Offline, Online or Both?

[Voodoovaj]

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I can agree with grinding point because I stopped grinding as soon as they fixed/nerfed Tomahawk and if not this ticket glitch then probably I wouldn't come back to Gran Turismo 7. Because right now I have 427/433 cars and I have enough credits saved for last 6 legendary cars (fk rotation btw.) then I consider trying sport mode soon.

Just remember, for all those people who like offline, as long as the numbers remain the way they are, there is absolutely ZERO reason for PD/Sony to change the game.

The numbers are showing that people enjoy single player as it is. So, for all the complaints about terrible single player races, the participation levels are showing something else.

All any one person can do is act based on their feelings. I play Sport Mode because, for me, it's the only worthwhile mode to play even if the payout is terrible. Now that there are friendly tuning races, it's really the only mode to play once the tests and circuit experience is complete. GT is (again, for me) the best blend of realism and ease of play. If I want "real" I'll go to a real track with a real car.


Side note - I have the difficulty set to level 3 (I don't remember what they call it). I raced LeMans 700pp for money. I fell asleep on the last lap and crashed into the pit entrance. I don't know how long I was asleep for, but it was the impact that woke me up. I still almost won the race. Things like this are why I dislike offline.

 

[Neris__]

Just remember, for all those people who like offline, as long as the numbers remain the way they are, there is absolutely ZERO reason for PD/Sony to change the game.

The numbers are showing that people enjoy single player as it is. So, for all the complaints about terrible single player races, the participation levels are showing something else.

All any one person can do is act based on their feelings. I play Sport Mode because, for me, it's the only worthwhile mode to play even if the payout is terrible. Now that there are friendly tuning races, it's really the only mode to play once the tests and circuit experience is complete. GT is (again, for me) the best blend of realism and ease of play. If I want "real" I'll go to a real track with a real car.


Side note - I have the difficulty set to level 3 (I don't remember what they call it). I raced LeMans 700pp for money. I fell asleep on the last lap and crashed into the pit entrance. I don't know how long I was asleep for, but it was the impact that woke me up. I still almost won the race. Things like this are why I dislike offline.

This is why I am not saying that I like racing in offline. I said that I like driving different cars. I wouldn't call this sleepfest in offline that it is racing.

 

[TonyLomas]

Side note - I have the difficulty set to level 3 (I don't remember what they call it). I raced LeMans 700pp for money. I fell asleep on the last lap and crashed into the pit entrance. I don't know how long I was asleep for, but it was the impact that woke me up. I still almost won the race. Things like this are why I dislike offline.

You can always do the race in a slower car or with comfort tyres. That will make offline racing more challenging and fun.
I know the AI isn't perfect but it's mostly clean racing and you can always do custom races to make the opposition and track interesting.

 

[Voodoovaj]

You can always do the race in a slower car or with comfort tyres. That will make offline racing more challenging and fun.
I know the AI isn't perfect but it's mostly clean racing and you can always do custom races to make the opposition and track interesting.

Custom races are awful for me, and since they removed the handicap bonus that GTSport had, using a slower car is pointless.

 

[PirovacBoy]

I voted for both.

Offline Mode offers me the possibility to drive and race all of my Cars at ANY Track at ANY Time under ANY Circumstances I wish to.
I personally ENJOY driving my Cars. Driving and racing them. Appreciating them. All of them.
That’s what Offline Mode offers me.
I NEVER did this Tomahawk Grind thing many here talk about. I don’t even have this Car 😅
To me there’s no fun in repeating the same Race over and over and over and yeah, guess what… I didn’t even do the Engine Glitch Thing
I prefer to drive and actually play and enjoy the Game, have fun and a good time.
But to each his own.
Offline Mode, especially the Custom Race Mode is my Playground in Offline Mode.
I can do and set it up exactly to my likings.
It’s a Sandbox full of possibilities.
I know exactly how to use it to get what I’m looking for.
First and foremost a Fair and challenging Racing Experience.

