[ORA] FIA GT World Championship [S3] | TRL_Evo and Ramalhinho are your PRO and AM Champions!Finished

[ozwheels]

You do realise you can make them very similar, and with any car with a top speed advantage you can exploit it and use even more downforce than necessary.
@ozwheels agree?

If you know how to tune and you have a lot of straight line speed then good luck trying to beat that person.

 

[Pubs16]

OP#2 Updated Once Again!

Now with Drivers Brief!
Be sure to read everything on it very closely as well as pace car information. Everything you need to know about this weekend is there.

BE SURE WHAT TO NOW IS PIT EXIT!

Forgive me, but the season schedule had stated Daytona to be 1.5 hours?

That's correct

I only mentioned this because the OP#2 states 1 hour in the drivers brief, if you didn't know...

 

[Charlie A]

Best of luck to all teams tomorrow!

Let's start this season off with a BANG!

 

[ScuderiaLucas]

I only mentioned this because the OP#2 states 1 hour in the drivers brief, if you didn't know...

Excuse me then, 1.5 Hours is correct

 

[Leoni Dias]

Good day Guys! As I said previously we would introduce Data Acquisition & Analysis for this series. And now, It's Ready!!


INTRODUCTION

Well, some months ago, I started to work with Motec i2 software, and did some seminars and workshops to get better on it. This compatibility came to GT6, and now, it's time to test some stuff that will be useful for me in reallife, even without shock absobers and tire data.

What are we interested in?

• We want to get the cars even more balanced, for that, we'll analyse maximium and average values of the cars by brand, so we can check for example which cars is doing the best in which track;
• We want to know by some graphics and historiograms if the track is a slow or fast circuit;
• We can analyse the ratio for LH (Left Hand) and RH (Right Hand) Corners;
• Is the track heavy on brakes, or not?
• Which gears are used most often?

There are many other things that you can check analyzing your data, that we'll improve by our suggestions.

HOW IT WILL LOOK LIKE?

This is very simple to read and understand, we'll get the data from all of you, and I'll make a sheet during the championship with all the informations I quoted for you above, and some more.

This is our standard Track Characteristics Sheet for this season:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8Nw-Ky0zp9LSzZ4ZzlBS1BCRUE/view?usp=sharing

And this is how it'll look like by the end of the championship

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8Nw-Ky0zp9LbVVzVWM0Y2JvanM/view?usp=sharing


Of course, probably we'll not get many information to help you in this season, but for future ones, and even for other championships, you can take a look at this file to have an idea how the track is (fast, slow, heavy, etc) and even how to setup your car by the Track Characteristics.

HOW WE WILL GET ALL THE DATA WITH NO MISTAKES

There's is the part that we'll need help from all of you drivers that make this championship happen:

Basically, after the races, you will export your data (Race + Sprint) and send it for me.

How?

We'll use Google Drive. Each driver will create a folder with a standard name and share it with me, please follow the tutorial below:

1 - If you already know how to share a folder on Google Drive:

A-) Create a folder based on this name: WGTC_S3_CATEGORY_GTPLANETLOGIN

B-) Now you just need to upload the files based on this: TRACK_SESSION_CAR

C-) Share the folder with: virtualracecardata@gmail.com


2 - If you don't know how to share a folder on Google Drive:

A-) Please check this link:

http://imageshack.com/a/img901/7247/LPmkK8.png


For this moment, this is all guys! We count on you to make this series even better, and if possible, you can already start in our first pre-season race!

Soon, CodDemon or Litchi will add the sheets and tutorial in the OP (Motec i2 button).


Thank you very much for your attention! and good race to all of you tomorrow.

 

[ScuderiaLucas]

@123yokomo because we have 16 drivers attending you may have to sit out of there is no drop out before the race.
We will keep you informed of anything happens and keep practicing because we will tell you if someone does not join lobby on race day

 

[Brutaka]

Reminder!
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Join the ORA Community club! This is where the races will be hosted, you do not need to add the race host as a friend, all you have to do is join the club. Warning, as of now you can only join a total of 8 clubs in the community feature of GT6.

Club ID: 1025586
Name: [ORA] Online Racing Association.

 

[TNR_KING_FILO]

may i ask why 7 people in pro didn't need grading?

 

[Charlie A]

Champions from previous seasons I believe.


Below

 

[ScuderiaLucas]

may i ask why 7 people in pro didn't need grading?

And some were voted. It is now six however. For the next seasons we will only do three. PRO Champ AM Champ and GT3 Cup Champ

 

[TNR_KING_FILO]

And some were voted. It is now six however. For the next seasons we will only do three. PRO Champ AM Champ and GT3 Cup Champ

how does voting work?

