NTSC Championship S2 - Round 6 of 8 - (Finished)

[The Outlaw]

I'm going to do some testing with the F40 right now. I'll report back in a few 👍

 

[Earth]

CWR towed me around the track last night . But following someone in dirty air around this track in this car is not easy. You're going 5-20mph faster into most corners, and the front end slides around in the turbulence.

I am starting to honestly think the DFP is costing me .5 in the degner curves because of of the combination of it's size and how close I sit to the wheel...I can't turn the wheel fast and sharp enough, everyone since the beginning of time has eaten me up in those two corners. I will always be a B driver at Suzuka until I get a better bigger wheel or somehow figure those 2 corners out.

 

[The Outlaw]

Just got done after a quick tuning session. My best was a 2'07.339 after about 5 laps with a decent baseline tune. This car is definately a challenge to get dialed in! I'm off for some more laps...👍

 

[Earth]

Just got done after a quick tuning session. My best was a 2'07.339 after about 5 laps with a decent baseline tune. This car is definately a challenge to get dialed in! I'm off for some more laps...👍

Nice lap.

I am planning on changing my racing line for the first right hander in the esses, then I'm going to work on degner.

 

[The Outlaw]

Nice lap. Now I know CWR will stop at nothing to run low 7s consistently lol

I am planning on changing my racing line for the first right hander in the esses, then I'm going to work on degner...if I improve I can see high 7s in clean air for me.

Thanks Hopefully I can knock off a 2'06.xx with some more seat time and fine tuning.

As far as the first right hander in the esses. It's crucial to take that corner as straight as possible without overdriving the car and sacraficing your line for the next left and right hander, which lead up to the very crucial dunlop corner. When approaching T3 (the left hander entering the esses) I try and carry as much speed as possible through there while turning in as early as possible in order to clip the apex perfectly. From there I scrub a bit of speed and turn in VERY early for T4, the right hander you're speaking of. This of course helps to make your line as direct as possible while maintaing good speed, without sacraficing your line and entry for the following left hander (T5). It's quite easy to lose a LOT of time and momentum through this portion by taking a line that is not as direct as possible. How well you get through the entire "S" section is really dependent on how you initially enter the esses and the first left hander. It's all about keeping the flow and momentum up by running a really direct/straight line. Just my 2 cents of help

 

[Earth]

Thanks Hopefully I can knock off a 2'06.xx with some more seat time and fine tuning.

As far as the first right hander in the esses. It's crucial to take that corner as straight as possible without overdriving the car and sacraficing your line for the next left and right hander, which lead up to the very crucial dunlop corner. When approaching T3 (the left hander entering the esses) I try and carry as much speed as possible through there while turning in as early as possible in order to clip the apex perfectly. From there I scrub a bit of speed and turn in VERY early for T4, the right hander you're speaking of. This of course helps to make your line as direct as possible while maintaing good speed, without sacraficing your line and entry for the following left hander (T5). It's quite easy to lose a LOT of time and momentum through this portion by taking a line that is not as direct as possible. How well you get through the entire "S" section is really dependent on how you initially enter the esses and the first left hander. It's all about keeping the flow and momentum up by running a really direct/straight line. Just my 2 cents of help

Thanks for the advice 👍

For turn 4 I was going through it as I usually do, giving the brakes a quck tap while turning in to try and help turn the nose of the car but this doesnt seem to work with the F40, it only seems to slide the tires and scrub speed. I will be more smoother here, and will try the early turn in you suggested to help align me for turn 5.

Turn 6 is a a challenge for me, push too hard and you ruin your line for Dunlop. Push too little and you have a good line for dunlop but you are just slow. You have to get it just right, and boy does it feel great when you do.

But my real problem is degner curves. The 2 right handers after dunlop. Last night me and CWR were running identical setups except for gears and he was making up 2 or 3 car lengths in that section every lap. He can run low 56s in the first splits and i can only run high 56s the first split. We seem pretty equal for the rest of the lap.

I have a question, do you guys brake in a straight line for the 2nd right hander of degner, or do you brake while turning into the corner?