Online Mode on the other Side offers me the possibility to set up my Multiplayer Lobbies and race and compete against similar Minded People.
Or joining Lobbies with Peers who share the same Spirit and drive by similar Standards and respect each other.

Sport Mode on the other Hand, I completely lost interest.
There’s no Sport. No Sportsmanship. No Rules. No Spirit. No respect. No Fair Play.

There’s Nothing what I personally define as "Sport" .
Again, to each his own.

But reading the “Daily Races" Thread pretty much confirms EVERYTHING I think and experienced about it.
Groundhog Day 😅

So overall I’d say I can equally enjoy both Modes. The Best of both Worlds.
Man, I’m happy with GT7. Very happy and satisfied 😁

 

[Def-Infinity]

A healthy mix of custom races, free run lobbies and daily races (Offline & Online):

• You can do some things in custom races that you can't really organize all too well with real players. Custom one-makes and classes that might interest less than 5 people or so for a league. Can also make them as close or difficult as I want at any time.
• Been 'free-running' the Nords and other tracks since GT6. I used to talk smack about cruising in a racing game, but it turned out to be really therapeutic. Often not enough competitive drivers to stick around for the racing.
• Almost exclusively sport mode race C. The pressure of a good battle doesn't hurt every once in a while, though FIA is everything I don't want. I can't really explain it, but it feels like there's a atmosphere there that I don't really want to be a part of. Too serious for me to be comfortable with.

 

[mattikake]

Wow, so by your Statements, I have to be a “Bad“ Player with a delicate Ego, right?!

If Winning is the only Incentive you’re playing and racing, we’ll then good luck.
Maybe you shouldn’t back out like a Coward next time we race 😉 because that’s what you‘ve proven to me.


😂 This one is good. So actually my Ego is bigger than my Talent, right ?! I‘m scared.
Maybe it’s YOU who got scared loosing, right?! 😉


I made my Achievements visible by publicly posting my Stats.
Do I have your respect now?!
I don’t care about anyones' respect.
I respect myself and that’s what matters to me. 😏

I don’t care. I care about Fair Play and the Spirit of competing against similar minded People.
ESports are a good thing as long as People play by the same rules you know.
Obviously, some would trade their Mother for a Win. No honor, no respect.


I have an Ego. A realistic one. You showed me yours as soon as you quit the race.
I backed mine up and won against honorable Players who didn’t quit because they had no realistic chance of Winning.
They showed REAL Honor and Respect.
That’s greatness. 😉

Good for you. I appreciate that.
My respect you‘ve totally lost.
You had the chance to prove what Wood you’re made off.
It’s fragile.
I can’t respect you. Sorry. You disappointed me. But I‘d give you a 2nd Chance anytime, anywhere. 😁

So my abilities are limited, right?! 😂
And therefore I hide inside my Bubble.
😂 and therefore I get my fix in offline Mode, right?! Fake reality,right?!
Wake up my Friend and gitgud.
It’s about time 😉

Shhh. I'm trying to goad people into playing online.

What is this race you speak of? There's many reasons to quit - lag, being punted at turn 1, disconnects, someone at the door, picked the wrong car/tyres by accident etc. I've never quit a race because there was someone I couldn't beat. There's always someone you can't beat. I'm quite happy to finish 2nd if it was a good race. In fact I'd rather have a good battle and come 2nd than win by miles. But this doesn't change the objective of racing, which is to win.

 

[PirovacBoy]

Shhh. I'm trying to goad people into playing online.

What is this race you speak of? There's many reasons to quit - lag, being punted at turn 1, disconnects, someone at the door, picked the wrong car/tyres by accident etc. I've never quit a race because there was someone I couldn't beat. There's always someone you can't beat. I'm quite happy to finish 2nd if it was a good race. In fact I'd rather have a good battle and come 2nd than win by miles. But this doesn't change the objective of racing, which is to win.

