Outdated things that have stayed
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Yeah, the PC version of Gran Turismo is great
Imagine Gran Turismo or *insert your favorite console port game* was a PC game in a world without consoles, not held back by old tech and memory limitations, the possibilities and potential would be incomprehensibly awesome.
I just mentally orgasmed.
And no, I'm not trolling nor am I trying to start a PC vs. Console jihad, I'm just a little frustrated because I think we could have games SO much better than we have now without limiting console tech.
(And I've just learned that the upcoming successor of my favorite game has several features severely watered down because of console memory issues. That's what the Dev's said. Please understand my frustration)
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Rofl.
But I understand, especially the GT argument. I already debattated with people this subject during the ps1 area.
Consoles are great for people :
Not having enough cash
Not enough IT knowleadge
Don't are graphic whores
A good middleway would be upgradable consoles.
Ex:
Launch: nothing to upgrade
2nd year: upgrade 1
4th year: Upgrade 2
Keeping the console on launch would be min. on PC, 1st upgrade is medium, 2nd upgrade would be high.
It still would be a streamlined product but with 3 graphical options to the gusto of the people
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The problem with upgrading consoles is people would need to take it somewhere to do it, if they didn't know how themselves, and the only time you'd ever want to take a console into a service center is because it's broken.
Maybe if they make an upgrade box that you plug into the mains, in it, it could process things and transmit over wifi. A new game that requires the upgrades will tell the console to send certain things to the 'upgrade box' chipboard over wifi to be processed and then sent back, etc. I think Wifi would be fast enough?
Maybe if they make an upgrade box that you plug into the mains, in it, it could process things and transmit over wifi. A new game that requires the upgrades will tell the console to send certain things to the 'upgrade box' chipboard over wifi to be processed and then sent back, etc. I think Wifi would be fast enough?
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Basically, only gigabit wifi would be anywhere near fast enough, and even then, you probably have lag over the network when you combine it with online play. Best solution would be an expansion slot that you could plug a PCMCIA-style card into it, something they were planning to do with laptops last year.
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What are you?! Mad? You have a death-wish, or what? Even now he could be stalking you . . . well, goodbye, Duffers, goodbye, it was nice knowing you . . ..
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1. The QWERTY Keyboard.
Not that I'm a Dvorak fanatic. That war seems long passed. But, the whole idea behind the design of the QWERTY keyboard layout was to foil the speediness of old-time steno-typists, who would jam up the levers of their old-time typewriters. (And then along came the IBM Golfball . . ..)
Today's electronic 'levers' move at the speed of light.
2. ABT.
C'mon. How are we going to escape this archaic, 60-based method of Time-keeping? We need Metric Time. Now.
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The scottish.... 
That's a tricky one, but I feel that if the Scottish want to go it alone, let's let them. As long as they don't expect the English to fund their government and spending, they need to raise their own taxes. Soon realise how much reliance they have on the English taxpayer.
/nationalistic rant
That's a tricky one, but I feel that if the Scottish want to go it alone, let's let them. As long as they don't expect the English to fund their government and spending, they need to raise their own taxes. Soon realise how much reliance they have on the English taxpayer.
/nationalistic rant
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DG_SilvaThe scottish....
That's a tricky one, but I feel that if the Scottish want to go it alone, let's let them. As long as they don't expect the English to fund their government and spending, they need to raise their own taxes. Soon realise how much reliance they have on the English taxpayer.
/nationalistic rant
Every person I talk to about independence doesn't rally care.
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An even worse nightmare than what our country is in now?
The logistics of it. Military, defence, border controls, roads, railways, railways franchises, any outstanding projects funded with Westminster money, any outstanding Government projects that were not decided by the Scottish Parliament, the devolved Parliament, the legal system, passports, naturalisation of non-Scottish people living in Scotland or Scottish people living in other parts of the UK, terms of UN, NATO, Commonwealth and EU membership, recognition from other countries, embassies and of course... oil.
That's just a small number of potential logistical nightmares to sort out.
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I was about to post PC gaming...
...but this made me stop and think.
Now I'm still going to post it.
PC gaming.
How is the most constantly up-to-date way to experience interactive media out of date? Well I'm glad you asked.
Granted, it certainly isn't the technology that makes it out of date. PC gaming has, and always will have the best graphics possible for any given date in gaming history.
But only on a supremely powerful computer. And no, I'm not gonna complain about not having enough money for a powerful gaming PC. I probably wouldn't get one anyway.
Alright then, let's make a game with really good graphics and fluid controls. Now let's ruin those controls by implementing them on one of the most non-friendly-to-gaming devices ever... the keyboard. Yes, I can use a keyboard just fine for various programs and typing and all that crap. But why should games use a flat board of identical-feeling keys that are spread out farther than any one hand can reach. Using a mouse is awesome, but a keyboard is annoying. No matter how many times I re-map the keys, some important function must be in a spot that just doesn't feel comfortable. WASD for movement is jerky, and has no analogue; I thumb stick is much better. Similarly, there is no such thing as pressure sensitivity (PS3 FTW) and that is an excellent feature if used right.
