Online vs. GT Sport...?
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Well. I love PC2 but honestly i find online racing better in GT Sport. Mainly because of Daily Races with matchmaking. It is easy to find good race thanks to this.
In PC2 you need to invest much more time for this.
And there is Safety Rating problem in PC2. It is useless in my opinion, because of no Matchmaking which will set you against players with similar stats.
Only good races you will have in PC2 if you are playing with friends or in league.
Don't get me wrong, it is still worth trying. Driving model, physics, content this is absolutely most complex game on the market. Only online experience desperately needs some kind of matchmaking.
Best way is to have both games
In PC2 you need to invest much more time for this.
And there is Safety Rating problem in PC2. It is useless in my opinion, because of no Matchmaking which will set you against players with similar stats.
Only good races you will have in PC2 if you are playing with friends or in league.
Don't get me wrong, it is still worth trying. Driving model, physics, content this is absolutely most complex game on the market. Only online experience desperately needs some kind of matchmaking.
Best way is to have both games
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- Sick_Cylinder
Hi,
Honest question to those residing on this side of the fence: How is PC2 compared to GT Sport? Is it possible to find good racing online without joining an organised series?
I have about had it with the penalty/SR system in GTS, hence the question. Thanks in advance!
Short answer I don't know because I don't do any random online racing - I gave up on that a long time ago as it seemed to take a great deal of time for very little reward.
Why not try joining a club or league - or ideally several - try them out and stick with the one that suits you best. There are lots of good clubs covering different time zones which are on GT Planet for GTS or PC2.
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I play both (and AC), and for pick up and play races GTS is the gold standard, nothing even comes close to the ease of its matchmaking. While the penalty/SR system is far from perfect it does its job. Take PC2 for instance: The penalties are much much more rigorous than GTS’. As a result lots of “casual” lobbies disabled them altogether, which leaves you with players short cutting whenever possible, and general anarchy on the track.
As was said, if you want to be serious about online racing in PC2, you have to invest a considerable amount of time, search for clubs, or find likeminded friends.
If you want to pick up the game, and play a couple races GTS is definitely the one.
As was said, if you want to be serious about online racing in PC2, you have to invest a considerable amount of time, search for clubs, or find likeminded friends.
If you want to pick up the game, and play a couple races GTS is definitely the one.
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GTS - The Matchmaking system is Pure Genius.
PC2, sparse number of online players, and the lobbies are full of crashers and cheaters, so unlesss you can get a group of friends together. Good Luck.
PC2, sparse number of online players, and the lobbies are full of crashers and cheaters, so unlesss you can get a group of friends together. Good Luck.
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GTS - Matchmaking is something that every title should have, however the ranking system and penalties still needs work.
PC2 - Lack of matchmaking is an issue, as are the driving standards if you go to a room that isn't running licences, however rooms running licence limits for the most part have fairly clean racing (certainly no worse than GTS in that regard).
PC2 - Lack of matchmaking is an issue, as are the driving standards if you go to a room that isn't running licences, however rooms running licence limits for the most part have fairly clean racing (certainly no worse than GTS in that regard).
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GTS online is awesome exactly because of its matchmaking and ratings.
I just gave another chance to PC2 online after the last patch and to me it still is by far not good enough. PC2 is great in SP, but as soon as you get bumped in a few corners as the best overtaking option for those behind you and no penalties are given, you give up wasting your time.
I just gave another chance to PC2 online after the last patch and to me it still is by far not good enough. PC2 is great in SP, but as soon as you get bumped in a few corners as the best overtaking option for those behind you and no penalties are given, you give up wasting your time.
Thanks for the replies!
My biggest gripe with GTS at the moment is that even if the SR system works most of the time, the real problem is that many simply don't care about it. I just attempted a daily race, and while I was a bit rusty due to not racing for weeks I ended with a positive SR. The rest of the field was a complete wreck-fest with the absolute majority of all drivers ending with SR demotions.