I don’t think we should discuss this further Publicly or in this Thread.
It’s too off topic.
If you want to know what I’m talking about, PM me and I’ll explain and show you what I was talking about.
But by judging the Replay Footage, you simply made a mistake and spun.
And then you suddenly disappeared without saying anything.
This is not my understanding of Fair and respectful playing.
And it definitely wasn’t any of your aforementioned Reasons which of course can always happen.
This was a pure Rage Quit.
A true Sportsman would never act like that.

Imagine a Football, Hockey, Basketball or Car Race irl.
Or a Martial Arts Contest.
And everyone just leaves the Court or Track…not the fine British Art.
Not very Sportsmanlike.
Quite disrespectful and against any Rules.
If you talk about ESport as a Sport than the least I expect is to obey and respect a certain Ruleset. Rage quitting is very childish.
Unfortunately, that’s what most Egoistic People do when playing Online.
So it’s not something that’s specifically on your Side.
It’s nothing new.
It just proves that Competitive Online Racing is a nice idea, if People follow some Rules.
You play by the Rules, you win by the Rules or not.
But show some Respect towards the others and don’t just disappear Wordless.
There’s always a Reason for quitting.
But Frustration is no excuse.

But who am I to tell you this.
I‘m a bad Player with delicate Ego, right?!

 

[NAXEHT]

This post turned out a bit longer than I thought but these are my thoughts on this topic...

I voted for the option “mostly online”. With that I don’t mean to say that offline is lacking importance or without merit, it definitely has some but if asked to rank the two parts of the game I value online higher as it to me is what gives the game more life. I always play through and complete the offline/singleplayer career mode, licenses and whatnot but for a majority of what that mode looks like it’s flying through it once and then be done with it.

Unless a select few events are particular money makers or the like, why would I return to them? An online part which gives the offline section more life are the leaderboards for licences and Circuit Experience for example. Not sure exactly how to value that. It’s both offline and online and a great combination of both. Kinda same with Time Trials. Without said leaderboards I see no point in returning to those but with them it gives you something to fight for and achieve (assuming gold is already cleared).

I thought GT Sport was an excellent game and I’ve had the most fun I’ve ever had in any Gran Turismo game in the Sport Mode section of GT Sport. Matchmaking and BoP has/has had its certain issues at times but generally it’s pretty damn good and provided me with the best racing I’ve ever had in any GT game. I know people have wildly different experiences with this but I think it also depends a bit on oneself and one’s attitude. I think it’s probably easy to give up too quickly and form a steadfast opinion with limited time and experience, which I interpret as a mistake.

Lobbies (for argument’s sake, let’s look past the current issues of them in GT7) is another online part giving the game tons of life and great racing opportunities. It does demand some organisation to make it work well but having that sorted it’s a great tool (though it could be massively improved even in GT Sport condition, raise the number from 16 to 24 or 30, please PD!). I don’t recommend going in to the lobby section randomly trying to find a good race because you’ll struggle with participation numbers, disorganisation, confusing (or lack of) rules, weird car combinations, etc. Leagues are the way to go.

I’ve been part of Swedish one since 2017 where we’ve had consistent races in mostly Gr.3 (about to start our 24th season soon), sometimes other categories as well as one-off events such as longer WEC endurance type races, NASCAR oval racing and more. For people who haven’t seeked out anything similar fitting to them I can warmly recommend racing leagues. It’s really worth it. And not impossible even if you’re not “the social type”. Perfectly possible to join and participate in a league without being a social master.

I always found it pretty tragicomic when people complain that offline races are too easy but at the same time vehemently refuse online. Do you long for close, challenging and with the right people, very fair racing? I don’t want to sound like an ass, but really, online is where you’ll find that.

 

[Timm Sheehan]

What's the meaning of offline then?

It's a driving game where all the other drivers are set to allow you to win, so what's the point?

If you prefer offline, fine...many prefer online (myself included) because there's a challenge there. There's no challenge to offline once the licenses and circuit experience is completed.

If the AI is set for you to win I wish someone would tell my AI that. A guaranteed win is not what I see, when I do win it is hard earned.

