Nurburgring Race Series Week 5 (Nissan Skyline R34 GTR M Spec NUR)
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- 812
- Leicestershire
- davegeorge78
RedOak
My advice here would be to simply switch off your ghost, sometimes you can get distracted by it and some of my laps which i have submitted were done on the first lap i switched the ghost off....
Dave
- 15,855
- QLD, Australia
- Small_Fryz
and you cant power on too early.
Even the brilliant skyline 4WD system suffers power understeer if you get on the power to early.
I should be able to beat kents ghost and my 'dirty' NSX time pretty easily. Did a 'dirty' lap that was faster than both, and i was a few seconds up on that but didnt manage a time.
Even the brilliant skyline 4WD system suffers power understeer if you get on the power to early.
I should be able to beat kents ghost and my 'dirty' NSX time pretty easily. Did a 'dirty' lap that was faster than both, and i was a few seconds up on that but didnt manage a time.
- 8,191
- Southern Louisiana
- GTP_Kent
RedOak,
The biggest problem with using a ghost is that you tend to follow the ghost rather than create a new lap.
This means you repeat the same mistakes made in the ghost replay and because of that you will never go any faster than the ghost.
My suggestion for dealing with this...
Run a slow but clean lap.
Use that as your ghost for a few attempts, then turn off the ghost and try again without it.
Doing that will give you the chance to have a ghost and in those first couple of tries, learn where it is slowest.
Then if you don't beat the ghost, turning it off will give you the chance to race past it without realizing it.
Just remember to take it easy on your first lap.
Nothing is harder than setting a best lap without ever getting a clean lap first.
Once you have a clean lap, especially if it is slow, you will be able to see where you can push for gains and where you can naturally cruise the course without lossing time.
I know it sounds rediculus for me to say "get a slow time first" but trust me, nothing will help you to improve you own time like finding out how fast or slow it is on your own. 👍
So just to recap...
Run a slow, clean lap.
Run against the ghost for maybe 2 laps.
Run without the ghost for as long as you can bear it.
Turn the ghost back on and try to learn where the mistakes are.
Keep working on it like this and before you know it, you will have a lap that is clean and refined to the point of having very few errors.
Good luck and let all of us know how it goes.
Also, if your rear end is sliding out too much, don't be scared to use TCS... There is nothing wrong with a little tcs if it makes you faster. 👍
The biggest problem with using a ghost is that you tend to follow the ghost rather than create a new lap.
This means you repeat the same mistakes made in the ghost replay and because of that you will never go any faster than the ghost.
My suggestion for dealing with this...
Run a slow but clean lap.
Use that as your ghost for a few attempts, then turn off the ghost and try again without it.
Doing that will give you the chance to have a ghost and in those first couple of tries, learn where it is slowest.
Then if you don't beat the ghost, turning it off will give you the chance to race past it without realizing it.
Just remember to take it easy on your first lap.
Nothing is harder than setting a best lap without ever getting a clean lap first.
Once you have a clean lap, especially if it is slow, you will be able to see where you can push for gains and where you can naturally cruise the course without lossing time.
I know it sounds rediculus for me to say "get a slow time first" but trust me, nothing will help you to improve you own time like finding out how fast or slow it is on your own. 👍
So just to recap...
Run a slow, clean lap.
Run against the ghost for maybe 2 laps.
Run without the ghost for as long as you can bear it.
Turn the ghost back on and try to learn where the mistakes are.
Keep working on it like this and before you know it, you will have a lap that is clean and refined to the point of having very few errors.
Good luck and let all of us know how it goes.
Also, if your rear end is sliding out too much, don't be scared to use TCS... There is nothing wrong with a little tcs if it makes you faster. 👍
- 521
Position Indicator. Upper left corner of the display...shows position 1,2,3,4,5,6 in a race or in time trialing only 1 or 2. This is a good way of knowing where you are against your ghost if your close enough that the ghost's "shadow" is annoying you or getting in the way of seeing your braking points and you want to turn the ghost off (d pad up toggles the ghost off and on if you didn't already know that).Kolyana
- 2,353
And I think an element of pushing yourself is a good thing .. granted, you can push too hard and end up ruining the lap, but then that's all part of it, isn't it? Who here hasn't had a great lap ruined, because we've pushed it too hard or actually gone too easy in trying *not* to ruin it? 
