Overtaking lapped cars ISSUE. Ghosts or No Ghosts?

[adstomko]

As far I remember in the post-race chat the lapped driver kind of appologized to adstomko cause he also thought he is ghosted . I would also expect lapped driver to be ghosted when close, cause thats how I understand "Cars over a lap behind will now be ghosted depending on the distance from the player's car". I faced it already some times and it worked out well (so far).
If it is not like this, PD should clear communicate and everyone will adapt (blue flags are welcome as well). If it is a bug, PD should sort it out.

I don't think he apologised, I think he just stated that he thought he was still a ghost. However, I have just looked at the driver's stats on Kudosprime. The driver's SR is currently at 64 (B). It has sometimes been as low as 28. Only once has he surpassed SR 90.
The driver also caused problems in qualifying. He/she was first out of the pits, but blocked the faster drivers behind through multiple mistakes. Lack of respect is clear here, and this makes it more believable that the driver was rather selfish in blocking my path and not knowing his/her would become a ghost.

You should have to navigate around lapped traffic. There is no such thing as ghosting out here in the real world.
Coming through a chicane is not a reasonable place to let faster traffic past but everywhere else could be.

If the accident took place at a chicane at Blue Moon Speedway for example, yes it would be difficult because there is barely any run-off area. However, most circuits tend to have run-off areas, Suzuka being an example. The driver could've moved to the grass or the inside over the green strip. It is lack of awareness and limited respect .

I think you need to look again at the video.

The car is clearly unghosted at the time of you reaching your braking point.
It remains unghosted the whole time.
You have completed braking, passed the first apex, and are on the throttle the first time you hit him.

I get it that you are disappointed in the end result.
I get it that the leader reached the car at an opportune time, whereas you didn't.

But I don't get this claim you are making that the car ghosted/unghosted in such a manner that you had no option but to hit him, and therefore it was all the games fault and that you are blameless.

But accelerating unnecessarily and making contact with the back of a car that clearly isn't ghosted, is the fault of the driver. (fact)
You have to drive and react to the circumstances put before you, not to some alternative reality you feel should apply.

I've bumped the thread on the SONY forums by posting and "@"ing a developer.
There may or may not be a response.
Time will tell.

(After watching @ivann 's video): Well now I'm really confused.
Heading towards Degner it seems the car about to get lapped is "ghosted".
But it unghosts as the lead car gets closer, and then he drives straight through it.
Is this a replay glitch or is this how it actually happens?

Because that changes everything.

I began to gently use the throttle because that is the normal racing line for myself and many other drivers who are S/S. I didn't deliberately accelerate to try and punt him off.
Thanks for bumping my thread.

And @ivann 's video really supports my/the game's problem! Before that race, I have passed backmarkers which didn't appear as ghosts but I could still drive through them like a ghost! So, why doesn't it work here?
I don't think I should take responsibility for my actions in the accident. I can tell you that 99.9% of drivers in my situation would've done exactly the same thing as myself.

 

[TheGeologist]

This thread should have a poll

 

[adstomko]

This thread should have a poll

I planned to create one after I heard the responses to the incident. Also, the FIA Nations Cup race at Tsukuba tonight. I expect similar problems

 

[JulesDennis]

I don't think he apologised, I think he just stated that he thought he was still a ghost. However, I have just looked at the driver's stats on Kudosprime. The driver's SR is currently at 64 (B). It has sometimes been as low as 28. Only once has he surpassed SR 90.

Since the rating system is not the best he may not belong in the same "pool" as you but still you said this was a S/S lobby.So at that time he had both the pace and safety manner to get in.If he was there because of the DR/SR "reset" bug its the games fault.

The driver also caused problems in qualifying. He/she was first out of the pits, but blocked the faster drivers behind through multiple mistakes. Lack of respect is clear here, and this makes it more believable that the driver was rather selfish in blocking my path and not knowing his/her would become a ghost.

I could believe that he caused problems in Q -because he was slower for example- but from your video I dont see him "blocking" or being "selfish".

If the accident took place at a chicane at Blue Moon Speedway for example, yes it would be difficult because there is barely any run-off area. However, most circuits tend to have run-off areas, Suzuka being an example. The driver could've moved to the grass or the inside over the green strip. It is lack of awareness and limited respect .

No way you believe that.If you actually do then you also have limited respect and lack awareness.
Being faster or even lapping another does not mean that the other guy must go off-track so that you dont lose time.

I began to gently use the throttle because that is the normal racing line for myself and many other drivers who are S/S. I didn't deliberately accelerate to try and punt him off.
Thanks for bumping my thread.

Normal line when there is no other in front of you.If there is then you cannot race like that.

And @ivann 's video really supports my/the game's problem! Before that race, I have passed backmarkers which didn't appear as ghosts but I could still drive through them like a ghost! So, why doesn't it work here?
I don't think I should take responsibility for my actions in the accident. I can tell you that 99.9% of drivers in my situation would've done exactly the same thing as myself.