 

[mattikake]

If the AI is set for you to win I wish someone would tell my AI that. A guaranteed win is not what I see, when I do win it is hard earned.

Git Gud? Of course it has to be beatable [by someone] or the game is faulty. It would like be trying to complete a level on a platform game that is out of reach. It would be classed as a bug or poor design. By it's nature is HAS to be beatable.

And the once you do, what's next? Uninstall and play something else?

On the other side of the challenge fence is playing against other people. There is zero game requirement for them to be beatable. If fact they don't want to be beatable. The difficulty is set by other players and it's variable too.

And if you do, then there is the next race and the next.

 

[Streeto]

A good clean online race will always leave me feeling better than a good offline race.

I come from an MMO background so online play will always be my favored style.

GT5 was great online, it's a shame it's gone downhill since.

 

[Samus]

The difficulty is set by other players and it's variable too.

Exactly what many people don't want.

 

[Dave A]

Exactly what many people don't want.

Agreed, I find online to be a hassle. I'm either with racers who are a lot better than me, racers who are a lot worse, or racers who actually are more interested in ramming people than racing. I want a good single player experience with an AI difficulty I can scale so that I can beat them if I race well but can lose if I make a couple of mistakes.

I have next to zero interest in racing other players online, give me a good single player experience any day of the week. I'm the same with other genres too, RPG's and FPS's for example, I want a great single player experience, not an online crap fest of differing abilities and focuses.

 

[Samus]

Agreed, I find online to be a hassle. I'm either with racers who are a lot better than me, racers who are a lot worse, or racers who actually are more interested in ramming people than racing. I want a good single player experience with an AI difficulty I can scale so that I can beat them if I race well but can lose if I make a couple of mistakes.

I have next to zero interest in racing other players online, give me a good single player experience any day of the week. I'm the same with other genres too, RPG's and FPS's for example, I want a great single player experience, not an online crap fest of differing abilities and focuses.

Exactly. I played GTS online on one of those PS+ free weekends, I did a grand total of 5 races. 4 of them I won easily because the others were all terrible and/or ramming each other, the other one was the same except for one guy who was seemingly Senna reincarnated and thrashed me. That's how online goes in any game, because no matter what ranking system they use, you can only race whoever is online at that moment, entering the same race you are. If your closest skillset drivers are all sleeping or in another race, you get paired with people who aren't at your skill level, either way.

 

[Dave A]

Exactly. I played GTS online on one of those PS+ free weekends, I did a grand total of 5 races. 4 of them I won easily because the others were all terrible and/or ramming each other, the other one was the same except for one guy who was seemingly Senna reincarnated and thrashed me. That's how online goes in any game, because no matter what ranking system they use, you can only race whoever is online at that moment, entering the same race you are. If your closest skillset drivers are all sleeping or in another race, you get paired with people who aren't at your skill level, either way.

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There's also the convenience of single player, no waiting around in lobbies, not waiting for players to join, the ability to restart a race if I mess up on lap 1 etc. There's nothing wrong with people preferring online, but there's equally nothing wrong with people preferring single player either and PD sold a lot of players on promises of the single player mode being the most complete in Gran Turismo to date. It's not.

 

[Timm Sheehan]

Git Gud? Of course it has to be beatable [by someone] or the game is faulty. It would like be trying to complete a level on a platform game that is out of reach. It would be classed as a bug or poor design. By it's nature is HAS to be beatable.

And the once you do, what's next? Uninstall and play something else?

On the other side of the challenge fence is playing against other people. There is zero game requirement for them to be beatable. If fact they don't want to be beatable. The difficulty is set by other players and it's variable too.

And if you do, then there is the next race and the next.

Why is it that when a person says something the response often presented is "Get good" or as some say "Git gud"? Did everyone wake up and start racing at the A+ level around here? How about we stop stating the obvious (we all know we have to get better) and offer some pleasant opinions. . . is that just to much to ask?

