Offline, Online or Both?

[B80]

I play both modes. Online gets adrenaline, competitive side going more, but can be more demanding mentally, so if I'm really tired in the evening prefer something more laid back. Offline is great too, more relaxed.

No one does care, apart from people I know who are into it. But here's the thing, that goes for most things in life, most don't give a damn about yiu achieve in anything (in a positive way), beyond a quick chat or unless it benefits them in some way (beyond close family).

 

[TJ31]

Only offline for GT. Nothing against online modes and I have countless thousand hours in MMORPGs, and even DS series alone where I have almost 15k hours played combined between DeS, DS1-3, BB and ER. 2/3 of which is for the online mode, some co-op and a lot of PvP/invasions. I have also played SC:BW and SC2 on a semi-competitive level for a number of years.
But for me GT is somewhat a mix of an "rpg" and the time trial where I drive some cars I like on the tracks I like. If I feel like I want to be competitive I just launch other games.

In a way it's a beauty and the curse of the whole series. Some like tuning, some like setting best times either online and offline, some like collecting, some just drive casually.
The game has to be phenomenal to satisfy all those needs for the majority of the players, which GT is not since GT5 (GT4 had online too, but while it was possible on the PS2... it really wasn't viable for most people, nothing like we have since PS3 generation) as it tries to do so many things and fails to do them right aside of the core/base driving experience.

So then you have... well, GT7. Where offline players like myself are not happy with the amount of content, online players are not happy with the state of the lobbies/online component, and most are just not happy with other game's features and quirks, like the game's economy.

 

[AutumnalGlow]

I just want to drive the cars I want, where I want, when I want. I can only really get that offline. Not too interested in competition, though more competent AI with a difficulty slider would be ideal... maybe along with less of a reduction in rewards for finishing lower in singleplayer so I don't feel so compelled to always win. Losing is fun when it doesn't mean you progress even slower in a very slow in-game economy.

 

[BangsMcCoy]

Almost exclusively offline. Online only when I link up with personal friends for some quick races and very rarely will I go online with randoms.

 

[Artremis]

Ok. And what you get for beating them? Feeling of pride and accomplishment that you beat someone in game?

Yes? It can both be a game and a competition. Some people have more fun playing the game against the AI, others have more fun competing against people in the game. I don't see what's weird about it (though to be fair the original post was also as weirdly dismissive)

 

[Neris__]

Yes? It can both be a game and a competition. Some people have more fun playing the game against the AI, others have more fun competing against people in the game. I don't see what's weird about it (though to be fair the original post was also as weirdly dismissive)

That seems fair if you have fun competing against people in the game. Good for you.

 

[Kratos_Q8]

i only play offline dont like the wait for the race to start and people raming me all over the place not to mention connection issues

 

[tozkan7]

Both, i wish to play with a real competitive AI on offline mode but the good side is the game teaches a lot of things about the brands history.
As you know, online has more adrenaline.
That's why I said both.

 

[Voodoovaj]

i only play offline dont like the wait for the race to start and people raming me all over the place not to mention connection issues

Not to question your preference, but I see this "ramming all the time" comment so often, where does it come from? I don't see ramming all the time in lobbies. Yes, there's a lot of contact in lower DR rooms but to say it's "ramming all the time" is extreme. If it were true, no one would ever progress out of the lowest DR and SR ranks.

Seems to me that it's one of those stories that gets passed around, and every once in a while when something similar happens, it gets blown up into something that happens "all the time".


The AI hits me ALL THE TIME and that's not an exaggeration. I have to go out of my way to avoid contact with it, because I know that it doesn't see me.

 

[Kean_1]

Not to question your preference, but I see this "ramming all the time" comment so often, where does it come from? I don't see ramming all the time in lobbies. Yes, there's a lot of contact in lower DR rooms but to say it's "ramming all the time" is extreme. If it were true, no one would ever progress out of the lowest DR and SR ranks.

Seems to me that it's one of those stories that gets passed around, and every once in a while when something similar happens, it gets blown up into something that happens "all the time".


The AI hits me ALL THE TIME and that's not an exaggeration. I have to go out of my way to avoid contact with it, because I know that it doesn't see me.

He didn't say "all the time", he said he gets rammed all over the place.