- 15,855
- QLD, Australia
- Small_Fryz
This is how i do it.
Run a lap, to get a ghost. Then run with the ghost off for corners, but on for straights to check where i am with him. I use my ghost as reference to how good im going. No point running a nurb lap if im 2+ seconds down, i just restart.
I agree with kent on the clean lap thing though, no matter how slow it is, having a clean lap gives you way less pressure.
Run a lap, to get a ghost. Then run with the ghost off for corners, but on for straights to check where i am with him. I use my ghost as reference to how good im going. No point running a nurb lap if im 2+ seconds down, i just restart.
I agree with kent on the clean lap thing though, no matter how slow it is, having a clean lap gives you way less pressure.
- 807
^What he said.
My best clean lap so far:
T1: 0'46.116
T2: 1'21.491
T3: 1'50.830
T4: 2'43.413
T5: 3'22.672
T6: 3'49.972
T7: 4'40.817
T8: 5'24.717
T9: 5'47.039
T10: 6'30.326
I'm finding that I prefer to drive this car like a 4WD rally car, turn the nose in under brakes and then use the throttle to try and four-wheel-drift to the exit.
It doesn't always work but it's fast when it does (not to mention a great deal of fun
).
EDIT: Sorry, these splits do not count because I have the wrong hp figure for the car. I assumed that we were running the stage 1 turbo (as we were for the R33). Having checked Dave's post, I realise I have 430hp instead of 416.
I will remove them if you like but I would rather leave them as a target for everyone.
When I get splits with the proper hp figure I will update.
My best clean lap so far:
T1: 0'46.116
T2: 1'21.491
T3: 1'50.830
T4: 2'43.413
T5: 3'22.672
T6: 3'49.972
T7: 4'40.817
T8: 5'24.717
T9: 5'47.039
T10: 6'30.326
I'm finding that I prefer to drive this car like a 4WD rally car, turn the nose in under brakes and then use the throttle to try and four-wheel-drift to the exit.
It doesn't always work but it's fast when it does (not to mention a great deal of fun
).EDIT: Sorry, these splits do not count because I have the wrong hp figure for the car. I assumed that we were running the stage 1 turbo (as we were for the R33). Having checked Dave's post, I realise I have 430hp instead of 416.
I will remove them if you like but I would rather leave them as a target for everyone.
When I get splits with the proper hp figure I will update.
- 15,855
- QLD, Australia
- Small_Fryz
Also I push 100% the whole lap. I was doing another comp @ nurb just yesterday and I was 1.5 seconds up @ T9, then i pushed really hard and was up 2 seconds @ T11. And not to lose that i pushed in the last sector, even though my ghost had a wonderful last sector i didnt loose any time to him. I ended up with a lap very close to my limit.
The difference i found from when i was D2 and now when im D1 is that in D2 i would see a brilliant T time, so i would drive carefully to bring it home, now i see a great T time i push hard to make the most of it. No point haveing a T time 1 second faster than normal if you loose 1.5 - 2 seconds going 'easy' to bring it home. Make the most of your fast T time and push to make it even better. As silly as i may sound, but being able to push flat out and handle your nerves and ignore your pumping heart will make you so much a better driver.
Hotboi, holl01, veil etc never back off, so neither do I.
The difference i found from when i was D2 and now when im D1 is that in D2 i would see a brilliant T time, so i would drive carefully to bring it home, now i see a great T time i push hard to make the most of it. No point haveing a T time 1 second faster than normal if you loose 1.5 - 2 seconds going 'easy' to bring it home. Make the most of your fast T time and push to make it even better. As silly as i may sound, but being able to push flat out and handle your nerves and ignore your pumping heart will make you so much a better driver.
Hotboi, holl01, veil etc never back off, so neither do I.
- 4,853
- Buffalo, NY
- PURE_DrWatson
Small_Fryz
under what?
oh; and more extreme camber (3.0 / 1.0) and new splits
45.512 (best 45.3)
1'20.948 (best 1'20.6)
1'50.175 (best 1'49.8)
2'42.333
3'21.147
3'48.785
4'40.188
5'23.923 (oopse!)