 

[The Outlaw]

I have a question, do you guys brake in a straight line for the 2nd right hander of degner, or do you brake while turning into the corner?

Trail braking into Degner 2 is crucial with just about any car. Trail braking (slowly letting off the brakes as you approach the apex) helps to give the car the front bite you need to carry your momentum through there. If you don't trail brake you end up with a much slower entry than ideal. With the F40 and my particular set-up, I find that I must be quite exact with the entry speed and amount of braking that I apply as I turn in though. If I give too much brake I end up over loading the fronts and running a bit wide. That's probably less of a problem when having a wheel and pedals though.

 

[Chadwicksracing]

Trail braking into Degner 2 is crucial with just about any car. Trail braking (slowly letting off the brakes as you approach the apex) helps to give the car the front bite you need to carry your momentum through there. If you don't trail brake you end up with a much slower entry than ideal. With the F40 and my particular set-up, I find that I must be quite exact with the entry speed and amount of braking that I apply as I turn in though. If I give too much brake I end up over loading the fronts and running a bit wide. That's probably less of a problem when having a wheel and pedals though.

I trail brake, Like he said, this car get really funny when you over load the springs, which is why I brake so early most places, but I also try to coast it in, which seems to allow it to turn better. Turn Early, early/little brake and then left off and let the car do the rest.

 

[Earth]

I'll try this trail braking. Before I would just brake in a straight line, then hold the throttle steady through the corner. That's the slow way through degner 2.

The Official Rules are Up. They are located in post 4 of the points standing thread

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3376650&postcount=4

For now this is the most important part of the rules

6. Results Form

6-A - After every round each driver is required to enter a results form into that particular round's thread within 24 hours after the race is finished.

The results form should look like this

Race 1 - (finish position?)
Race 2 - (finish position?)
Race 3 - (finish position?)
Tune - (what tune did you use?)

An Example:

Race 1 - 2nd
Race 2 - 4th
Race 3 - Connection issues. Missed race
Tune - Dutch Customs

 

[The Outlaw]

Earth: Here's the logo for my tuning garage. I'll do our (Zissou & myself) team logo when I get a chance 👍

Hope it is the proper size

 

[Chadwicksracing]

I played with the car for 30 laps this morning. I have determined that the car will go under 2'07! It is possible to go under '56 in the first sector. I have discovered that while horses are important, pigs weigh you down, so eat fish (better for you too). This car doesn't like to go thin, but likes to go fat. You don't want to push this lady too hard or she will slap you off into the distance.

TA you are a beast! Nice Photoshop work!

Good luck everyone!

 

[The Outlaw]

I couldn't agree more with everything you said... 👍

 

[Chadwicksracing]

I was just reminding everyone that the tournament is today! I haven't seen much participation on this combo. I hope you guys are ready for this one.

 

[Earth]

How To Do A 15 Second Delayed Start + some practice action

 

[EL_ZISSOU]

I was just reminding everyone that the tournament is today! I haven't seen much participation on this combo. I hope you guys are ready for this one.

havent had much time to get any driving in- got on late last night with the controller before bed for my first race with this car and had some fun with major milou. 10 suzuka laps with a controller is murder on the hands!

 

[The Outlaw]

I desperately need to get some more practice in before the races today. Only got about 15 minutes seat time in this car last week

Regarding delayed starts - Isn't that kind of unfair for us just to be sitting in front of everyone creating a road block for their starts? I'm sure we wouldn't be too happy if another group was just parked in front of us on the grid. Not only that, we are also minimizing the effectiveness of waiting 15 seconds as were likely going to create a roadblock for everyone behind us to get around. It might be better and more respectful to just pull off the grid entirely and re-position ourselves before 15 seconds. Just a thought for next time maybe 💡

 

[Earth]

I desperately need to get some more practice in before the races today. Only got about 15 minutes seat time in this car last week

Regarding delayed starts - Isn't that kind of unfair for us just to be sitting in front of everyone creating a road block for their starts? I'm sure we wouldn't be too happy if another group was just parked in front of us on the grid. Not only that, we are also minimizing the effectiveness of waiting 15 seconds as were likely going to create a roadblock for everyone behind us to get around. It might be better and more respectful to just pull off the grid entirely and re-position ourselves before 15 seconds. Just a thought for next time maybe 💡

Pulling over would be better, but I gave too little time to do that (15secs), we tried pulling over one start and it was a mad scramble to get back in line in time for the 15 second timer. Next week it will be 20 or 25 seconds.

