North Korea, Sanctions, and Kim Jong-un

[huskeR32]

These are people that did not grow up with God.

And?

 

[Johnnypenso]

And?

And read the rest of his response?

 

[Sprite]

According to Nuke Map this is the prospect of a U.S. B-83 drop on Pyongyang...

Effects radii for 1.2 megaton surface burst (smallest to largest):▼



Fireball radius: 1.35 km (5.73 km²)
Maximum size of the nuclear fireball; relevance to lived effects depends on height of detonation. If it touches the ground, the amount of radioactive fallout is significantly increased.

Air blast radius (20 psi): 2.31 km (16.8 km²)
At 20 psi overpressure, heavily built concrete buildings are severely damaged or demolished; fatalities approach 100%.

Radiation radius (500 rem): 2.56 km (20.6 km²)
500 rem radiation dose; without medical treatment, there can be expected between 50% and 90% mortality from acute effects alone. Dying takes between several hours and several weeks.

Air blast radius (5 psi): 4.86 km (74.4 km²)
At 5 psi overpressure, most residential buildings collapse, injuries are universal, fatalities are widespread.

Thermal radiation radius (3rd degree burns): 11.6 km (420 km²)
Third degree burns extend throughout the layers of skin, and are often painless because they destroy the pain nerves. They can cause severe scarring or disablement, and can require amputation. 100% probability for 3rd degree burns at this yield is 11.4 cal/cm2.Note: Rounding accounts for any inconsistencies in the above numbers.

Estimated total-dose fallout contours for a 1.2 megaton surface burst (50% fission) with a 15 mph wind: ▼

Fallout contour for 1 rads per hour:

• Maximum downwind cloud distance: 407 km
• Maximum width: 105 km
• Approximate area affected: 33,980 km²

Fallout contour for 10 rads per hour:

• Maximum downwind cloud distance: 294 km
• Maximum width: 71.7 km
• Approximate area affected: 17,010 km²

Fallout contour for 100 rads per hour:

• Maximum downwind cloud distance: 181 km
• Maximum width: 38.7 km
• Approximate area affected: 5,840 km²

Fallout contour for 1,000 rads per hour:

• Maximum downwind cloud distance: 68.4 km
• Maximum width: 5.65 km
• Approximate area affected: 473 km²

I really have no idea how accurate this would be though. My knowlage on these kind of things isn't great.

 

[huskeR32]

And read the rest of his response?

I don't see that anything else in the rest of his post is related to the lack of belief in the Abrahamic god.

Unless he's implying that that lack of belief has somehow allowed the "Kim mythology" to thrive, which is what I'm looking for clarification on.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I don't see that anything else in the rest of his post is related to the lack of belief in the Abrahamic god.

Unless he's implying that that lack of belief has somehow allowed the "Kim mythology" to thrive, which is what I'm looking for clarification on.

Where was the Abrahamic God mentioned? The rest of the post explains it if you care to read. He's suggesting they don't have any God outside of Kim Jong Un. It's clearly written in his post.

 

[TenEightyOne]

These are people that did not grow up with God. All they have known is the legend of the Great Leader.

Apart from the 40-odd-percent that grew up with Buddhism, Cheondism or Shamanism, all of which have deistic figures and representations. There's only about half-a-million Christians left, that's true.

 

[Famine]

I really have no idea how accurate this would be though. My knowlage on these kind of things isn't great.

Switch it out for an airburst rather than surface detonation - although the B-83 is designed for either (and I can't remember if it was intended as a nuclear bunker buster as well), it's likely to be used as an airburst weapon for destroying a specific target with minimal residual effects outside the blast zone, rather than a ground weapon with oodles of fallout heading towards China and Vladivostok.

 

[huskeR32]

Where was the Abrahamic God mentioned? The rest of the post explains it if you care to read. He's suggesting they don't have any God outside of Kim Jong Un. It's clearly written in his post.

He didn't say "These are people who didn't grow up with any gods," he said "These are people who didn't grow up with God."

If he didn't mean to imply any specific deity, then fair enough, I'll move along. However, I think I'll let him speak for himself on that one.

