Obama wants your babies!

[gibson]

“One of the most dramatic changes in American life in the years since World War II involves the way we raise our children. We used to do it ourselves. Now, convinced we have better things to do, many of us leave the job to others. Encouraging this flight from parenthood, Sen. Barack Obama... has proposed what he calls his ‘Zero to Five’ plan. It is a collection of programs aimed at getting the government involved in the raising of your children from the moment they are born. ‘The first part of my plan focuses on providing quality affordable early childhood education to every child in America,’ Obama said... ‘As president, I will launch a Children’s First Agenda that provides care, learning and support to families with children ages zero to five.’ ‘We’ll create Early Learning Grants to help states create a system of high-quality early care and education for all young children and their families,’ he said. ‘And we’ll help more working parents find a safe, affordable place to leave their children during the day by improving the educational quality of our childcare programs and increasing the childcare tax credit.’ This week, Obama upped his ante by vowing to ‘double funding for after-school programs that help children learn and give parents relief.’ Obama, of course, will also continue to defend your ‘right’ to hire a physician to kill your child in utero so you won’t have to raise the child at all.” —Terence Jeffrey

Basicly, he wants to turn them into little comies.

 

[Tornado]

Basicly, he wants to turn them into little comies.

Yeah, we know.

 

[gibson]

Yeah, we know.

Just trying to reinforce the fact that he does.

 

[Loon]

What? I can't imagine how this is going to turn kids in commies. Its not like they're take kids from the parents and putting them into some kind of camp.

 

[Pupik]

“...” —Terence Jeffrey

Did he say that, or did he say that? Putting words in other people's mouths is not a debate.

This doesn't sound like communism, this sounds like e-mail glurge designed to scare people, especially with the throwaway line about killing babies right at the end. Right or wrong, nobody's forcing these parents or kids to join these government-funded initiatives. That's why it's not communism.

 

[Solid Fro]

Obama is too busy throwing supporters under the bus to worry about your babies.

 

[Zrow]

Basicly, he wants to turn them into little comies.

How so?

 

[YSSMAN]

This doesn't sound like communism, this sounds like e-mail glurge designed to scare people, especially with the throwaway line about killing babies right at the end. Right or wrong, nobody's forcing these parents or kids to join these government-funded initiatives. That's why it's not communism.

Quite right...

...And like it or not, its a fairly popular idea with a lot of people...

Too bad it would be McCain who'd be eating your babies:

Rawar!

 

[Sureboss]

If he wants my babies, he needs an anatomy lesson.

 

[Robin]

Too bad it would be McCain who'd be eating your babies:

Rawar!

 

[Tornado]

Too bad it would be McCain who'd be eating your babies:

Rawar!

That made me think of the Walt Disney Robot Chicken sketch.

 

[YSSMAN]

Well, I suppose it can't be any worse than...

...Which actually may not be that bad!

 

[Omnis]

Well, I suppose it can't be any worse than...

...Which actually may not be that bad!

Nixon would close the paper and coinage window and redeem dollars in CO2 credits.

 

[Solid Fro]

Yes! Robot Nixon!

 

[Solid Lifters]

Too bad Robot Nixon feeds on babies. He could've made it to the White House.

 

[Omnis]

Nixon is to Robot Nixon as Kissinger is to ______.

 

[YSSMAN]

...Somewhere there is a joke about Agnew and Checkers...

 

[FoolKiller]

Right or wrong, nobody's forcing these parents or kids to join these government-funded initiatives. That's why it's not communism.

But he does supposedly (because I don't know how true this is) want us all to pay for it. That is socialism.

 

[Loon]

But he does supposedly (because I don't know how true this is) want us all to pay for it. That is socialism.

Isn't that just taxes?

 

[FoolKiller]

Isn't that just taxes?

Taxes being used for a social welfare system.


I won't even go into how that exceeds the Constitution's definition of the powers of Congress.