But as you can see from the video the grids were rather empty in 650pp Suzuka so I dont think it will be that big of a problem. This may sound harsh, but if one hack has to weave his way through a bunch of standing cars so he can go race by himself then so be it.

Also timeattack I see you haven't voted yet? The poll closes here rather soon

 

[LinPark]

The poll results seem to imply that Earth voted 3 times already for 3 different options - was I only supposed to choose one option?

 

[Earth]

OrangeR Cup Season 1 Race Results

Round 1 - Renault Clio V6 Tuned
Round 2 - Ferrari 512bb
Round 3 - Audi R8
Round 4 - Chevrolet Corvette C6 Tuned
Round 5 - Lotus Elise '96
Round 6 - Mazda RX-7
Round 7 - Mine's BNR34 GTR
Round 8 - Ford Mustang

OrangeR Cup Season 2 Race Results

Round 1 - BMW M3
Round 2 - TVR Tamora
Round 3 - Lancia Delta HF Integrale Evoluzione
Round 4 - Citroen C4 Coupe
Round 5 - Nissan Skyline GT-R V-spec II Nur
Round 6 - Ferrari F40
Round 7 - Ferrari 599

Clubman Cup Season 1 Race Results

Round 1 - Renault Clio V6 Tuned
Round 2 - Ferrari 512bb
Round 3 - Audi R8
Round 4 - Chevrolet Corvette C6 Tuned
Round 5 - Lotus Elise '96
Round 6 - Mazda RX-7
Round 7 - Mine's BNR34 GTR
Round 8 - Ford Mustang
WINS
16 - EL_ZISSOU
09 - GTP_timeattack
08 - GTP_BrakeFade
08 - GTP_CudaDude
06 - GTP_L_Hamilton
05 - GTP_KumaBar
03 - GTP_Vaxen
03 - GTP_TwistyBits
03 - GTP_Ravenman
02 - GTP_CWR
02 - GTP_FLASH48
01 - Oo_xVx_oO

PODIUMS
29 - GTP_CudaDude
26 - EL_ZISSOU
25 - GTP_KumaBar
21 - GTP_L_Hamilton
14 - GTP_timeattack
13 - GTP_CarlPKY
11 - GTP_BrakeFade
09 - Oo_xVx_oO
08 - GTP_Vaxen
06 - GTP_CWR
06 - GTP_TwistyBits
05 - GTP_DTWmetro
04 - GTP_Ravenman
04 - RedSunit
04 - GTP_FLASH48
03 - BaldurKn
02 - GTP_Earth
01 - GTP_NapoleonMikey
01 - GTP_bbcnascar2

STARTS
36 - GTP_KumaBar
35 - GTP_CudaDude
26 - GTP_L_Hamilton
27 - EL_ZISSOU
26 - GTP_CarlPKY
16 - GTP_timeattack
13 - Oo_xVx_oO
13 - GTP_BrakeFade
12 - GTP_DTWmetro
09 - GTP_bbcnascar2
09 - GTP_Vaxen
08 - GTP_TwistyBits
07 - GTP_CWR
05 - RedSunit
05 - GTP_Earth
04 - GTP_FLASH48
04 - GTP_Ravenman
04 - BaldurKn
03 - rofajole
03 - GTP_VentureDenny
03 - GTP_NapoleonMikey

POINTS

286 - GTP_CudaDude
274 - EL_ZISSOU
263.5 - GTP_KumaBar
194 - GTP_L_Hamilton
159 - GTP_CarlPKY
141 - GTP_timeattack
116 - GTP_BrakeFade
100 - GTP_DTWmetro
089 - Oo_xVx_oO
077 - GTP_CWR
073 - GTP_Vaxen
060 - GTP_TwistyBits
051 - RedSunit
045 - GTP_bbcnascar2
037 - GTP_Ravenman
033 - GTP_FLASH48
023 - GTP_VentureDenny
023 - GTP_Earth
022 - NapoleonMikey
015 - rofajole