I would not do the same thing.In post #60 I wrote my opinion about how both drivers should react in situations like this and this is how I race.
Your original post was about ghosting and why it did not work (the way you expected).Its not about a guy "blocking" you and being selfish.After all,you hit him from behind,racing like he is not there (or being a ghost).
So its one thing to talk about how "ghosting" works -on this you have a fair point- and another thing about how the lapped car (or you) reacted in the situation.

 

[adstomko]

So at that time he had both the pace and safety manner to get in.If he was there because of the DR/SR "reset" bug its the games fault.

Of course that's the game's fault. I'm not blaming the driver for entering the same room as us. I'm blaming the driver for some of the actions made throughout the session.

No way you believe that.If you actually do then you also have limited respect and lack awareness.
Being faster or even lapping another does not mean that the other guy must go off-track so that you dont lose time.
Normal line when there is no other in front of you.If there is then you cannot race like that.

Well if the driver behind has an opportunity to win the race whilst driving through the last corner of the last lap, but is slowed down by a backmarker, you don't think that's inconsiderate and selfish from the backmarker's point of view? I think it certainly is. Heck, if I was the backmarker in that position, I would want to get right of the way because I would know I would regret the decision the driver made and feel selfish. It's impediment.
I would think, 'The leaders are coming, let's get out of the way. My race is over after the last corner, and it's pretty much over anyway because I am so far behind without any other driver to overtake.'

I know the original post was aimed to discuss about the problems with (un)ghosting, but if you were a backmarker completely on your own and nothing to race for, with the two leaders about to pass almost together, you're telling me you wouldn't move out of the way and lose a bit of time?!

 

[GTWelsh]

Normal line when there is no other in front of you.If there is then you cannot race like that.

Loads of people need to learn this.

Well if the driver behind has an opportunity to win the race whilst driving through the last corner of the last lap, but is slowed down by a back marker, you don't think that's inconsiderate and selfish from the backmarker's point of view? I think it certainly is.

No, not in this case, he had clearly let the leader through and (imo) had no intention of holding you up. The spin shows he was trying to be quick, for you probably.

I stand by my previous comment, the guy let the leader through but unfortunately got to the chicane before you got to him, he took the corners well enough and then had to catch a spin. Life's unfair, victim of circumstance, 100%. If you got to the back marker 100m before I'm sure he would of let you pass no problem. Surely you can't expect him to just ditch the car on the grass and let you pass? Back markers are part of racing.

 

[adstomko]

Loads of people need to learn this.

If you're fighting for position, then you're both correct to say that. However, when you're not fighting for position and being held up, it's extremely difficult to judge driver in front. Hence, it would be wise for the back marker to kindly move to the side

No, not in this case, he had clearly let the leader through and (imo) had no intention of holding you up.... Surely you can't expect him to just ditch the car on the grass and let you pass? Back markers are part of racing.

I believe the driver did not intentionally let the leader through. After watching the replay yesterday, the driver spun (why the yellow flags were out), and got going again slowly, seemingly without any awareness of the leaders coming through.

I mentioned in another post that somebody kindly went on to grass on outside of last corner because he outbraked himself in front of me, therefore trying to not affect my lap. The other driver could've at least cut the chicane onto the green tarmac and returned after we both went past, or even simply moved to the right in the middle of the chicane. It's not that difficult to do.
Backmarkers are certainly part of racing, but it's their responsibility to not impede the leading drivers.
Like in football, when a player goes down injured in the same half, the team normally kicks the ball the ball out of play, then returns it to the opposing goalkeeper once the injured player returns to the field.
It's an element of both awareness and respect.

 

[GTWelsh]

I believe the driver did not intentionally the leader through. After watching the replay yesterday, the driver spun (why the yellow flags were out), and got going again slowly, seemingly without any awareness of the leaders coming through.

If that's the case then fair enough.

However I do disagree with the back marker cutting chicanes and such to move out of the way. They should move but only when safe to do so and "off-track" isn't really safe.

 

[adstomko]

If that's the case then fair enough.

However I do disagree with the back marker cutting chicanes and such to move out of the way. They should move but only when safe to do so and "off-track" isn't really safe.

Just out of interest, why would that not be safe? Surely it would be safer to do this in the middle of a chicane after a long straight?

 

[ghostrider135]

Lapped cars shouldn't even be a thing in GTSport the races are so short, Back markers aren't the problem the problem is how PD matches player.

 

[DigitalBaka]

If the accident took place at a chicane at Blue Moon Speedway for example, yes it would be difficult because there is barely any run-off area. However, most circuits tend to have run-off areas, Suzuka being an example. The driver could've moved to the grass or the inside over the green strip. It is lack of awareness and limited respect .