So, I am really looking for a sim/game with relatively clean pick-up racing. I have been in leagues/series before, but the problem is that you have to commit to certain time slots, which sadly does not work for me at the moment. :/
My biggest gripe with GTS at the moment is that even if the SR system works most of the time, the real problem is that many simply don't care about it. I just attempted a daily race, and while I was a bit rusty due to not racing for weeks I ended with a positive SR. The rest of the field was a complete wreck-fest with the absolute majority of all drivers ending with SR demotions.
So, I am really looking for a sim/game with relatively clean pick-up racing. I have been in leagues/series before, but the problem is that you have to commit to certain time slots, which sadly does not work for me at the moment. :/
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It depends also on the track and level - there are some tracks where it is hard to drive clean. I am under the impression that Mount Panorama is a wreckfest in any SR. No matter how hard you try, you get a demotion there as it is just too tight and all issues with SR show off if you don't have a clear track ahead of you. I am never racing there again in sport mode.
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GTS online is so much fun. You just cannot beat racing a full grid every single race. I reckon GTS is the most fun ive had racing online since PGR or Toca. PCars n AC are great but trying to get full grids is very hard.
I wouldn't call it arcade. The physics are up there with the best, although one can debate the tire model, etc., but in terms of feel it's different than others I have tried (iRacing for example) but not necessarily less realistic.
Granted, racing in GTS can be very good. But it is currently hampered by a lot of strange decisions on the part of PD (IMHO). Which is why I am looking for alternatives. But after watching a few youtube videos about the recent update of PC2, it seems people are as upset about the PC2 penalty system as I am about the GTS one, so...well...hm.
Granted, racing in GTS can be very good. But it is currently hampered by a lot of strange decisions on the part of PD (IMHO). Which is why I am looking for alternatives. But after watching a few youtube videos about the recent update of PC2, it seems people are as upset about the PC2 penalty system as I am about the GTS one, so...well...hm.
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In the GT forum many are seriously bashing the SR/Penalty system then many are saying it's great in this forum? 
Last time my wallet opened up on someone elses opinion I ended up sitting in my rig looking at Dirt 4 mad as hell.
Don't lean on my opinion when I say PC2 is better than GT Sport for online racing.
Just know that after 175 races online I've yet to receive a penalty I didn't earn.
Last time my wallet opened up on someone elses opinion I ended up sitting in my rig looking at Dirt 4 mad as hell.
Don't lean on my opinion when I say PC2 is better than GT Sport for online racing.
Just know that after 175 races online I've yet to receive a penalty I didn't earn.
Well, downloading the demo to check it out. I have pretty much had it with GTS.
Mind you, the problem is not the game technically, it is awesome. The problem is the blatant inability of Polyphony Digital to manage the online side of things.
The SR system and balancing of the cars (especially group 4 cars) is horrible atm.
Mind you, the problem is not the game technically, it is awesome. The problem is the blatant inability of Polyphony Digital to manage the online side of things.
The SR system and balancing of the cars (especially group 4 cars) is horrible atm.
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The SR system in GTS is excellent in my opinion, especially since the latest patches. Minor side to side scrapes usually don't result in penalties, and neither do crashers that bump you from behind.
The matchmaking system for daily races and seasonal championships is EXCELLENT in GTS. In PCars2, only 1 in 10 races is exciting, with a full grid and close battles. In GTS, every race is a thrill.
The matchmaking system for daily races and seasonal championships is EXCELLENT in GTS. In PCars2, only 1 in 10 races is exciting, with a full grid and close battles. In GTS, every race is a thrill.
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GTs has the best matchmaking system I have ever seen ( in any curent gen video game period). Anyone who downplays it is either lying or has little experience with matchmaking in other games. In every other game, there is ALWAYS a clear disparity between the badasses and the noobs. Part of the reason I stopped playing Uncharted 4 was that I would always win by a large margin or get absolutely clobbered. In GT sport im always having competitive, and for the most part clean racing. PD gets a 10/10 in that area. It's THE best, not just good, but literally the best racing matchmaking system of any current game. The 15 or so online races I played in p cars 2 turned me off for good. Having to find a league is B.S. Imagine picking up COD and discovering you have to have a special group to enjoy the MP .
