Obama Presidency Discussion Thread

How would you vote in the 2008 US Presidential Election?

  • Obama-Biden (Democrat)

    Votes: 67 59.3%
  • McCain-Palin (Republican)

    Votes: 18 15.9%
  • Barr-Root (Libertarian)

    Votes: 14 12.4%
  • Nader-Gonzales (Independent-Ecology Party / Peace and Freedom Party)

    Votes: 5 4.4%
  • McKinney-Clemente (Green)

    Votes: 1 0.9%
  • Baldwin-Castle (Constitution)

    Votes: 7 6.2%
  • Gurney-? (Car & Driver)

    Votes: 1 0.9%
  • Other...

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    113
  • Poll closed .
Obama has time to visit the Palestinians, but not enough to visit wounded soldiers in Germany? He rather go shopping in Berlin.

From the article:

"An Obama adviser, Air Force Maj. Gen. Scott Gration (Ret.), later elaborated on Obama's decision to skip the event.

"We learned from the Pentagon last night that the visit would be viewed instead as a campaign event," Gration said. "Sen. Obama did not want to have a trip to see our wounded warriors perveived as a campaign event when his visit was to show his appreciation for our troops and decided instead not to go."

I can understand the rationale from both sides on the issue, but when McCain himself is unable to support the troops with the GI Bill, I don't take any criticisms of his towards Obama on the military seriously.

Obama didn't get the same reception in France. He got none.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,567821,00.html

Its best to see the article in context...


"The emphasis in Berlin contrasts with the limited time devoted to the French stage since Mr. Obama not pass a few hours in Paris, Friday, before leaving for London where he will meet on Saturday, the Labour prime minister, Gordon Brown , His predecessor, Tony Blair and David Cameron, leader of a conservative opposition, however, historically linked to the Republican Party. Mr. Brown would like to know more about the draft withdrawal from Iraq of Mr. Obama.

In Paris, the Democratic candidate will be received by President of the Republic, Nicolas Sarkozy. No meeting is planned with representatives of French opposition, despite requests that have been made in this direction with its headquarters in Chicago."

I wouldn't call that complaining, but nevertheless, they are French after all...
 
Why do Presidential Nominees go outside the US? Like Obama for example, is it for global influence?

I'm more concerned about the fact that 3 television stations decided to cover his speech live. As far as I know, they won't even do that for the President any more.
 
From the article:

"An Obama adviser, Air Force Maj. Gen. Scott Gration (Ret.), later elaborated on Obama's decision to skip the event.

"We learned from the Pentagon last night that the visit would be viewed instead as a campaign event," Gration said. "Sen. Obama did not want to have a trip to see our wounded warriors perveived as a campaign event when his visit was to show his appreciation for our troops and decided instead not to go."

I can understand the rationale from both sides on the issue, but when McCain himself is unable to support the troops with the GI Bill, I don't take any criticisms of his towards Obama on the military seriously.

So, Obama is in Iraq for the sightseeing?

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I'm more concerned about the fact that 3 television stations decided to cover his speech live. As far as I know, they won't even do that for the President any more.

It's media bias at it's greatest height.

Jon Stewart did a skit about this a few nights ago: http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=177060
 
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I'm more concerned about the fact that 3 television stations decided to cover his speech live. As far as I know, they won't even do that for the President any more.

I don't think President Bush has been relevant since, what, 2006? That may be a part of it...
 
From what I saw whilst I was in the US:

What's with all these Mccain attacks?
I'm by no means anywhere near an expert on politics and the 2008 us presidential election but it seems to me Mccain is trying to ruin Obama's campaign rather than run his own.

'The Race card' is an interesting chapter. I think Obama knew what he was getting into but Mccain jumped at the chance to criticise Obama as he has done before.

Personally I'd like to see Obama win it, Mccain represents the past and in my opinion has absolutely nothing about him whatsoever. But Obama does have a personality on him and some good ideas.

US election experts, please do not murder me for what I have said, be constructive :)
 
It's quite common for politicians to "attack" one another throughout the campaign. It's only going to get worse as November nears.
 