 

[Def-Infinity]

Why is it that when a person says something the response often presented is "Get good" or as some say "Git gud"? Did everyone wake up and start racing at the A+ level around here? How about we stop stating the obvious (we all know we have to get better) and offer some pleasant opinions. . . is that just to much to ask?

Hope this helps!

 

[Live25]

For me there is close to 0 incentive to play online in Gran Turismo 7.
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Massive 2.6% after 4 months.

This speaks volumes about the perception of the online functionality and a major factor as to why I don't play online.

2. Collecting cars in efficient way is my goal in this game and having fun while driving different cars, checking performance of different cars. It is impossible to efficiently farm credits in Sport Mode (50 to 100k credits for a win in 15-20 minutes race). 0 incentive to play Sport Mode for me.

I'm hopelessly addicted to grinding as well and online pays donkey-balls.

Except the world sees DR and SR when you're not even online or even quit playing the game. It's a permanent record of achievement. It generates respect from other people.

Uhhhhh, no. I have plenty of games to wield my power fantasies. That doesn't mean I play every game that way and for this particular game, I don't.

I don't set up a podium and spray champagne in my living room if I beat a game.

I promise you, had I been drinking champagne when I read this comment, it definitely would've been sprayed all over my living room!

There's no challenge to offline once the licenses and circuit experience is completed.

Perhaps you're not familiar with Dynamic Weather (half-joking here)?

Go for it. Your first race will be high tension, full of nerves and adrenaline. Just like any other competitive environment. It can become highly addictive if you do well, just like any risk v reward experience.

Or not, I couldn't care less in either of the 2 races I ran that ONE time. You are working under a false assumption that everyone playing this game plays it for the exact same reason that you do. If I want to get sweaty, I have other games I'd prefer to get sweaty with.

I raced LeMans 700pp for money. I fell asleep on the last lap and crashed into the pit entrance. I don't know how long I was asleep for, but it was the impact that woke me up. I still almost won the race. Things like this are why I dislike offline.

I have certainly been there a time or two. That's typically more a by-product of my alcohol consumption though. 🤣

Honestly, if I play this game online, my only incentive would be for the Platinum. That does not make me a trash player that needs to 'git gud', it makes me a casual that loves a beautiful game with beautiful cars and a relatively healthy community to enjoy it with.

 

[05XR8]

Offline.

I did have fun during the times I raced in GT6 lobbies and Sport Mode. For GT7, I'm done. Did the one Toyota Cup race just incase a gift or reward is handed out for participating. Let my PS+ expire.
As long as PD keep the current single player tools available, I've no need to return to Sport Mode.

 

[Nagaremono]

Offline only now.

Did the fifty daily races to trigger the trophy (thank god it wasn’t the same 91 wins like in GTS) and now I’m done with it. IMO online is a stinking cesspool of wasted time.

I play to relax, not to beat my chest. Trying not to sound too much like Jordan Peterson or Zuby, but a man shouldn’t be building his ego through online gaming, even if it’s dressed up as ‘e-sports’. Want to show off? Go do some real physical sport and get good at it. This kind of thing really isn’t the way. It doesn’t impress even if you’re right at the top.

I think PD have learned from GTS that online isn’t very popular at all, and tends to appeal mostly to a certain personality type. I don’t think they care much about it now. Participation would be even lower if they didn’t attach trophies to it.

Online races still don’t have weather, so they really should’ve told online players to keep using GTS. We might’ve even gotten a decent SP experience in GT7.

 

[Voodoovaj]

Perhaps you're not familiar with Dynamic Weather (half-joking here)?

It adds some unpredictability, yes, but does it change the game from being a non-challenge into an engaging experience? I would say no.

If the AI is set for you to win I wish someone would tell my AI that. A guaranteed win is not what I see, when I do win it is hard earned.

Well, I'm not sure why that is your experience. There is only 2 races in the game where you really have to put your head down and make sure you do it right. A different car maybe?