I suppose I could go get some specialty control device that does what I like. Of course it'll be at extra cost, but more importantly, not all games will support it. Which brings me to my next point...
Compatibility.
Suppose I have a powerful gaming PC, but wait! It's not on an Nvidia Graphics card and it's not on an Intel Motherboard. This can only lead to one inevitable possibility, incompatibility. Due to the massive number of brands and types of hardware and software, no game developer will (or can be reasonably expected to) make their game fully compatible with every hardware/software set up. This ultimately leads to a game being really well optimized for a very specific set of hardware/software (see console gaming) and/or generally below-par, but more compatible on more systems.
So, to get the best possible performance out of any single game, it should be optimized for one system and one system alone. This will force people to buy that one rig, but they'll get the most out of their game. But next year, the best rig will be something different and even more expensive than the last one. Rather than have people buy a really expensive rig in a short period of time (or the above option of constant upgrading and thus: wildly different set-ups which results in compatibility issues and poor optimization.) how about releasing one rig every few years, and the developers can make excellently optimized games for that. (see console gaming)
But of course, whoever made that rig would make huge profits and everyone else would scuff their feet and be jealous. So naturally, no one company will make something, but every other company can make money through that system. Which doesn't just include hardware...
Connectivity.
Back when there were only a couple of games that even had an online component, this wasn't much of an issue. Now that there are thousands of them on a yearly basis, it is kind of an issue.
On PS3 I have:
Far Cry 2
MW2
Unreal Tournament 3
Portal 2
Borderlands
Sacred 2
Battlefield: Bad Company (1 & 2)
The Orange Box
For the purpose of this example, I have more, but all of these games have and online component and have been released on PS3, 360 and PC.
How many log-in accounts do I need to play them online on PSN? One.
How about 360? One.
How about PC? Well, probably one log-in for each game... Maybe more. (!!!)
You can't get Sacred 2 on steam, I just searched. I got Far Cry 2 on PC, but I got it on a disk and not through steam, so I can't use my steam account with it.
Imagine I get Battlefield 3. Well then I have to download Origin and create yet another account.
Even if I were to only use one master platform (steam) I wouldn't be able to get all that my PC can handle. Whereas with my PS3, once I have my PSN account set up, I can play all the games that even work on a PS3.
So the PS3 controller is way better overall that a mouse and keyboard set up. (mainly the keyboard part) The Dualshock/Sixaxis (oh, rumble, motion sensitivity; another thing M & C doesn't do) is designed for two hands. The mouse was designed for one hand, and the keyboard was designed for two. 1 + 2 = 3 and that's more hands than I have. On a slightly related note, the N64 controller was designed for someone with three hands, and that was terrible too.
My PS3 console, despite the fact that it's hardware is vastly inferior to even the laptop that I'm using right now, has really good looking games. I mean come on, it's only got 256 MB of RAM and another 256 VRAM. Sure, the CPU is good, but my laptop's i3 isn't exactly a slouch. So my PC has a 2.13 Ghz CPU, 4 GB RAM, and a 512 MB Ati graphics chip. But there's no way I'll ever get decent performance out of any of the games that I listed above, even on the lowest settings. (which I can get on PS3) (say what you will about laptop chipsets and whatnot, I know already. See above about compatibility and optimization)
And again, for the games that I do play on PC, I have dozens of accounts, platforms, and various necessary software to play them.
But on PS3, I have only one. (with the exception of MGS
nline, which required a Konami account, and was just as annoying to set up as anything) (Disclaimer, I do not only have one PSN account, I have several. But I only need one.) And with that one account, I get a universal log-in, friends list Voice chat (cross game and all that on 360, Get with the program Sony) For cross-game chat on PC, I would need to use Skype, Vent, Mumble, Steam, Xfire, or whatever the hell else there is, and yes, probably more than one, because not everyone I know uses the same stuff.And that's the problem with PC gaming for me. So yes, I'm saying that my several-year-old PS3 that had outdated hardware at launch, is still better for gaming than any PC ever created.
Bring on the hate.
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I think consoles are great. You just put a CD in it and play! No worries about your PC not being powerful enough to run the game, windows and the time it takes to install the game. Plus when you play on a console, you just lay on a couch with a bottle of beer and the controller. Yeah!
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There are arguments for republicanism, but it's important to remember that there is a difference between the Head of State and the Head of Government.
Modern, constitutional monarchies are complimentary rather than restrictive to a democracy. Those who actually run the country, the Head(s) of Government, are elected by the people and while the Crown has nominal control over the country, it will only act on the advice of the Government. The monarch can be an impartial arbiter towards an indecisive Government.