Well, the simple answer is that we're seeing a meeting point of two political generations, and consequently that clash has been quite interesting. At least in my opinion, its fairly clear that McCain has no idea what hes doing. Whilst claiming to be that "independent maverick" that he once was, anyone with the slightest ability to do research can figure out that hes been a Bush lackey for the last eight or so years. That all being said, Obama has yet to let the barbs out with his political jargon. He says he wants to run a 'clean' campaign and I certainly commend him for it, but when McCain is consistently giving him easy targets to make him look like an idiot... I'm shocked that it has been left to the pundits to make shots.

Considering that we have less than 100 days left in this election season, it seems fairly obvious that things will start getting a bit more heated within the next 30 days after the conventions are complete. Hopefully Obama has the guts to take his message home and swing a few punches on the way.
 
At least in my opinion, its fairly clear that McCain has no idea what hes doing.

...agreed. But the same could be said about Obama, Bush, Clinton (either one), and possibly Bush Sr. The buck stops at Reagan, but even before him it wasn't exactly a schmorgas board of competency.

Trying to decide whether Obama or McCain is more competent is like asking me to pick which 8 year old I want to build a nuclear reactor... you feel stupid even trying.
 
Whoever does the designs for Obama's campaign is seriously good. I loved the Bauhaus inspired poster they did for his speech in Berlin:

posterobama.jpg


Even the campaign website looks stylin'.

Shepard Fairey's work for Obama was great too:
http://obeygiant.com/post/obama
 
Personally I'd like to see Obama win it, Mccain represents the past and in my opinion has absolutely nothing about him whatsoever. But Obama does have a personality on him and some good ideas.

US election experts, please do not murder me for what I have said, be constructive :)
Funny you say that, when Obama himself, is nothing more than a modern-day Carter.
 
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There seems to be a theme for the Obama campaign.

Indeed. Both posters are well designed. Let's just ignore the fact that the poster pays homage to one of the most influential styles in design history and draw overwrought parallels to Nazi Germany, shall we?
 
I really hope obama wins but it could be good to see the docu 'outfoxed', shines an extra light on FOX's strange 'fair & balance' feel.
 
Trying to decide whether Obama or McCain is more competent is like asking me to pick which 8 year old I want to build a nuclear reactor... you feel stupid even trying.

Not much to pick at with any of them. I don't agree with all of Obama's policies, but that's part of the game when your party has imploded with idiocy. I think the main difference for me is that I find Obama's positions agreeable and understandable, not the kind of stuff where I'm crying myself to sleep with a bottle of rum after hearing McCain talk about national security or economics.

I'm still under the impression that if McCain wouldn't have gone off the deep end and actually remained an "independent" Republican like his reputation before him, he'd likely have my vote.
 
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Not much to pick at with any of them. I don't agree with all of Obama's policies, but that's part of the game when your party has imploded with idiocy. I think the main difference for me is that I find Obama's positions agreeable and understandable, not the kind of stuff where I'm crying myself to sleep with a bottle of rum after hearing McCain talk about national security or economics.

I'm still under the impression that if McCain wouldn't have gone off the deep end and actually remained an "independent" Republican like his reputation before him, he'd likely have my vote.
You only find Obama's positions agreeable, because he supports both sides of a situation.
http://www.bothwaysbarack.com/documentation.html

As for the underlined part, c'mon off it man. You claim you go to sleep crying after hearing McCain talk about economics? I must go to sleep cutting myself then after hearing Obama. Seriously bro, the candidate you're supporting doesn't sound like he ever passed a 12th grade Economics class.
 
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Not much to pick at with any of them. I don't agree with all of Obama's policies, but that's part of the game when your party has imploded with idiocy. I think the main difference for me is that I find Obama's positions agreeable and understandable, not the kind of stuff where I'm crying myself to sleep with a bottle of rum after hearing McCain talk about national security or economics.

I'm still under the impression that if McCain wouldn't have gone off the deep end and actually remained an "independent" Republican like his reputation before him, he'd likely have my vote.

I can't believe you're upset with McCain without being equally as upset with Obama.

McCain was an "independent" maverick because he was the Joe Lieberman of the GOP before the rest of the party went down the same path (and subsequently down the tube). He hasn't changed. Remember, Bush ran on the opposite of what he wound up doing.

Anyway, Rick is right.
 
Indeed. Both posters are well designed. Let's just ignore the fact that the poster pays homage to one of the most influential styles in design history and draw overwrought parallels to Nazi Germany, shall we?