 

[SSJGZWarrior]

Daytona Road Course Circuit Event

ATTENDING
CodDemon101
ozwheels
TNR_King_Filo
TNR_Pfeffer702
TNR_REBELLION
GTP_Caine
SK8RBOI
crelou
TWR_TORCHON
Ross76
FLEURY
TWR_Kris34
Pedro Martins
TNR_5zigen
Husqvarman
Gabguss

NOT ATTENDING
GTP_SkyBridge
jammy21
rcb929
RacingLine

UNCONFIRMED


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ATTENDING

Pubs16
-vinc'-
Toshost
j1Nk
Brutaka
1lambofan
PJTierney
James Cooper
RodeRuner1967/T-n-T-2000
BAZZER
Charlie A
Dan181295

NOT ATTENDING
yuc2002
Ramalhinho91
Glenalz81
JakeKing39
CAMikaze
SSJGZWarrior R

UNCONFIRMED
@bcd73
@llmorganll




TO CONFIRM ATTENDANCE, REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE TAKE OFF QUOTE MARKS AND ADD YOUR NAME IN EITHER OPTIONS. MAKE SURE YOU ARE REPLYING TO THE LASTEST ONE! OTHERWISE THE LIST WILL NOT BE CORRECT... IF YOU CANNOT DO SO ASK THE STAFF TO DO IT FOR YOU.

Family planned last minute brunch for my bday tomorrow won't be able to make it

 

[ScuderiaLucas]

how does voting work?

It was done in S2, why ask?

 

[TNR_KING_FILO]

It was done in S2, why ask?

Curious

 

[Pedroeol]

Very good job @Leoni Dias, I'll definitely try to help you

Also for those of you who have many clubs like myself, the best way is to add all clubs you like as favorite and leave one temporarily to join these ones when you need to do some sort of race.

 

[OriginalCheezIt]

I'm glad to be calling this race with @TeamCZRRacing, looks like there's going to be a lot for us to talk about 👍

 

[TeamCZRRacing]

I'm glad to be calling this race with @TeamCZRRacing, looks like there's going to be a lot for us to talk about 👍

Damn right! It's gonna be an honor. Good luck, everyone!

 

[Pubs16]

I'm glad to be calling this race with @TeamCZRRacing, looks like there's going to be a lot for us to talk about 👍

Damn right! It's gonna be an honor. Good luck, everyone!

This is the half I love of this series! just completes the realism.
You'll only be doing Pro right? Will it be available post-race to watch still on YouTube?

 

[ScuderiaLucas]

This is the half I love of this series! just completes the realism.
You'll only be doing Pro right? Will it be available post-race to watch still on YouTube?

Yes it will

 

[1Lambofan]

Is anyone in AM gong to put the races on YouTube?

 

[ScuderiaLucas]

We will most likely use PUBLIC LOBBIES tomorrow if not everyone joins the club.

Good luck to all drivers tomorrow.

And please, this is the first race, do not be so aggressive as I saw from some drivers in practice, the back end little left right should NOT be a place to overtake nor is the first corner. There are many places to overtake but not those two places. @Mike458 will be the pace car for AM, he will be starting the race at the end of the pack, at the start of the race you MUST not move until he is at the front of the field.

PLEASE REVIEW BRIEFING ONCE AGAIN

 

[ScuderiaLucas]

Is anyone in AM gong to put the races on YouTube?

For future races, sprint races will be recorded and commentated

 

[Pubs16]

Sorry for all the questions. Where is the acceleration zone for the start?

 

[ozwheels]

Sorry for all the questions. Where is the acceleration zone for the start?

Start/finish line

 

[Pubs16]

Start/finish line

So leader always accelerates after the start/finish line?

 

[ozwheels]

So leader always accelerates after the start/finish line?

In the practice room once the leader crossed the line everyone went.

 

[123yokomo]

@123yokomo because we have 16 drivers attending you may have to sit out of there is no drop out before the race.
We will keep you informed of anything happens and keep practicing because we will tell you if someone does not join lobby on race day

Ok thats fine

 

[Ross76]

Daytona Road Course Circuit Event

ATTENDING
CodDemon101
ozwheels
TNR_King_Filo
TNR_Pfeffer702
TNR_REBELLION
GTP_Caine
SK8RBOI
crelou
TWR_TORCHON
Ross76
FLEURY
TWR_Kris34
Pedro Martins
TNR_5zigen
Husqvarman
Gabguss

NOT ATTENDING
GTP_SkyBridge
jammy21
rcb929
RacingLine

UNCONFIRMED


------------------------------------------------------------------------

ATTENDING

Pubs16
-vinc'-
Toshost
j1Nk
Brutaka
1lambofan
PJTierney
James Cooper
RodeRuner1967/T-n-T-2000
BAZZER
Charlie A
Dan181295

NOT ATTENDING
yuc2002
Ramalhinho91
Glenalz81
JakeKing39
CAMikaze
SSJGZWarrior R
llmorganll

UNCONFIRMED
@bcd73[/USER




TO CONFIRM ATTENDANCE, REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE TAKE OFF QUOTE MARKS AND ADD YOUR NAME IN EITHER OPTIONS. MAKE SURE YOU ARE REPLYING TO THE LASTEST ONE! OTHERWISE THE LIST WILL NOT BE CORRECT... IF YOU CANNOT DO SO ASK THE STAFF TO DO IT FOR YOU.