CLUBMAN CUP

WINS
10 - GTP_CWR
06 - GTP_CudaDude
06 - GTP_TwistyBits
05 - GTP_MajorMilou
05 - GTP_Earth
05 - GTP_LinPark
03 - Oo_xVx_oO
03 - GTP_DigitalRelay
03 - GTP_vanos2990
02 - GTP_BrakeFade
02 - GTP_Vaxen
02 - GTP_CANES51
02 - GTP_mkay
02 - GTP_L_Hamilton
02 - GTP_ANGELx
01 - GTP_dbo129
01 - Terbeaux
01 - GTP_SpyHunter
01 - GTP_bbcnascar2

PODIUMS
17 - GTP_TwistyBits
17 - GTP_CWR
15 - GTP_Earth
11 - GTP_bbcnascar2
11 - GTP_CANES51
10 - GTP_mkay
10 - GTP_LinPark
09 - GTP_MajorMilou
07 - GTP_CudaDude
07 - GTP_vanos2990
07 - GTP_ANGELx
06 - GTP_Vaxen
06 - Oo_xVx_oO
05 - GTP_dbo129
05 - GTP_BrakeFade
04 - GTP_NapoleonMikey
04 - GTP_DigitalRelay
04 - Terbeaux
03 - GTP_SpyHunter
03 - snakegt40
03 - GTP_KumaBar
03 - GTP_L_Hamilton
02 - GTP_CWR
02 - GTP_Chuzo
01 - GTP_bbcnascar2
01 - GTP_KARTRACER
01 - GTP_VentureDenny

STARTS
28 - GTP_Earth
25 - GTP_TwistyBits
21 - GTP_bbcnascar2
20 - GTP_mkay
19 - GTP_CANES51
16 - GTP_CWR
15 - GTP_MajorMilou
15 - snakegt40
12 - GTP_LinPark
08 - GTP_NapoleonMikey
08 - Oo_xVx_oO
08 - GTP_vanos2990
08 - GTP_Vaxen
07 - GTP_CudaDude
07 - GTP_ANGELx
06 - GTP_dbo129
05 - GTP_SpyHunter
05 - GTP_BrakeFade
04 - GTP_GODZILLA
04 - GTP_DigitalRelay
04 - Terbeaux
03 - GTP_KumaBar
03 - GTP_Chuzo
03 - GTP_L_Hamilton
03 - BaldurKn
03 - GTP_VentureDenny
02 - GTP_KARTRACER
02 - GTP_Dazzla
01 - Turizmo-Z
01 - GTP_Lyvan
01 - GTP_Drama-Kyd

POINTS
184 - GTP_Earth
171 - GTP_TwistyBits
151.5 - GTP_CWR
130 - GTP_CANES51
130 - GTP_bbcnascar2
125 - GTP_mkay
111 - GTP_MajorMilou
100 - GTP_LinPark
070 - Oo_xVx_oO
067 - GTP_ANGELx
054 - snakegt40
046 - GTP_NapoleonMikey
044 - GTP_dbo129
043 - GTP_vanos2990
042 - GTP_SpyHunter
041 - GTP_DigitalRelay
040 - GTP_BrakeFade
040 - GTP_CudaDude
034 - GTP_Vaxen
032 - GTP_L_Hamilton
031 - GTP_SpyHunter
029 - GTP_KumaBar
023 - GTP_CWR
022 - BaldurKn
019 - GTP_VentureDenny
018 - GTP_KARTRACER
013 - GTP_GODZILLA
005 - Turizmo-Z
004 - GTP_Lyvan
003.5 - GTP_Drama-Kyd

 

[Chadwicksracing]

As most of you well know, tonight was not my night. I was not at 100%, I extremely tired from finals this week. Oh well. Congrats to Lin for the first race.