Personally, I agree. The few times I have tried playing online, I would purposely get bumped and/or hit by someone being really reckless vs. simply aggressive. In either case, it was too frustrating to deal with.

I play GT7 offline but I might be interested if I had enough friends who wanted to play together. I wish I could play with a couple friends and AI vs. having to deal with randoms to fill the field.

 

[Neris__]

I am going to check online - sport mode - (I heard that lobbies are still terrible) in next few days to check if it is that bad

 

[Veinz]

Both, but I haven’t done much online racing in GT7 for various reasons.

 

[Kratos_Q8]

Not to question your preference, but I see this "ramming all the time" comment so often, where does it come from? I don't see ramming all the time in lobbies. Yes, there's a lot of contact in lower DR rooms but to say it's "ramming all the time" is extreme. If it were true, no one would ever progress out of the lowest DR and SR ranks.

Seems to me that it's one of those stories that gets passed around, and every once in a while when something similar happens, it gets blown up into something that happens "all the time".


The AI hits me ALL THE TIME and that's not an exaggeration. I have to go out of my way to avoid contact with it, because I know that it doesn't see me.

you probably right im saying that based on videos i see on youtube and add to that i also dont want nor should i pay extra to play online i play online on pc for free unless its WoW or FF14

 

[Voodoovaj]

you probably right im saying that based on videos i see on youtube and add to that i also dont want nor should i pay extra to play online i play online on pc for free unless its WoW or FF14

Fair point about paying for PS Plus.

I do it for the free games. It pays for itself in that regard.

 

[Voodoovaj]

Good for you I guess. For me it seems meaningless but I sense trolling 🤣

What's the meaning of offline then?

It's a driving game where all the other drivers are set to allow you to win, so what's the point?

If you prefer offline, fine...many prefer online (myself included) because there's a challenge there. There's no challenge to offline once the licenses and circuit experience is completed.

 

[mattikake]

Not to question your preference, but I see this "ramming all the time" comment so often, where does it come from? I don't see ramming all the time in lobbies. Yes, there's a lot of contact in lower DR rooms but to say it's "ramming all the time" is extreme. If it were true, no one would ever progress out of the lowest DR and SR ranks.

Seems to me that it's one of those stories that gets passed around, and every once in a while when something similar happens, it gets blown up into something that happens "all the time".


The AI hits me ALL THE TIME and that's not an exaggeration. I have to go out of my way to avoid contact with it, because I know that it doesn't see me.

Ime it's only the lower DR sport races with that issue. Once you get into A/A+ lobbies there's very little of it, mainly because people prefer having a good rating that can take months to acquire v's the momentary satisfaction from a childish tantrum. I've had loads of very respectful races. Certainly more than you would against idiotic unrealistic AI that likes to follow a preset line whether you are there or not. If you do get a rammer it features in a video because it's so rare. Kinda like the doom and gloom MSM.

The fact that offline drivers regularly spout this stuff is likely because they are stuck in bum lobbies, and tells you all you need to know about their actual ability... nevertheless ego must be served and it can be deluded with a fake reality.

 

[Neris__]

What's the meaning of offline then?

It's a driving game where all the other drivers are set to allow you to win, so what's the point?

If you prefer offline, fine...many prefer online (myself included) because there's a challenge there. There's no challenge to offline once the licenses and circuit experience is completed.

You mean what is the goal for me in offline? Collecting cars and driving them for fun. The only way to do it efficiently is to stick to single player (offline) because sport mode payouts are awfully low even for winning the race so there is no incentive for me to play in this mode. So if sport mode had better payouts than offline then obviously I would play in sport mode.

As I showed in earlier posts - only 2.6% of Gran Turismo 7 players have more than 50 races in sport mode after 4 months. I also wrote earlier - I don't look for a challenge and competition in this game (even if I golded all missions and circuit experiences).

Tho as I said in my earlier post:

I am going to check online - sport mode - (I heard that lobbies are still terrible) in next few days to check if it is that bad

 

[mattikake]

Go for it. Your first race will be high tension, full of nerves and adrenaline. Just like any other competitive environment. It can become highly addictive if you do well, just like any risk v reward experience.

 

[Neris__]

Go for it. Your first race will be high tension, full of nerves and adrenaline. Just like any other competitive environment. It can become highly addictive if you do well, just like any risk v reward experience.