 

[gtpcaine]

@Litchi I don't know if these cars were tested at high speed tracks but why was the NSX put in line with the Viper for straight line speed yet the SLS, Z4, and Audi are 4-5 mph faster? We just had a practice room and I'm in the Viper, I get a hell of a run out of a corner pull beside the SLS and then it leaves me... If I'm over a second a half faster than someone I should be able to pass them with ease.

I also noticed this.

This itsnt touring car racing all cars have different advantages, you simply cannot make all of them equal in everything.

Pretty much every car can be tuned to handle the same / apex at a similar speed. The GTR, NSX and ZO6 have the lowest front downforce levels so will be a little slower through the corners (1-3mph) yet they are still slower in acceleration and top speed compared to others. No you can't make them equal in everything but you can make them darn close. Top speed values are very important when speccing cars. If a car is dominant in top speed + acceleration it will win because you wont be able to overtake it, it will out drag you every time.

You do realise you can make them very similar, and with any car with a top speed advantage you can exploit it and use even more downforce than necessary.
@ozwheels agree?

This is very true, but taking the SLS for example, on RH tyres there is little point running any rear downforce at all, it is an understeer machine. Meaning on high downforce tracks, it has a huge advantage, because it has its best handling on low downforce. So will loose next to nothing in drag/top speed. Other cars who will need to run maximum front and rear downforce to be fast on the track, will loose more top speed/drag, further extending the natural top speed gap between the cars. So the SLS would be fastest at a twisty track, and 1 of the 3 fastest at a power track.

A good tune isn't always the fastest on the track

It should be though. If all cars are equal, the tune will make the difference so the tune will be the fastest. What your saying there, is that you can be the best tuner in the world but you can be beaten by someone based on car choice, which implies cars aren't balanced.

I didn't spend too much time testing cars before deciding what to pick. All I done was some top speed runs on stock setups, with all gearboxes set to the same speed and downforce set at minimum front and rear in all cars, here is the data I gathered (time rounded to nearest 1/4 second):

The Ford GT seems to be severely off the other cars, but i couldn't be bothered to re-test. After this test I then took out 4 cars I didn't want to drive: GT-R, Z4, NSX, GT. Leaving me with SLS, Viper, Z06 and R8.
I have tunes for 3 of those 4, the R8 being the exception.

I went to Laguna Seca as its quite a simple track, but requires a good car to be fast.

The SLS was the fastest of those 4, by 0.3 from the Z06. The Viper was 0.5 behind the SLS. I then tested the R8 (with the stock setup) and was only 0.4 off the SLS. With some tuning it would easily match if not beat my SLS time. My testing ended here, but I did notice one thing. It might purely be coincidental, but the gaps in tenths over the lap, matched the gaps in mph. The 3 tuned cars have been heavily tuned over several months and have been used by myself at a variety of tracks so I am comfortable with them.

The fact the Viper has the highest front downforce levels of those cars, means in theory it should corner slightly faster, Laguna is made up of a lot of high speed corners, so I would expect it to do well. The Z06 has the lowest DF, so it should be slower. The fact the Z06 was faster over a lap compared to the Viper, proves that any time gained in corners is irrelevant, if every time you do a 500m drag you have cars gaining 1/4 second, or 1000m gaining 1/2 second, it doesn't matter how quick you can corner, you will still loose out.

If the 'cornering car' is in front, the slightest hint of a draft and the 'speed car' will blast past.
If the 'speed car' is in front, the 'cornering car' will either have to out-brake or drive around the outside of the 'speed car', which will then out drag them on the run to the next corner. Yes I understand you will never match them all 100% perfect, but every car should be able to overtake every other car with a draft.

I must admit I was a little disappointed. You have a great OP, a great driver roster, but it means nothing if the BoP is off. BoP is king when running a series. Especially how you hand out the cars. The fast guys get their choice, the fast guys can tell which cars are faster than others, generally quicker than slower drivers can, meaning the fast guys get the fast cars and the slower drivers get the slow cars. How is that fair to the guys at the back of the pack? No-matter how much they improve / tune their car they will never match the others let alone beat them. Anyway, rant over. I'm just looking forward to having some great battles on track.

 

[Pubs16]

I also noticed this.

I might mention that I noticed a similar top speed gap in a session with a Z4 compared to my GTR, the sectors I was only really losing out on was the straights... I don't know if it's a car thing or just my driving/setup but just thought I'd add my 2 cents. About 10km/h at least difference going into turn 1 and the bust stop.

But hey I haven't seen anyone else so I can't comment too much, I'm also just keen to get into the battles on track and watch these replays!

Not far away!!!