5'45.909
6'28.805
I'd like to shave ~4 more seconds by weekend... This car is ALOT more fun than i was expecting.
- 15,855
- QLD, Australia
- Small_Fryz
try giving me a slide on a faster corner 👍
That is just before T3 i belive. Very easy to spin out their
That is just before T3 i belive. Very easy to spin out their
- 4,853
- Buffalo, NY
- PURE_DrWatson
Small_Fryztry giving me a slide on a faster corner 👍
That is just before T3 i belive. Very easy to spin out their
yeah, its the 2nd half of adeneur forst; if you accidentally hit the kerb going into the left, when the car swings back to the right the car is so unsettled the best course of action is a power on drift. fun stuff...
fastest drift i've gotten is through turn 2 @ ~105mph.
but yeah, the high speed corners is where the understeer takes over. The NSX was so much better through all the high speed stuff.
- 812
- Leicestershire
- davegeorge78
Had about three laps this afternoon and some good progress for me, car feels great this week, less time off the track and more time on! Seriously though this is much easier to put together a string of clean sectors and even two or three quick laps which is just what i was hoping it would be!:
T1 46.326
T2 1'22.054 (ALWAYS SLOW TO HERE)
T3 1'51.287
T4 2'43.269
T5 3'22'500
T6 3'50.369
T7 4'41.520
T8 5'24.716
T9?
T10 6'30.310
Im running with 112/117 ride height, 3/5 damping and 2.7/1.7 camber, the car feels very good with again a neutral stance which im happy with, would be interested to see people using my settings and seeing what they think?
2 seconds of my previous best and clean. I am 100% sure i can beat this however finding the time may be hard as im away tomorrow and all weekend so maybe a session sunday eve perhaps when i return home.
Just to mention your week 6 cars will be up for voting tonight as i cant get to a computer all weekend so i know its early but nothing i can do im afraid...
cheers
Dave
T1 46.326
T2 1'22.054 (ALWAYS SLOW TO HERE)
T3 1'51.287
T4 2'43.269
T5 3'22'500
T6 3'50.369
T7 4'41.520
T8 5'24.716
T9?
T10 6'30.310
Im running with 112/117 ride height, 3/5 damping and 2.7/1.7 camber, the car feels very good with again a neutral stance which im happy with, would be interested to see people using my settings and seeing what they think?
2 seconds of my previous best and clean. I am 100% sure i can beat this however finding the time may be hard as im away tomorrow and all weekend so maybe a session sunday eve perhaps when i return home.
Just to mention your week 6 cars will be up for voting tonight as i cant get to a computer all weekend so i know its early but nothing i can do im afraid...
cheers
Dave
- 4,853
- Buffalo, NY
- PURE_DrWatson
i'm not sure why you run such high ride height.
the minimum is like 108, which is still so high the car feels like a truck compared to previous weeks. And @ minimum you can run over kerbs, take jumps, etc without it throwing sparks in the replay... so i'm not sure why you would give up the benefit of the lower center of gravity.
Have you tried dropping the car to the floor?
the minimum is like 108, which is still so high the car feels like a truck compared to previous weeks. And @ minimum you can run over kerbs, take jumps, etc without it throwing sparks in the replay... so i'm not sure why you would give up the benefit of the lower center of gravity.
Have you tried dropping the car to the floor?
- 807
New legal splits for me:
T1: 0'45.855
T2: 1'21.252
T3: 1'50.407
T4: 2'42.341
T5: 3'21.397
T6: 3'48.799
T7: 4'39.604
T8: 5'22.483
T9: 5'44.512
T10: 6'28.037
Plenty of mistakes on this lap, particularly from Wipperman onwards. I can see another few seconds to be had but not by me. I also had two wheels on the grass on the exit of Flugplatz
and Adenauer Forst
My setup:
112/114
6/8
3.0/0.8
Regarding the ride height, I tried it at its lowest and found it to be too nervous across the bumps. With a few mm extra it had a better flow.