 

[Swagger897]

rather than a ground weapon with oodles of fallout heading towards China and Vladivostok.

Let alone the only viable route aircraft have between the west coast and that of Asia.

 

[Obelisk]

I thought I'd leave some interesting North Korea facts here and here.

Quick warning, the first one references meth. Both have been verified by multiple articles, so a quick google search can help you if you are skeptical.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Kim J is not trying to isolate himself from the entire world by pissing off the Chinese now:
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/0...g-directly-criticizes-china-in-rare-move.html

One of the signs of impending suicide:

Isolation in the workplace, living alone
I can’t express this enough: Suicide attempts rarely happen in front of people. I’ve walked in on attempts, even showed up when it was too late, but the actual attempt is usually done in isolation. This is actually pretty easy to spot. Are they eating lunch alone a lot at school? At work? Are they avoiding conversations? Are they texting instead of calling? Depression makes you want to avoid human interaction. If you pay attention, you’re going to notice if this is happening.

 

[Omnis]

He didn't say "These are people who didn't grow up with any gods," he said "These are people who didn't grow up with God."

If he didn't mean to imply any specific deity, then fair enough, I'll move along. However, I think I'll let him speak for himself on that one.

Don't preen your smug atheism to distract from what I'm trying to say. My meaning was clear as day and nitpicking a "specific deity" is a sophomoric distraction from the real conversation.

The cult of Communism exists to squeeze out any competition from the divine. You'd be surprised what 3 generations of retribution and the prospect of familial annihilation would make people believe. I'd expect the dumbest and poorest of the peasantry to have loyalty to the regime out of such psychological conditioning. But maybe I underestimate them. Either way, there would be some fighting as the Kim loyalists would need to be completely debrided from society.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

The cult of Communism exists to squeeze out any competition from the divine.

North Korea isn't communist. They practice juche, a kind of self-sufficiency under siege with elements of ethnic nationalism and a distinctly Korean flavour. While it has its origins in communism, the modern practice has about as much in common with communism as Bolshevism did.

Secondly, the Russian model of communism didn't exist purely to stamp out religious practice. The legitimacy of the Romanov dynasty was sustained by the close relationship between the Tsar and the Russian Orthodox Church. Under Marxism-Leninism, suppressing religion was more about thwarting any potential counter-revolution because despite breaking the power of the Romanovs, the aristocracy still had a lot of power to wield; there is a curious foible of Russian politics called vlast which roughly translates as "right to rule" - a leader can name his preferred successor and the people will accept that person as the most legitimate successor. It's how Putin rose to power from relative obscurity; Yeltsin named him. A lot of that power comes from the close relationship between church and state, so the Soviet crackdown on religion was motivated more by a desire to prevent an uprising than by a lack of faith.

Furthermore, pure communism sees itself as socially just, as opposed to capitalism, which it views as corrupt by favouring the rich and powerful at the expense of the underclasses. Religion has very little to do with it.

 

[Omnis]

It's all the same thing. State worship.

 

[TenEightyOne]

The cult of Communism exists to squeeze out any competition from the divine.

Except they're not communist and there's plenty of competition from the divine (as already demonstrated in very recent posts). Whether or not those divinations are state-manipulated is another question, but if they were then then that would put NK in very good company.

 

[LeMansAid]

Another Commie-related, spit-spraying, loony rant incoming?

I'll get the PФPКФЯЙ.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

It's all the same thing.

Nope. Not even close.

 

[UKMikey]

Another Commie-related, spit-spraying, loony rant incoming?

I'll get the PФPКФЯЙ.

May I suggest "Red"-enbacher's?

 

[JKgo]

...I've been reading this piece on South Korea's ongoing Presidential election and had a really good laugh.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-39801447

Apparently, the opinion poll leader is a candidate named Moon Jae-in. My Korean may be rough, but even I can translate that - it means "a problematic person." How bizarre would it be, to elect a leader named Problematic?!

Oh, dear.

 

[Johnnypenso]

North Korea isn't communist. They practice juche, a kind of self-sufficiency under siege with elements of ethnic nationalism and a distinctly Korean flavour. While it has its origins in communism, the modern practice has about as much in common with communism as Bolshevism did.

