On GT7, TAKE OUT EITHER VAUXHALL OR OPEL!

[NixxxoN]

They should take out Vauxhall for being a rebadged version of the original, which is OPEL, but not only that, the real vauxhall cars should disappear and so should the left hand drive that only the UK and some former UK colonies use

 

[vasiliflame]

They should take out Vauxhall for being a rebadged version of the original, which is OPEL, but not only that, the real vauxhall cars should disappear and so should the left hand drive that only the UK and some former UK colonies use

How about remove all the lefties since its a Japanese game and I bet Kaz would prefer RHD .... And in UK we use RHD not left but I know what you meant

 

[NixxxoN]

How about remove all the lefties since its a Japanese game and I bet Kaz would prefer RHD .... And in UK we use RHD not left but I know what you meant

Yes if you guys and the japanese adapted to the vast majority (left hand drive) cars would be cheaper to prodce, no need to make left or right hand drive versions

 

[Fat Tyre]

They should keep both dealerships but each dealership should have DIFFERENT CARS.

 

[CBH]

No, Just leave them as they are like in GT6 because the cars are not hurting anybody or anything. 👍

 

[Fat Tyre]

No, Just leave them as they are like in GT6 because the cars are not hurting anybody or anything. 👍

They are hurting GT itself, most of those cars are cars no one would even remember if they were gone any way. "Oooooh I can't the play the game anymore they took the Vauxhall Corsa out of the GT series! I know the Opel Corsa is still there but me want the Vauxhall"

GT is filled with crap and it needs a good cleaning before it hits next-gen. It needs to start focusing on quality not quantity.

 

[Bo]

They are hurting GT itself, most of those cars are cars no one would even remember if they were gone any way. "Oooooh I can't the play the game anymore they took the Vauxhall Corsa out of the GT series! I know the Opel Corsa is still there but me want the Vauxhall"

GT is filled with crap and it needs a good cleaning before it hits next-gen. It needs to start focusing on quality not quantity.

You're on the very wrong end of the stick here... the DTM/ITC cars are some of the most valuable in the game. I wouldn't mind so much if the Vectra and Tigra went, but the Corsa and VX220's need to stay desperately - really important cars.

 

[Com Fox]

There is no point in the VX220 since it is just a rip-off of the important Speedster.

 

[Fat Tyre]

You're on the very wrong end of the stick here... the DTM/ITC cars are some of the most valuable in the game. I wouldn't mind so much if the Vectra and Tigra went, but the Corsa and VX220's need to stay desperately - really important cars.

Nope, you are. The thread is about how stupid it is that we have two dealerships with the exact same cars, just re-badged. My suggestion was to delete half the cars in each dealership that way we minimise the number of fugly standards and dupes. Any way you would still get the so important Corsa... You mean this one right?

Yeah, very important. By the way it was sold as a Chevrolet in Latin America maybe they'll re-badge it yet again to boost the car count even more.

 

[Bo]

There is no point in the VX220 since it is just a rip-off of the important Speedster.

Please... wow. For a car built in the UK, then rebadged as an Opel, rip-off is a bit much isn't it? Penned by Opel, of course, but Vauxhall have no real in-house design team ATM. It's all Opel.

The point is, Vauxhall was its own brand before they linked with Opel, and have arguably done far more in motorsport/influential automobiles than Vauxhall I'm not denying they're dupes, but I respect them, and the situation would be made a million times better if they modeled brand-specific cars from history.

 

[Com Fox]

Yeah, it was built in the UK but it doesn't mean it is Vauxhall (Speedster is from Opel). It is like saying the Veyron isn't a Buggati because it was made in Germany.

 

[CBH]

Nope, you are. The thread is about how stupid it is that we have two dealerships with the exact same cars, just re-badged. My suggestion was to delete half the cars in each dealership that way we minimise the number of fugly standards and dupes. Any way you would still get the so important Corsa... You mean this one right?

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Yeah, very important. By the way it was sold as a Chevrolet in Latin America maybe they'll re-badge it yet again to boost the car count even more.

It is not stupid we have two dealerships with the exact same cars. Kaz has got it right doing this about having two dealerships with the exact same cars in the game and as I said in my post it is not hurting anybody or anything

 

[Bo]

Yeah, it was built in the UK but it doesn't mean it is Vauxhall (Speedster is from Opel). It is like saying the Veyron isn't a Buggati because it was made in Germany.

No... no it really isn't.

Penned by Opel (as all of their cars are), built in the UK as a Vauxhall, then sent off elsewhere with Opel badges.

 

[Fat Tyre]

It is not stupid we have two dealerships with the exact same cars. Kaz has got it right doing this about having two dealerships with the exact same cars in the game and as I said in my post it is not hurting anybody or anything

Yeah that is a very solid argument... NOT.

 

[Com Fox]

No... no it really isn't.

Penned by Opel (as all of their cars are), built in the UK as a Vauxhall, then sent off elsewhere with Opel badges.

Would like to see the source proving it is intended to be made as a Vauxhall because I do believe it was made in UK since it was joint project of Opel and Lotus (another British Manufacturer).

 

[Bo]

Would like to see the source proving it is intended to be made as a Vauxhall.

Wut? This is ludicrous. What is there more to know other than it came out of here:

In LHD and RHD:

The cars are mechanically identical. They only had to decide what badge they were going to stick on, depending on whether it was going to remain in the domestic market or shipped of to other European dealers.