In comparison to a figurehead President, a monarch simply focuses on their duties; being a tangible symbol for national unity and national institutions. A President panders to party politics and also has elections to think about.
Monarchies are also a big source of tourism, in the UK at least.
A President would also incur a large amount of cost to the taxpayers; homes, staff and security. And it wouldn't really change anything.
A problem with British republicanism is that it would throw our landmark contracts such as the Magna Carta, the Acts of Union and the Bill of Rights into disarray because those were written with the people as subjects of the Crown.
Why do a republics like Ireland and Germany need a ceremonial figurehead? If you're going Republic, go the whole hog like the US and have just one Head of both State and Government.
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I'm actually undecided on republicanism. But I can see many arguments that favour the status quo.
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I was about to post PC gaming...
...but this made me stop and think.
Now I'm still going to post it.
PC gaming.
To me PC gaming will always be better then console gaming for the sole reason it will always have more exclusive games and offer me a wider selection in which to choose from. Sure there are some games I think are awful, but that still doesn't mean they're not intriguing to someone.
Here is a list for 2012 planned exclusive releases: https://adrianwerner.wordpress.com/2012-2/
Also with a PC I'm not bound by a manufacture's hardware and if I modify it in anyway, save for a hard drive swap, I'm banned from ever playing online games with it. With a PC I can mod till I can't mod no more and then still pop onto SWTOR and run dungeons for hours on end with my friends.
Along the same lines you're also able to modify the games and you get support from the developers themselves. Take Skyrim for example, sure the core gameplay is fantastic but add in the mod community and you're looking at incorporating several more hours of gameplay for free. Also a fan who isn't bound by rules, budget or time constraints can put out some pretty epic stuff. I'm sure you saw the Morrowind mod that completely recreated the game, try doing that on a console.
You complain that games aren't compatible with certain components which is true to a very small extent and are almost always fixed with patches. For the most part though if you have a pretty standard setup you'll be able to run a game, it might not be fully optimized but it will still be playable and look pretty good.
The keyboard isn't a bad device for gaming either, especially with some genres. I can't imagine playing an RPG of FPS without one. A console's controller really limits you with buttons, but on a keyboard I can keybind all I want. I even have a keyboard with 12 more keys on it for keybinding, it works great. If you put WASD together with a mouse too, you put much have the same control as you would with a console for most games.
Sure sim games sort of suck with a keyboard and mouse, but that's to be expected. Also almost every new game supports a game pad, I have 360 one hooked up to my computer and if the occasion calls for it, a PS3 one as well.
As for the system, PC's have the ability to outlive consoles with only minor component changes. The PS3 came out in 2006, my previous computer was built in 2005 and up until last November it did everything my PS3 could and more. All I had ever done with put a more up-to-date graphics card in it and swap in an extra gig or two of RAM. Even though I built myself a new, top of the line PC, the old computer is still kicking and lives in my buddy's basement as my LAN rig.
PC gaming is anything but outdated, sure it had a lull for a while but it's coming back on extremely strong right now. I don't dislike consoles in anyway and there are games I do enjoy on them. I pretty much buy all my sports game for a console and racing games I tend to enjoy on the console more too. When it comes down to my core gaming though I can't see anything being able to beat out the PC. Plus I have a rig capable of doing so much more than a console could dream of.
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Whatever.The whole idea of having a Queen is so old fashioned.
No, I agree with MazdaPrice. Constitutional Monarchies still have several benefits in a modern society. They provide a single, tangible rallying point with respect to national unity. This gives the citizenry someone to look up to and provides a solid link with a country's heritage. They are impartial, so they are ideal arbitrators in governmental disputes and inauguration and whatnot. Constitutional monarchs also (I presume) generate more revenue from tourist-related activities than they cost to maintain. They also reinforce nationalism in a good way - something to be immensely proud of, as they tend to represent all that is good in a country.
I personally like that Canada has maintained its links to the Crown, as separating the head of state from the head of government is advantageous in my opinion.
So yeah, I don't think monarchies are old-fashioned or outdated. I hope the remaining houses have lots of good years left in them.
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I think that depends on what you play and how dedicated you are to it. I still play;
Grand Prix 2 (1996, PC)
Formula 1 97 (1997, Playstation)
TOCA Touring Car Championship (1997, Playstation)
TOCA 2 Touring Cars (1998, Playstation)
WWF Smackdown! (1999, Playstation)
WWF Smackdown! 2 (2000, Playstation)
Gran Turismo 2 (2000, Playstation)
Grand Prix 3 (2000, PC)
Pokemon Crystal (2001, GBC)
an awful lot. I mean, I spent hours playing these growing up instead of going out and having a life. And I still spend a very significant amount of time playing them.
And those are just some of the older games I play.
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I have 150 hours on the original Gold. Best Pokemon game ever. I had every Pokemon except a couple of Silver exclusives
Nostalgia...
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