I also seem to be running a lot less negative camber at the rear than most people. I believe that this can help reduce the high-speed understeer by getting the tail moving through the corners. Theoretically you should also get better traction at the rear (at least in a straight line) because the tyre is not angled so much. For me it was the best of both worlds.
I'm going away for the weekend, so: Time Submitted.
T1: 0'45.855
T2: 1'21.252
T3: 1'50.407
T4: 2'42.341
T5: 3'21.397
T6: 3'48.799
T7: 4'39.604
T8: 5'22.483
T9: 5'44.512
T10: 6'28.037
Plenty of mistakes on this lap, particularly from Wipperman onwards. I can see another few seconds to be had but not by me. I also had two wheels on the grass on the exit of Flugplatz
and Adenauer Forst My setup:
112/114
6/8
3.0/0.8
Regarding the ride height, I tried it at its lowest and found it to be too nervous across the bumps. With a few mm extra it had a better flow.
I also seem to be running a lot less negative camber at the rear than most people. I believe that this can help reduce the high-speed understeer by getting the tail moving through the corners. Theoretically you should also get better traction at the rear (at least in a straight line) because the tyre is not angled so much. For me it was the best of both worlds.
I'm going away for the weekend, so: Time Submitted.
- 2,353
blehhhhhhhhhhhh .. I have to work waaaaay too hard at this. I thought for a moment that I'd hit a wall ... every lap, every split was within .2 of my ghost, one way or the other, and none of it was especially fast. Then, for me, I nailed something half decent (for me):
T10: 6'38.669
Oh, and this was with VT's settings 👍
T10: 6'38.669
Oh, and this was with VT's settings 👍
- 812
- Leicestershire
- davegeorge78
Dr_Watson
Well it suits me is the short answer!
Every week i try out the settings posted if i have time and i find the low ride height + firm damping no good for me, the cars tend to bounce and become twitchy far too easily.
The Ring is a bumpy road and not a smooth racetrack so i tend to go for a slightly higher ride height and softer damping and always strive for a neutral car which seems consistent over the whole lap, i may ultimately get a softer set up but i dont feel my times reflect a poor set up....Remember that we are only talking about a difference of a few mm here 👍
Yes ive tried dropping the car to the floor and find that to prevent bottoming out it requires stiff damping which again makes the car twitchy and unpredictable.
regards
Dave
HOla qwerts1, Of course you can join us. I'm sure Dave will be thrilled to have another Fan do 'his thing' 
As Kolyana said, grab the car, set it up like discussed in page 1 and lap away. Remember not to post final times publicly, but you are welcomed to discuss mods and T-times!
Cheers,
As Kolyana said, grab the car, set it up like discussed in page 1 and lap away. Remember not to post final times publicly, but you are welcomed to discuss mods and T-times!
Cheers,
- 521
I think I'll run my 3-4 laps again this week just to have something to compare to my previous weeks' efforts. But right now I'm feelin' a little frisky so I may try to turn it up a bit this week and run enough laps to get a better handle on the car's braking points and work on maintaining momentum through the tighter turns. But only about 2 days to go and I haven't even touched it yet.
EDIT: I couldn't get a clean lap 3-4 laps in. I guess I began pushing too hard too early. Even though my time looks a little more competitive (at least for for the moment) I think I liked running only 3-4 laps better. This got to be rather frustrating. Anyway after about 2 1/2 hours, 174.1 miles (last week I ran just 51.9 miles) and probably 20 restarts I managed just the one clean lap. For me this has by far been the hardest car to drive...but this is also the hardest I pushed things since the Triumph in the warm up week.
T10: 6'40.783
EDIT: I couldn't get a clean lap 3-4 laps in. I guess I began pushing too hard too early. Even though my time looks a little more competitive (at least for for the moment) I think I liked running only 3-4 laps better. This got to be rather frustrating. Anyway after about 2 1/2 hours, 174.1 miles (last week I ran just 51.9 miles) and probably 20 restarts I managed just the one clean lap. For me this has by far been the hardest car to drive...but this is also the hardest I pushed things since the Triumph in the warm up week.
T10: 6'40.783
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