I had my first races in GT Sport already so I am used to online races and I wasn't full of nerves and adrenaline.

 

[Veinz]

From my anecdotal experience with GTS and GT7, as long as you keep your SR maxed out or very close to it then the sport mode lobbies are generally really clean. They are certainly much cleaner than what I experienced in Forza Motorsport or F1 throughout the years.

Imho the people that are constantly complaining about bad driving are more than likely part of the problem.

 

[PirovacBoy]

I prefer a challenge, so only play online. I can't imagine there is anyone "good" who only races the AI. Offline is a convenient place to satisfy a delicate ego.

Wow, so by your Statements, I have to be a “Bad“ Player with a delicate Ego, right?!

The challenge is to win races. The AI are deliberately set (in any game) so that it is beatable. Against people the only limit is what other people bring. If you want to find out if you're any good, there is only one way...

If Winning is the only Incentive you’re playing and racing, we’ll then good luck.
Maybe you shouldn’t back out like a Coward next time we race 😉 because that’s what you‘ve proven to me.

Dunno if you noticed, but motor racing is a sport. A sport is about competing to be the best and competing to win against a field who also all have the same idea. There is no bigger challenge than trying to beat another human.

And yes, I do think offline players are scared. I think they know they have an ego that is bigger than their talent. It's not bizarre. It makes perfect sense.

😂 This one is good. So actually my Ego is bigger than my Talent, right ?! I‘m scared.
Maybe it’s YOU who got scared loosing, right?! 😉

Except the world sees DR and SR when you're not even online or even quit playing the game. It's a permanent record of achievement. It generates respect from other people.

I made my Achievements visible by publicly posting my Stats.
Do I have your respect now?!
I don’t care about anyones' respect.
I respect myself and that’s what matters to me. 😏

Esports? It is real competition. It just happens in front of a computer.

Everyone cares. It's how humans are built.

I don’t care. I care about Fair Play and the Spirit of competing against similar minded People.
ESports are a good thing as long as People play by the same rules you know.
Obviously, some would trade their Mother for a Win. No honor, no respect.

Everyone has an ego. Everyone cares. This is why some hide away offline so they can pretend. I back mine up and put it on the line.

I have an Ego. A realistic one. You showed me yours as soon as you quit the race.
I backed mine up and won against honorable Players who didn’t quit because they had no realistic chance of Winning.
They showed REAL Honor and Respect.
That’s greatness. 😉

Do we brag? Yes. Have I gotten respect from family and friends? Yes. Have I gotten respect from other players? Yes. Have I gotten respect from other league/community players? Yes.

Good for you. I appreciate that.
My respect you‘ve totally lost.
You had the chance to prove what Wood you’re made off.
It’s fragile.
I can’t respect you. Sorry. You disappointed me. But I‘d give you a 2nd Chance anytime, anywhere. 😁

The fact that offline drivers regularly spout this stuff is likely because they are stuck in bum lobbies, and tells you all you need to know about their actual ability... nevertheless ego must be served and it can be deluded with a fake reality.

So my abilities are limited, right?! 😂
And therefore I hide inside my Bubble.
😂 and therefore I get my fix in offline Mode, right?! Fake reality,right?!
Wake up my Friend and gitgud.
It’s about time 😉

 

[Hapexamendios]

All cafe menus, single player races offline. All sports mode multiplayer lobbies online. It isn't exactly rocket science.

 

[Neris__]

Wow, so by your Statements, I have to be a “Bad“ Player with a delicate Ego, right?!

If Winning is the only Incentive you’re playing and racing, we’ll then good luck.
Maybe you shouldn’t back out like a Coward next time we race 😉 because that’s what you‘ve proven to me.


😂 This one is good. So actually my Ego is bigger than my Talent, right ?! I‘m scared.
Maybe it’s YOU who got scared loosing, right?! 😉


I made my Achievements visible by publicly posting my Stats.
Do I have your respect now?!
I don’t care about anyones' respect.
I respect myself and that’s what matters to me. 😏

I don’t care. I care about Fair Play and the Spirit of competing against similar minded People.
ESports are a good thing as long as People play by the same rules you know.
Obviously, some would trade their Mother for a Win. No honor, no respect.