.....really? So when you are getting lapped you go stuff it into the grass or gravel? Over the kerbs and onto the paint? I'll be the first to admit I don't get to watch a lot of racing but I've never seen this. Proper etiquette is for slower traffic to move off the racing line when it is safe to do so. As I said, a chicane, any chicane on any track, is not a safe place to do so; the whole thing is racing line.

I began to gently use the throttle because that is the normal racing line for myself and many other drivers who are S/S. I didn't deliberately accelerate to try and punt him off.

Your racing line changes in traffic. Period. Doesn't matter how much faster you can clock around the track or what your rank is, if there's a car in front you have no right to drive through him like he's not there. You are not time trialing, you are racing. Similar but different.

Clearly, clearly he's not ghosted when you get to him. He is in a part of the track where it is unsafe to just let you by. So your best and "only" option was to (gently) accelerate into his bumper? Your expectation was that he should cut the track, get a penalty and rating drop, possibly spinning out again on the slick surface just so you can pass and still finish second? Why doesn't he just park up in the pits when the car ahead is more than a couple seconds ahead? He won't cause any issues there, right? Are we sure he's the one with the lack of respect?

I don't think I should take responsibility for my actions in the accident. I can tell you that 99.9% of drivers in my situation would've done exactly the same thing as myself.

99.9% of gamers would do the same thing. You know, the ones that bump and lean on the AI cars in GT League so they can get to the front and get their trophy? The drivers and racers in the crowd would find a way around, safe and clean as possible. Maybe even just take it easy that last bit so as not to wreck with a driver that is clearly much slower and possibly less experienced or skilled but enough to stay ahead of third place.

You keep saying "awareness and respect" but I don't see that you had either when you hit him. Twice.

 

[Matty28]

We could discuss the failings of the system all day.

But accelerating unnecessarily and making contact with the back of a car that clearly isn't ghosted, is the fault of the driver. (fact)
You have to drive and react to the circumstances put before you, not to some alternative reality you feel should apply.


I've bumped the thread on the SONY forums by posting and "@"ing a developer.
There may or may not be a response.
Time will tell.

You'd have a point on the first hit if the cars visually ghosted every time reliably, but as you can see they don't. Sometimes they don't visually ghost, sometimes they visually ghost super early, sometimes they visually ghost 1cm before you go through them. You can see me dodge him but jamie_995 is too close to react and goes straight through the visually not ghosted car.


But yeah, the second hit was probably not the wisest move given he'd already seen the guy hadn't ghosted the first time.

 

[fastone371]

We could discuss the failings of the system all day.

But accelerating unnecessarily and making contact with the back of a car that clearly isn't ghosted, is the fault of the driver. (fact)
You have to drive and react to the circumstances put before you, not to some alternative reality you feel should apply.


I've bumped the thread on the SONY forums by posting and "@"ing a developer.
There may or may not be a response.
Time will tell.

I disagree, I dont think the fault lies with the OP. The 19th place car was ghosting shortly before 2nd caught up. Since 19th was already a lap down it should have remained ghosted until the leaders got by. This was the last corner of the last lap. According to PD lapped cars were supposed to be ghosted while getting lapped up. As far as the OP tapping the 19th place car maybe the first tap was avoidable but I dont think the 2nd tap was avoidable. Both drivers were accelerating out of the corner, 19th lost traction either to worn tires, the rumble strip, or just too much acceleration and no TC, thats a difficult tap for the following car to avoid. By the time the following car sees the front car lose momentum the following car would not only need to lift off of the accelerator but also apply brakes to avoid the contact. As far as not ghosting cars to make the game more realistic that opens a whole new can of worms. I think the majority of players would need to learn more proper racing etiquette. There are just to many players trying to do things like pass while going thru chicanes (does that ever work without a penalty or a car spinning?) and just sticking their nose inside of you entering a turn even though they dont have the momentum or speed to get fully beside you much less make a pass. So many seem to think that just because you have not turned in yet they can turn in early and go for the apex and it is "their" corner now. I apologize for the rant. Its difficult to race realistically when others race by their own ideals.

 

[Skiddy]

If the car doesn't look ghosted, then it's not ghosted. The OP author was hardly in a position to catch the leader. Should have settled for second place.

 

[adstomko]

Clearly, clearly he's not ghosted when you get to him. He is in a part of the track where it is unsafe to just let you by.

99.9% of gamers would do the same thing. You know, the ones that bump and lean on the AI cars in GT League so they can get to the front and get their trophy? The drivers and racers in the crowd would find a way around, safe and clean as possible. Maybe even just take it easy that last bit so as not to wreck with a driver that is clearly much slower and possibly less experienced or skilled but enough to stay ahead of third place.

You keep saying "awareness and respect" but I don't see that you had either when you hit him. Twice.