I cannot ignore the fact that the Obama campaign would use this design style in the same region that is synonymous with 20th century propaganda. I guarantee Obama wouldn't use this design style in the US.
 
I cannot ignore the fact that the Obama campaign would use this design style in the same region that is synonymous with 20th century propaganda. I guarantee Obama wouldn't use this design style in the US.

The irony is that the Bahaus was shut down by Nazis during WWII for being too modernist and un-German. It's was a nice nod to Europe and its history in art. Besides, Obama has already used stronger imagery in the US - with great effect too.
 
I find Obama's positions agreeable and understandable

Agreeable? lol... unless you mean stuff like "I'm for prosperity, growth, jobs, safety... blah blah". Because if that's what you're talking about, then you can say that about every politician ever.
Understandable? I wish I didn't
 
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The irony is that the Bahaus was shut down by Nazis during WWII for being too modernist and un-German. It's was a nice nod to Europe and its history in art. Besides, Obama has already used stronger imagery in the US - with great effect too.

:confused:
 
I don't know about other parts of the world, but propaganda is usually frowned upon in the US. To use that type of design to promote Obama's campaign in that region of the world seems a bit strange to say the least.

As for Bahaus being shut down by the Nazis in WWII...

ok??? I guess.
 
I don't know about other parts of the world, but propaganda is usually frowned upon in the US. To use that type of design to promote Obama's campaign in that region of the world seems a bit strange to say the least.

As for Bahaus being shut down by the Nazis in WWII...

ok??? I guess.

Well it didn't harm Obama's speech in Berlin, that's for sure... It wasn't propaganda per se - just a very well designed poster. Propaganda is much more blunt and visceral in its delivery. As for the Bahaus being shut down - can't you see the irony in that the very group people are drawing comparisons to his campaign style were actually opposed it in WWII?
 
I don't know about other parts of the world, but propaganda is usually frowned upon in the US. To use that type of design to promote Obama's campaign in that region of the world seems a bit strange to say the least.
It’s not propaganda at all, just a very nice homage. If you’re charged with designing materials that will be seen in Switzerland, it would be wise to make judicious use of Helvetica. If you’re in Washington DC, you might want to use neoclassical style (Didot, relief-style artwork, etc.).

As for Bahaus being shut down by the Nazis in WWII...

ok??? I guess.
Bauhaus is the German design movement that that poster is based off of.

As much as I dislike Obama, he has wonderful graphic designers and typographers on his team.
 
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You only find Obama's positions agreeable, because he supports both sides of a situation.
http://www.bothwaysbarack.com/documentation.html

McCain is no different. Take a look at his stance on the Bush Tax Cuts, off-shore oil drilling, his "criticisms" of the Iraq war, and hell, McCain is even trying to deny the FACT that he has been against MLK Day for a long, long time.


I'm not going to say that Obama has never changed his position on something, because quite clearly, he has. His mediation of his position on FISA was a bit disappointing, and now that he is using slightly different rhetoric against Iran, I'm a bit befuddled as well. But as far as that link there is concerned, these are already well-known issues with the mediation of his positions. Its something hes taken a lot of heat for already by far-left folks, and to be honest, I don't think there are many people in the middle who are completely happy either.

As for the underlined part, c'mon off it man. You claim you go to sleep crying after hearing McCain talk about economics? I must go to sleep cutting myself then after hearing Obama. Seriously bro, the candidate you're supporting doesn't sound like he ever passed a 12th grade Economics class.

You're forgetting that McCain has admitted openly that he doesn't know anything about economics, so whats the difference? For that matter, his economic adviser thinks we're a "nation of whiners" for believing that there is a recession on hand. Please. The Republicans are far more out of touch when it comes to economics than the Democrats are. When this is coming from someone who IS a Republican, that's a problem.

Omnis
I can't believe you're upset with McCain without being equally as upset with Obama.

Lets put it this way at the very least, Obama has done a good job of not pressing my buttons. McCain is doing a damn-good job right now with his oil-drilling issue that he is trying to push (all while looking like an idiot, its a State's Rights issue and he knows it, Florida and California don't want to do it). I'll admit that Obama has been a bit too "secure" in his notion that he will likely win, and that is a bit of a put-off, particularly when you look at the political history of the country in a race like Truman v Dewey.