 

[Timm Sheehan]

Well, I'm not sure why that is your experience. There is only 2 races in the game where you really have to put your head down and make sure you do it right. A different car maybe?

I am trying different cars and having a blast at it. Some are better than the others but in the end it is still hard fun racing.

 

[Live25]

It adds some unpredictability, yes, but does it change the game from being a non-challenge into an engaging experience? I would say no.

It’s pretty sad that the most challenging ‘opponent’ is their poopy weather implementation, I will give you that.

 

[hufR]

When I grabbed the game I played single player long enough to buy my first couple of cars, then it was 90% multiplayer drift

Now I'm like 50/50 with both

 

[Boxster]

Mostly offline. I am golding all the offline content and doing regular Spa and Sardegna for the credits to buy most of the cars I want. Just need the 6 expensive LCD cars and a few BC cars.
When I am finished with the offline content and cars I will start playing some online again. I am just an average B rated Joe with a controller, so no big ambitions.

 

[Jewel Runner]

Ok. And what you get for beating them? Feeling of pride and accomplishment that you beat someone in game? 🤣 No one cares.

I'll try to be nice here but don't feel you really deserve it for being so closed minded and wrong.

Not many people care but personally it's a good feeling knowing I've set top 50, 30 etc times and raced with some of the best. The concentration needed for that level is insane. Takes you to another word that racing AI can never emulate.

Ages ago in GTS at a Spa Gr3 tyre (or fuel) saving race I beat Igor Fraga in a gay pride livery Alfa. Ok he started from the back in his blue Lambo and I only just managed to stay ahead.

One of many stories against real players. I'll always have that experience whereas you'll only have the experience of racing his and other fake AI lol 😂

 

[Neris__]

I'll try to be nice here but don't feel you really deserve it for being so closed minded and wrong.

Not many people care but personally it's a good feeling knowing I've set top 50, 30 etc times and raced with some of the best. The concentration needed for that level is insane. Takes you to another word that racing AI can never emulate.

Ages ago in GTS at a Spa Gr3 tyre (or fuel) saving race I beat Igor Fraga in a gay pride livery Alfa. Ok he started from the back in his blue Lambo and I only just managed to stay ahead.

One of many stories against real players. I'll always have that experience whereas you'll only have the experience of racing his and other fake AI lol 😂

Let me put it in a different perspective. I am guessing now but % of the sim racing players in the population of this world is less than 1%. So probably more than 99% of the population don't give a damn about your experience in online mode - me included.

Also why do you have to compare and diminish my and other offline players experience to feel better about yourself? 🤔
My take that you quoted was my perspective about being competitive in online games - I don't care about it. It must be nice for you that you care about competition in online games, I guess.

Good for you that you are happy with your experience with Igor Fraga. I wouldn't remember about it in five minutes, it means nothing for me (and probably some other people who don't even know who is Igor Fraga). Tho it sounds like pro players must be super bored to do those challenges instead doing top qualification time and race in normal way. It also seems that Igor Fraga is a bit disrespectful towards other players.

 

[Jewel Runner]

Let me put it in a different perspective. I am guessing now but % of the sim racing players in the population of this world is less than 1%. So probably more than 99% of the population don't give a damn about your experience in online mode - me included.

Also why do you have to compare and diminish my and other offline players experience to feel better about yourself? 🤔
My take that you quoted was my perspective about being competitive in online games - I don't care about it. It must be nice for you that you care about competition in online games, I guess.

Good for you that you are happy with your experience with Igor Fraga. I wouldn't remember about it in five minutes, it means nothing for me (and probably some other people who don't even know who is Igor Fraga). Tho it sounds like pro players must be super bored to do those challenges instead doing top qualification time and race in normal way. It also seems that Igor Fraga is a bit disrespectful towards other players.

You stared it. Don't attempt to come at me with some reverse psychology bs. I genuinely hope you have a great gaming experience with the AI which is widely known to be absolutely terrible. Maybe that's all you know so you probably think you have had a great, even the best experience and that's nice for you. Have a great race buddy.