I have an Ego. A realistic one. You showed me yours as soon as you quit the race.
I backed mine up and won against honorable Players who didn’t quit because they had no realistic chance of Winning.
They showed REAL Honor and Respect.
That’s greatness. 😉

Good for you. I appreciate that.
My respect you‘ve totally lost.
You had the chance to prove what Wood you’re made off.
It’s fragile.
I can’t respect you. Sorry. You disappointed me. But I‘d give you a 2nd Chance anytime, anywhere. 😁

So my abilities are limited, right?! 😂
And therefore I hide inside my Bubble.
😂 and therefore I get my fix in offline Mode, right?! Fake reality,right?!
Wake up my Friend and gitgud.
It’s about time 😉

🤣

 

[SuperSportX]

Mostly offline as I tried the online section for the freeroam lobbies when the game first came out but being DQ'd when the host leaves was too frequent + I have much more fun with custom races.

 

[Voodoovaj]

You mean what is the goal for me in offline? Collecting cars and driving them for fun. The only way to do it efficiently is to stick to single player (offline) because sport mode payouts are awfully low even for winning the race so there is no incentive for me to play in this mode. So if sport mode had better payouts than offline then obviously I would play in sport mode.

As I showed in earlier posts - only 2.6% of Gran Turismo 7 players have more than 50 races in sport mode after 4 months. I also wrote earlier - I don't look for a challenge and competition in this game (even if I golded all missions and circuit experiences).

Tho as I said in my earlier post:

There's also a large percentage of people that haven't completed a single menu book. Or that have even tried circuit experience.

Roughly 90% of the single player experience is a repeat of GTSport single player, so, if collecting is the goal, the best strategy is to play the last game. Same cars, easier to obtain, and in many case cheaper.

I am pointing this out because of the way you characterized online as pointless, while not having the a truly objective view of single player.

 

[Neris__]

There's also a large percentage of people that haven't completed a single menu book. Or that have even tried circuit experience.

Roughly 90% of the single player experience is a repeat of GTSport single player, so, if collecting is the goal, the best strategy is to play the last game. Same cars, easier to obtain, and in many case cheaper.

I am pointing this out because of the way you characterized online as pointless, while not having the a truly objective view of single player.

"go play old game" great tip 🤣but I didn't ask for it. GT Sport was focused on e-sport and online and this is why it wasn't Gran Turismo 7 so I don't know what you are talking about but it seems to be some nonsense 🤣 .

It seems that you are salty about my opinion that online modes in GT7 are bad and there is 0 incentive to play them and the fact that sport mode playerbase isn't even 3% of all GT7 players.

 

[TonyLomas]

I play both online and offline.
I play offline more often. And that's because there's more options for different types of races and different challenges.
Online (in sport mode at least) seems very slow to get a race and it puzzles me that when you finish one race it's such a long time before the next race starts. I do appreciate though, that if sport mode had 50 events to choose from there wouldn't be enough racers to make decent races.

 

[MatskiMonk]

Too many ***** online.

I gave it a go in GTS and it wasn't worth it, haven't even bother trying in GT7.

 

[Voodoovaj]

"go play old game" great tip 🤣but I didn't ask for it. GT Sport was focused on e-sport and online and this is why it wasn't Gran Turismo 7 so I don't know what you are talking about but it seems to be some nonsense 🤣 .

It seems that you are salty about my opinion that online modes in GT7 are bad and there is 0 incentive to play them and the fact that sport mode playerbase isn't even 3% of all GT7 players.

There is "0 incentive" for you to play online.

There is "0 incentive" for me to play offline. Because grinding, with no enjoyment, isn't play. It's work.

It all depends on the perspective. Many who prefer to play online, don't bother playing Gran Turismo anymore for many reasons.

 

[Neris__]

There is "0 incentive" for me to play offline. Because grinding, with no enjoyment, isn't play. It's work.

You mean what is the goal for me in offline? Collecting cars and driving them for fun.

🤔

I can agree with grinding point because I stopped grinding as soon as they fixed/nerfed Tomahawk and if not this ticket glitch then probably I wouldn't come back to Gran Turismo 7. Because right now I have 427/433 cars and I have enough credits saved for last 6 legendary cars (fk rotation btw.) then I consider trying sport mode soon.