Which entirely distorted the quote and made it look like I was accusing you of not doing something.
And I have to disagree, it is happening.
Your free to feel that way on both points, doesn't mean I agree or that its happening.
No, my post was directed at the other stuff, the "icing on the cake". The matter of Zuel backing up his claims should stay as a moderator issue, what I'm saying is that it's wrong to also have a public discussion about it, especially since the actual subject of the discussion is not even around anymore and everyone involved knows that the claims most likely are false. The main topic of this thread for the past 5 pages (and probably more, because it didn't start there) has been to laugh at Zuel. Initial reactions for a ludicrous claim? Fine. But it's been going on and on and on and people are constantly making fun of him and his language, his spelling, his twitter account, his claims... at some point it has gone too far.
So a right of reply within the AUP should not be given to other members?
I'm sorry but I simply can't agree with that at all, if a member makes a claim then other members are (within the limits of the AUP) permitted to reply to that, they are even permitted to find humour in the claims he has made. You may not like it, you may not agree with it, you may not share that opinion, but that doesn't mean you get to be the judge on what stays and what goes.
It's obvious that this thread has gone out of hands for at least a couple of pages.
I disagree and as a member of staff I can assure you that the staff are in a far better position to judge that.
If he needs to prove something, then leave that to a moderator to deal with, there's no reason why the entire community should be involved.
The staff are dealing wit it, however given that these claims were made very publicly, and that a good umer of attacks and threats were also made by the member publicly a degree of interest is in place within the membership, which I should also point out seems to include yourself.
If you look at all the posts individually then they're not worse than usual, but there's a lot of them and it never ends. That is bullying.
It does end and I disagree that the posts still in place in this thread consitute bullying, of the comments outside GT Planet I would agree that a large degree of very hostile abuse is taking place. That however is nothing to do with us and we can't police that, I do however feel that you are allowing knowledge of that to colour this.
What the bullied has or hasn't done is irrelevant, two wrongs doesn't make one right. Bullying is bullying, and no one deserves to be bullied. Imagine you being in the same position, go back and read all the posts and imagine they're about you. How does that make you feel?
Actually I have had attacks of that nature made about me, even to the degree of members posting personal contact details about me on the site. Want to know how I dealt with it? I promptly backed my claims up.
These situations head in this directly (typically) because the claims are bogus and even that can be dealt with by a statement saying as much and an apology to the other members.
See the above. If a single user has upset the community so much then he should have been reported a long time ago. When it's been allowed to go this far, it has gone wrong.
Again you presume to know what action has been carried out by the staff in the past, please stop doing this as it only results in inaccurate and ill-informed comments.
We rarely ban on a first offence, but just because you don't see action doesn't mean its not taken place. You claim to understand and appreciate this, but your repeatedly falling into the same pattern in this regard.
And in addition to all of this, imagine a guest user visiting GTPlanet for the first time and spots this thread. What kind of impression will he or she get of the site and the community? Not a good one, I'm willing to bet.
If a new user find a thread designed to highlight those who make claims they can't substantiate and ensure that the AUP is enforce a problem, then maybe GT Planet is not the place for them
If I'm defending anyone it's myself. I haven't spent a single word defending Zuel. Maybe that's why everyone is so touchy about it, because you think that I am?
