is wider but not longer, the laptime should be shorter. So if the laptime is longer in Forza it pretty much must be longer, as on most other track Forza's laptime is a tad quicker than real life.

You can't make the track wider without changing the corner radius and as a result the course will always get wider.

It would be like taking two concentric circles, placing the outside one further way to make the gap bigger and then not expecting the circumference of the outer circle to be bigger.


Scaff

 

[Spagetti69]

What's a Tad?

 

[I'm Motarded]

What's a Tad?

English terminology; Tad = Bit, slightly or small amount.
Not to be confused with; Tadpole = Small amphibian.

 

[hennessey86]

The ring in Forza is widely known to be longer than the real thing


http://youtu.be/frkOJYzZKXg

 

[tomcat66]

Wouldnt it make the most sense to take a car that is in both games and compare the lap times to the car's real Nürburgring laptimes?

The '08 GT-R would be a possibility, the 458, the Viper SRT-10 ACR would work as far as rather fast cars go, for example, or the Honda NSX, the E92 M3 and the E60 M5 for some midrange stuff. You could go down the performance scale even further, towards the S2000, or the Mk. V Golf GTI.

Laptimes can be found here.

Hi. I had to smile. I wanted to suggest the same - not only compairing the 2 games but also the real life lap times.

I did that test once with Shift 1 a long time ago. Trying to be faster than the real life lap times. And I did it with most cars. And then I did realize that the real life lap times had a rolling start and Shift has a standing start - just like FM4

But one car was impossible to beat - and that is the Nissan GT-R. Even the old record of 7,29 of Nissan driver Tochio Suzuki was impossible to reach. And now they have even made a better time with the 2012 model: 7,21. That was an amazing ride and a fantastic time.

If you want to see him drive - here is the onboard video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DvdoSqLck38

 

[Nismo34]

The ring in Forza is widely known to be longer than the real thing


http://youtu.be/frkOJYzZKXg

Now, someone repeat with GT5.. I would.. But around work and sharing PS3 with numerous siblings, I dont have access....