First race: 3rd
Second race: DQ I jumped the start by .200. I wrecked Canes by not moving from the raceway.
Blitz Tune

I will not be here next week, good luck with the champ Canes. See you in season 3 of the NTSC Champ.

Chad.

 

[mkay]

Race 1 - 7th (crappy race, and again, I apologize to Canes).
Race 2 - DISCONNECTED (I joined the race, and got disconnected 1 second into it)
Tune: TLD

Bad, bad week. Will trail the top 4 by a lot now

As for next week, will there be a tyre restriction? If yes, please let it be R1's only!

 

[MajorMilou]

AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

haha... Last race, I catch up with Earth after a 5 lap hot pursuit on lap 9... get over-excited in 130R, go wide, get a penalty. It costs me about 1 second, I settle for 3rd. But then in Degner, Earth himself gets a cutting penalty!!!!!!! I pass him. A few hundred meters are left, i'm in 130R, exit on the green stuff... AND LOOSE THE REAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 🤬

I catch it magnificently and in the end lost only like 5 or 6 seconds, but that was enough for not only Earth, but TwistyBits (who is a direct rival for the promotion to Orange Cup) to pass me.
What a MORON I am!!!!!! hahahaha

It's a great race this 10 lapper, it's really hard to settle down once you start getting nervous.


So results:
Race 1 - 4th
Race 2 - 4th
Tune - personal tune

Two good fun races with Earth though. A lot of fun. 👍 Still can't believe I cave it away in the last corner...

LinPark was too quick for me, I was lacking the pace both in race 1, gradually loosing ground about 1 second a lap. And in race 2, he passed me without effort after a couple laps, and I went out at spoon later, trying to follow him. Well done! 👍

 

[B-ras]

Race 1: 6th
Race 2: DNF
Tune: my own


tough week

 

[Heli-Eric]

I catch it magnificently and in the end lost only like 5 or 6 seconds, but that was enough for not only Earth, but TitsyBits (who is a direct rival for the promotion to Orange Cup) to pass me.

Make that "TwistyBits" please. Although, "TitsyBits" ain't bad either. 👍 And, you had a guardian angel following you, the very laggy guy with the alphabet soup tag. We both caught up to you on L7 or 8, but he went totally berserk at the 2nd Degner. Caused me to throw the car away. Ah, well, not really his fault.

Race 2 wasn't all that good for me either. I managed to get under and get at least a nose in front of Canes in the Dunlop on L1, but wasn't sure I was clear, so I set up for a side-by-side through the 1st Degner (which always works well, not), only to put myself off in the litter (sorry, Canes if I messed you up). It went pretty much downhill from there.

Race 1 was much better. Had a nice clean dice with LinPark. Great driving, man. 👍

Results:

Race 1: 2nd
Race 2: 3rd
Tune: TwistyTune(tm)

 

[Chadwicksracing]

Race 1: 6th
Race 2: DNF
Tune: my own


tough week

I am so sorry about you running into me mate. I wasn't thinking right, I should have moved. Earth and I tangled. He lost the back end and then I helped him all the way around. I was waiting for him, but I wasn't out of the race away enough.

You said it man, tough week.

 

[MajorMilou]

Make that "TwistyBits" please. Although, "TitsyBits" ain't bad either. 👍 And, you had a guardian angel following you, the very laggy guy with the alphabet soup tag. We both caught up to you on L7 or 8, but he went totally berserk at the 2nd Degner. Caused me to throw the car away. Ah, well, not really his fault.

Lol... Yea sorry, I corrected it!
Yes the guy in the Subaru helped me out a lot, so in the end it's only fair 👍 But I should have been able to take advantage of the conditions!

Oh well.. good fun, as always. The cars were all very evenly matched.

 

[cudadude2]

4th
4th
tune: L_Hammys

 

[Earth]

5th
2nd
Tune: Blitz

Alot of videos and final thoughts later

 

[cpp214]

My results:

Race 1: 3rd
Race 2: 3rd

 

[snake/gt]

Race 1 - Disconnected on grid during countdown
Race 2 - Disconnected on grid again
Tune - T L D

Oh well ,not a good night
Congrats to LinPARK 👍