 

[Com Fox]

How can I believe you if you have no sources to back it up -_-? It is made by Lotus but that doesn't mean it is originally a Vauxhall.

 

[xZAMGMarmite]

I have a better idea, remove all of the GM brands from GT and just put the manufacturer as GM. As most of the cars that GM make are based off each other and share various parts.

 

[Com Fox]

I have a better idea, remove all of the GM brands from GT and just put the manufacturer as GM. As most of the cars that GM make are based off each other and share various parts.

Sounds good but how is every car going to be badge since GM Cars are built in different countries.

 

[Bo]

How can I believe you if you have no sources to back it up -_-? It is made by Lotus but that doesn't mean it is originally a Vauxhall.

If they come out the factory at the same time as Vauxhalls and Opels, the Vauxhall is not a "rip-off" as you so kindly put it. The one that stays in the domestic market to where it was built is considered the home car, if you will.

 

[Com Fox]

If they come out the factory at the same time as Vauxhalls and Opels, the Vauxhall is not a "rip-off" as you so kindly put it. The one that stays in the domestic market to where it was built is considered the home car, if you will.

It is determined by how they market it and they market it as Opel as the home car. An example of this is the Mercedes SLR Mclaren as it is marketed as a Mercedes but is made in England where it is home to Mclaren.

Still waiting for sources instead of random statements.

 

[xZAMGMarmite]

Sounds good but how is every car going to be badge since GM Cars are built in different countries.

Easy, remove the original badge from the car such as Holden and just change it to a GM badge, keep the model name the same so people know what it is.

 

[Com Fox]

Easy, remove the original badge from the car such as Holden and just change it to a GM badge, keep the model name the same so people know what it is.

Another curiosity is how are the events going to break down if these cars are in one roof (are all GM cars allowed in American events)?

 

[xZAMGMarmite]

It is determined by how they market it and they market it as Opel as the home car.

So thats why in Australia you get Vauxhalls/Opels/Chevrolets badged up as Holdens then??

 

[Com Fox]

So thats why in Australia you get Vauxhalls/Opels/Chevrolets badged up as Holdens then??

No. They market and made the Speedster as joint project with Opel and Lotus. Not Vauxhall. Vauxhall just put a badge on it and sold it in England (like what Vauxhall usually does).

 

[Fat Tyre]

@RESHIRAM5 and @xZAMGMarmite an easy solution is to keep all the different dealerships and for all of them to have different models. They could flip a coin, I don't care how they choose who gets what. It is not like Vauxhall or Opel have only produced six different models in its entire existence they could model more cars and avoid this issue.

Here is nice read on the whole rebadging issue. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebadging

 

[xZAMGMarmite]

Another curiosity is how are the events going to break down if these cars are in one roof (are all GM cars allowed in American events)?

The GM brand would split into 3, Americas (Chevy, Cadilac, Saturn ,etc,,), Europe (Vaxuhall,Opel) and Pacifc (Holden, Chevrolet [Daewoo])

 

[Bo]

An example of this is the Mercedes SLR Mclaren as it is marketed as a Mercedes but is made in England where it is home to Mclaren.

Firstly, you're chucking examples that have no relation to badge engineering at me. This is nothing like any Vauxhall/Opel situation, it's a partnership - sold as a Merc because it is one, has the McLaren name because they helped develop it. The argument's frankly embarrassing.

Still waiting for sources instead of random statements.

Not sure what you want clarifying. The only things I've stated are it was built by Lotus in the Hethel factory, which is easy to just Google as common knowledge (and you even referenced it yourself), and that the domestic market before other markets (strictly in a badge engineering situation) generally determines what is considered the home of a car.

No. They market and made the Speedster as joint project with Opel and Lotus. Not Vauxhall. Vauxhall just put a badge on it and sold it in England (like what Vauxhall usually does).

You seem to think that Vauxhall are some entirely separate entity to Opel. They are exactly the same. There's no "Vauxhall does this and Opel doesn't"; Opels are Vauxhalls. Anything that comes with a Vauxhall badge was penned by Opel.

If that's where this has stemmed from, then there's been a misunderstanding.

And as I've said, I want to see some unique Vauxhalls and Opels - I won't mind of there are a few badge-engineered cars, but I want to see cars only offered as their respective badges.

 

[xZAMGMarmite]

No. They market and made the Speedster as joint project with Opel and Lotus. Not Vauxhall. Vauxhall just put a badge on it and sold it in England (like what Vauxhall usually does).

But Lotus and Vauxhall are both UK based companies so why would it be a joint project with Opel (who are based in Germany)?? It was Vauxhall and GM just badged it up as Opel for Europe. Also most Opels are made in England in the Elsmere Port Vauxhall factory, then shipped to Europe. Its also like this with the Holden Malibu, its a Vauxhall/Opel Insgnia but sold as an Australian car when its not.

 

[Bo]

But Lotus and Vauxhall are both UK based companies so why would it be a joint project with Opel (who are based in Germany)?? It was Vauxhall and GM just badged it up as Opel for Europe. Also most Opels are made in England in the Elsmere Port Vauxhall factory, then shipped to Europe.

Because Opels are Vauxhalls. I think there's been confusion surrounding that - they used to be separate entities, but now all Vauxhalls are penned by Opel. All I was trying to say was if a car is built in a country and stays there with a specific badge, it can't be considered a "rip-off" of a car that is exactly the same but gets shipped off elsewhere with a different badge.