...But, there is still a while to go...

Danoff
Understandable? I wish I didn't

I think you could say both of their positions are understandable, politically speaking you have to. As for being rational at the moment, I believe Obama has the upper hand. That of course depends on your politics and what you see fit at the moment.

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As for Republicans like myself "selling-out" and voting for Obama, here is an article from Salon.com

Robert Caron
Good evening, everyone.

Work and family issues have kept me away for the last seven weeks.

I work in the insurance industry in downtown Boston. People are staying off the roads in droves thanks to high energy prices and our business is down 40 percent from last year. Since my company has not chosen to diversify its geographic base and since I'm the newest employee in my department and both single and childless, I'm out of a job.

As you might imagine, I'm more than a little annoyed. (Thank God, I refinanced my mortgage before the rates climbed.) I left a stable, albeit lower paying, job early this year to take the position in Boston. I'm eligible for unemployment benefits, I got a decent severance package and my company has informed me I'm eligible for rehire.

In other words, you can officially mark me down as an Obamacon or Obamalican, or whatever you call those of us on the Republican side who are fed up with Bush and the current Republican Party and who will support the Democratic nominee this November.

While I admired Senator Obama's Clinton slaying prowess and respected his skills as an orator and politician, I had no serious plans to vote for him. But things have become worse in the last two months for both myself and the country as a whole.

Yeah, I don't agree with Barack Obama on the Iraq war or on 65-70 percent of his policy positions, but something's got to give. As much as I respect Senator McCain, he just doesn't get it.

John McCain's idiotic attacks on Obama's patriotism, taken together with his reversals of his previous (and admirable) positions on major issues (the Bush tax cuts, offshore drilling, etc.) and his willingness to associate with pond scum like Karl Rove and Company, have pushed me out of his camp. The John McCain of eight years ago is no more. The so called "Maverick" is an establishment tool who, if elected, will owe plenty of favors to the kind of corporatists and party hacks -- the defense industry, the oil companies, [poop]heads like King Karl -- who've helped make such a mess of things in the last seven and a half years.

We, the Republican Party, are not worthy and do not deserve another four years. Under President Bush we've betrayed every principle we've stood for as a national party -- fiscal responsibility and discipline, limited government and a foreign policy guided by realism and coalition building.

Competence and integrity have no ideology. Obama in '08.

I'm seeing a lot of the same stuff happening here in "conservative central" Grand Rapids, MI. Its not about you, its about the country. Also, punishing the party for the idiots we've all been in the past eight years.
 
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McCain is no different. Take a look at his stance on the Bush Tax Cuts, off-shore oil drilling, his "criticisms" of the Iraq war, and hell, McCain is even trying to deny the FACT that he has been against MLK Day for a long, long time.
First off, what an interesting site to use as your source, a site that appears be pro-democratic. Second off, I bet these are the same folks who tried to claim McCain was a racist when he said he hated "gooks".

I'm not going to say that Obama has never changed his position on something, because quite clearly, he has. His mediation of his position on FISA was a bit disappointing, and now that he is using slightly different rhetoric against Iran, I'm a bit befuddled as well. But as far as that link there is concerned, these are already well-known issues with the mediation of his positions. Its something hes taken a lot of heat for already by far-left folks, and to be honest, I don't think there are many people in the middle who are completely happy either.
So then why basically condemn McCain for it, and not Obama? Obama stands for both sides according to his reports, FAR, FAR more than McCain has even been on record of, and that's a fact. Like I said, Obama has been called worse than a flip-flopper, so he must really have no idea on what he stands for.
 
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You're forgetting that McCain has admitted openly that he doesn't know anything about economics, so whats the difference?
For one, you are claiming that it makes you physically uneasy the way McCain will handle the economy despite seemingly knowing that Obama has just as little clue about what he is doing.
Furthermore, I personally feel a lot safer with someone who admits to to not being knowledgeable in a certain area than I do with someone who also clearly knows nothing about what they are trying to regulate but instead tries to make it seem as though he does by making broad promises and sweeping gestures with little connection to the reality of what they are promising.
 
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Why don't we just all find third party candidates if we dislike the Democrat and Republican ones? We have other options then the two main idiots running.
 
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