Secondly, the Russian model of communism didn't exist purely to stamp out religious practice. The legitimacy of the Romanov dynasty was sustained by the close relationship between the Tsar and the Russian Orthodox Church. Under Marxism-Leninism, suppressing religion was more about thwarting any potential counter-revolution because despite breaking the power of the Romanovs, the aristocracy still had a lot of power to wield; there is a curious foible of Russian politics called vlast which roughly translates as "right to rule" - a leader can name his preferred successor and the people will accept that person as the most legitimate successor. It's how Putin rose to power from relative obscurity; Yeltsin named him. A lot of that power comes from the close relationship between church and state, so the Soviet crackdown on religion was motivated more by a desire to prevent an uprising than by a lack of faith.

Furthermore, pure communism sees itself as socially just, as opposed to capitalism, which it views as corrupt by favouring the rich and powerful at the expense of the underclasses. Religion has very little to do with it.

It's just another variation on the communism theme, focused on the cult of the "great leader" and isolationism/self reliance. Juche is just a giant scam, to deify a psychotic leader and keep his family in power.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Apparently, the opinion poll leader is a candidate named Moon Jae-in. My Korean may be rough, but even I can translate that - it means "a problematic person." How bizarre would it be, to elect a leader named Problematic?!

Or "fart", or "potty", to roughly translate two superpower leaders

 

[huskeR32]

Don't preen your smug atheism to distract from what I'm trying to say.

My meaning was clear as day

No, it really wasn't.

Religion was introduced to the conversation here:

But my estimate is that uneducated rural farmers in North Korea are likely to have a strong affinity with nature gods (animism) and uneducated South Korean farmers.

You responded to that here:

There is no animism, just the romantic state.

Having addressed Dotini's original thought, you continued on:

These are people that did not grow up with God.

It's not 100% clear to me whether that was a vaguely worded continuation of your reply to the question of animism, or a new statement specific to the lack of Abrahamic faith in North Korea.

Had you used god instead of God, I could have fairly confidently assumed the former. But you didn't, and it left open the possibility of the latter.

nitpicking a "specific deity" is a sophomoric distraction from the real conversation.

Capitalizing (or not capitalizing) the word "god" has implications. Languages work best when people follow those conventions.

Not following those conventions introduces uncertainty, and it's fair game to ask for clarification.

You'll notice I even allowed that I was reading it wrong:

If he didn't mean to imply any specific deity, then fair enough, I'll move along.

Oh, how smug of me!

And as far as what's sophomoric around here, it's your ad hominem post.

 

[UKMikey]

Or "fart", or "potty", to roughly translate two superpower leaders

Is that what Putin means? Live and learn...

 

[UKMikey]

Double post... what's wrong with me today...

 

[Dotini]

Is that what Putin means? Live and learn...

I wouldn't trust those definitions until adequate formal documentation had been produced. Ten-Ate-Anyone has a nervous proclivity to dream up anal or fecal nonsense material when it suits his mysterious purposes. He may suffer from an interest in or preoccupation with excrement and excretion.

 

[UKMikey]

I wouldn't trust those definitions until adequate formal documentation had been produced.

Taken in like a chump... regrettably, the Wiktionary definition is a little more prosaic and less scatalogical.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Путин#Russian

From путь (putʹ, “way, path, road”) +‎ -ин (-in, “possessive suffix”), from Proto-Slavic *pǫtь, from Proto-Balto-Slavic*pont- / *pint-, from Proto-Indo-European *p(o)nt-h₁-.

 

[ryzno]

I'll just leave this here...

North Korea claims US 'biochemical' plot to kill Kim Jong Un

 

[Northstar]

It sounds pretty ludicrous, which is a trademark of U.S. assassination attempts. It may very well be true!

 

[prisonermonkeys]

It sounds pretty ludicrous, which is a trademark of U.S. assassination attempts. It may very well be true!

Weren't there attempts to kill Castro with poisoned cigars and exploding molluscs? Or are they just urban legends?

 

[Blood Eagle]

Has anyone seen Seth Rogan or James Franco lately?