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I'm not aware that anyone has downplayed the GTS matchmaking at all?
While I don't agree that it's the single finest matchmaking system around, it's certainly one of the best in terms of racing titles, and arguably only bettered in the genre by iRacing (matchmaking in ranked games in FPS do however mostly take the lead in this area, and they should, they have been at it far longer).
However it does have to be taken into account that matchmaking has been oddly absent in racing titles historical, which again is not downplaying GTS, but rather an objective fact.
What many have issue with in regard to GTS online is not the matchmaking, but the penalty system. Which does still need further work.
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In my completely irrelevant opinion, if PC2 had GTsport's online I'd be playing PC2 instead of GTsport.
The ability to hop online and get into a race with a full grid of fairly evenly matched racers is just too good. Even though I much prefer the physics and driving experience along with the ton of circuits in PC2, I have barely touched it since GTsport came along.
Don't get me wrong, the races I've done in PC2 have mostly been very good very clean races, but it gets a bit boring racing GT3 cars all the time in 4 man lobbies.
PC2 needs sport mode (and to be fair I imagine GTsport has a far larger player base to fill the grids with).
The ability to hop online and get into a race with a full grid of fairly evenly matched racers is just too good. Even though I much prefer the physics and driving experience along with the ton of circuits in PC2, I have barely touched it since GTsport came along.
Don't get me wrong, the races I've done in PC2 have mostly been very good very clean races, but it gets a bit boring racing GT3 cars all the time in 4 man lobbies.
PC2 needs sport mode (and to be fair I imagine GTsport has a far larger player base to fill the grids with).
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I actually feel completely the opposite, my worst races are always on the wider circuits as I find they tend to make people think they can overtake anywhere. Also with wider circuits there tends to be more natural line variations, leading to more accidental bumps.
Most of my best races have been on the tighter circuits like Brands and Bathurst, as long as you are racing with people who don't try to overtake at every single corner.
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PC2 would do wonders in the online world if it had added matchmaking or "Sport" mode. Other side, massive undertaking adding fully automated matchmaking across three platforms.. :money:
While I have 0 experience in GTS online (hey I can watch some YT videos here and there) my online experiences inside PC2 have been great. Boot the game, browse lobbies, pick a room, and go out in P or Q all in under 2 minutes. The skill/safety ranks have done numbers on the public online experience IMO. Few bad apples here and there but for the most part the driving standard is high,rewarding, and clean/respectable racing.
Feel like the ratings systems in both games have given the "High score YAY" attitude to some. Ratings in both games are just tools. Our job is to go out there and use those tools for clean racing.
Pick up and play, the hat goes to GTS with matchmaking. Overall driving standard/reward online, PC2 in my book.
*All in the beholder's eye. Great group of friends in any game can make a crap online experience amazing.
While I have 0 experience in GTS online (hey I can watch some YT videos here and there) my online experiences inside PC2 have been great. Boot the game, browse lobbies, pick a room, and go out in P or Q all in under 2 minutes. The skill/safety ranks have done numbers on the public online experience IMO. Few bad apples here and there but for the most part the driving standard is high,rewarding, and clean/respectable racing.
Feel like the ratings systems in both games have given the "High score YAY" attitude to some. Ratings in both games are just tools. Our job is to go out there and use those tools for clean racing.
Pick up and play, the hat goes to GTS with matchmaking. Overall driving standard/reward online, PC2 in my book.
*All in the beholder's eye. Great group of friends in any game can make a crap online experience amazing.
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Now first I did say arguably. However they offer a wider ranges of race series, running very frequently, with a better ranking system giving arguably better matched results and cleaner racing. Sufficient time is given to have a final qualify (unlike the out lap and little else that GTS manages).
Who's to say they are not considering it? I'm sure just about every racing dev is.