 

[Loon]

Taxes being used for a social welfare system.

They aren't already? Wouldn't this just be on a larger scale of what counties and towns do? The main thing I'm thinking about is the public school system. Does that count as a social welfare system?

 

[Tornado]

They aren't already?

That is no reason to make it any larger than it is now.

 

[Loon]

That is no reason to make it any larger than it is now.

What would be the repercussion if it was implemented on a larger scale?

 

[Tornado]

Well, theoretically speaking, if it was to keep expanding we would end up with Communism. I don't think it would ever get that far, but I wouldn't want to take the chance.

 

[FoolKiller]

They aren't already? Wouldn't this just be on a larger scale of what counties and towns do? The main thing I'm thinking about is the public school system. Does that count as a social welfare system?

Yes, it does. It is providing a public service, funded by taxes, that was once a purely private institution when the country was founded.

What would be the repercussion if it was implemented on a larger scale?

If we are just discussing education: Before we can even talk about expanding the system it needs to prove it can work the same for everyone without bleeding cash like an open wound. The people who could use this the most won't be getting anything beneficial. Look at schools in low income areas. This program won't be any different.

Best case scenario: This is just as wasteful as public schools. Worst case scenario: It is even more wasteful.

Now if you are referring to taxes used for social welfare, yeah it gets closer and closer to a full-fledge socialized system.

And I have completely avoided the whole taking money from one person to give to someone else discussion here. See my sig for my thoughts on that (and ultimate worst case scenario).

 

[Loon]

Yes, it does. It is providing a public service, funded by taxes, that was once a purely private institution when the country was founded.


If we are just discussing education: Before we can even talk about expanding the system it needs to prove it can work the same for everyone without bleeding cash like an open wound. The people who could use this the most won't be getting anything beneficial. Look at schools in low income areas. This program won't be any different.

Best case scenario: This is just as wasteful as public schools. Worst case scenario: It is even more wasteful.

Now if you are referring to taxes used for social welfare, yeah it gets closer and closer to a full-fledge socialized system.

And I have completely avoided the whole taking money from one person to give to someone else discussion here. See my sig for my thoughts on that (and ultimate worst case scenario).

I see...

We do that though. Isn't that why taxes in California are so high? They pay for people to live poor states like Maine, where it's just as easy to collect welfare than it is to go hunt for a job.

 

[Zrow]

Basicly, he wants to turn them into little comies.

I'd just like to say that this kind of phrase sucks, and has no place in political debate. Give me an argument, not stupid rhetoric.

 

[Omnis]

But he does supposedly (because I don't know how true this is) want us all to pay for it. That is socialism.

And what is being paid for is monopolized by the state. Liberal Fascism.

 

[a6m5]

I understand FK's stance, and if Danoff's still around, I'm sure he'll be fuming when he sees it, too.

There are many young parents around me, and childcare is one of the things that's killing them financially. There are people who will almost lose money by showing up to work, between the childcare and commute expenses(extra car, gas, etc.).

I hate paying more taxes, but if the birth rate in this country(excluding the illegals immigrants ) come down low enough, program(s) to help out with their daycare I think would be a good idea. Before it's too late like Japan or South Korea.

 

[Zrow]

I don't really understand what you mean, Omnis. Are you saying that the public school system is being monopolized by the state?

We used to do it ourselves. Now, convinced we have better things to do, many of us leave the job to others.

This is a ridiculous statement. Nobody WANTS to leave their kids for a job.

It is a collection of programs aimed at getting the government involved in the raising of your children from the moment they are born.

It's not THAT sinister. The role of government here is definitely debatable, and I'm likely to agree that people who don't use it shouldn't have to pay for it. But it may promote getting and keeping a steady job by the parent(s), and in general it doesn't seem as bad as a lot of the pork that gets dished out.


Unfortunately, a lot of the money would probably be wasted anyway, in the bureaucratic mess that is the government.