Have a look at @ivann 's video earlier on in the post. I still believed he was a ghost even though it appeared not to be, because the new rule hints that if you are close to the backmarker, you will be able to drive 'through' the backmarker.
So, I didn't think I actually touched the driver the first time, because it was so slight. At that point, I thought, 'Did I just touched him?' Like @fastone371 says, the 2nd contact is simply unavoidable. I'm a passenger.

Look, it's the last corner of the last lap, with a last gasp chance of winning the race. You wouldn't do the same thing as I did? I'm doing my own thing, not driving dirty. Ultimately, it's a fault with the system that the car didn't ghost, but the backmarker should be aware of oncoming traffic, especially if the race does not adopt ghosting.

If the car doesn't look ghosted, then it's not ghosted. The OP author was hardly in a position to catch the leader. Should have settled for second place.

Read the full original post and watch Ivann's video later on in thread.
I'll repeat myself: He may have had a penalty. He has just gone off the circuit, so he's clearly struggling with the tyres and may make another mistake, perhaps wheelspin like the backmarker. Hence, I still could've won

 

[inri]

If the car doesn't look ghosted, then it's not ghosted. The OP author was hardly in a position to catch the leader. Should have settled for second place.

not true. I drove straight through a solid backmarker at tsukuba today

 

[VeeDoubleU]

not true. I drove straight through a solid backmarker at tsukuba today

in addition to this, at Tsukuba a few days ago, I drove through a solid car that was taking a penalty (in the middle of a corner)

The ghosting is unbelievably inconsistent and unpredictable. Which just makes it worse than no ghosting.

 

[adstomko]

in addition to this, at Tsukuba a few days ago, I drove through a solid car that was taking a penalty (in the middle of a corner)

The ghosting is unbelievably inconsistent and unpredictable. Which just makes it worse than no ghosting.

I thank both of you for sharing your experiences.
I know some of the thread has gone slightly off-topic about what backmarkers should do, but I was convinced that the system was predominantly at fault and believed you could still drive through cars at the tim, whether they were transparent or not.
Hope the problem is fixed tonight but I guess I don't get my points back

 

[inri]

I thank both of you for sharing your experiences.
I know some of the thread has gone slightly off-topic about what backmarkers should do, but I was convinced that the system was predominantly at fault and believed you could still drive through cars at the tim, whether they were transparent or not.
Hope the problem is fixed tonight but I guess I don't get my points back

Check out this video I also posted in the daily race thread, it's me getting utterly owned by a backmarker in the same race I mentioned in my previous post rather than annoying it's just funny though but i suppose you can learn from my mistake in assuming a backmarker thats about to disconnect will be ghosted

 

[fastone371]

Check out this video I also posted in the daily race thread, it's me getting utterly owned by a backmarker in the same race I mentioned in my previous post rather than annoying it's just funny though but i suppose you can learn from my mistake in assuming a backmarker thats about to disconnect will be ghosted

LMAO!!!!! Not to laugh at your misfortune but that was very funny to watch. First the BANG!!!! SLAM!!!! into the wall, then the squiggling and skidding down the straight just before you hit him. Who drives like that??? LMAO!!!! If the "blinking" cars got penalties every time they slammed a wall they would be penalized until the middle of next week. I wonder what it looks like when you are the one behind the wheel of a "blinky"? What about when your the driver of "blinky" and you save the replay? Do you see a regular replay race or are you seeing what you saw when you cold forged his rear bumper???

I hate racing with the "weak interweb connected dancing cars". As a competitor here what are you even supposed to do? How do you possibly avoid that other than just taking the hit and aborting the race? If the dancing car "blinks" into you, you get a penalty. In fact there is no way that you dont get a penalty just for being on the same track as a "dancing car". A couple weeks ago at Monza I was a few car lengths behind a "blinking" car all of a sudden his was inside of my car!!! I got a penalty for that, no surprise there, how was I supposed to keep him out, I had mt doors locked.

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

Just my two cents but with regards to lapped cars, there is a certain etiquette on how to handle that situation from both the lapped and lapping driver's perspective.

However, if ghosting is going to be part of the equation, then I don't understand why both participants have to guess on when ghosting will kick in and act appropriately. The answer should be always, not if x or y happens. Otherwise, it fails on the whole point of ghosting in the first place.

 

[DigitalBaka]

Have a look at @ivann 's video earlier on in the post. I still believed he was a ghost even though it appeared not to be, because the new rule hints that if you are close to the backmarker, you will be able to drive 'through' the backmarker.
So, I didn't think I actually touched the driver the first time, because it was so slight. At that point, I thought, 'Did I just touched him?' Like @fastone371 says, the 2nd contact is simply unavoidable. I'm a passenger.

This is exactly what I was saying earlier about people using ghosting as a crutch. Instead of going around your assumption was that the solid car in front is actually not solid and tried to drive through. Why is this a behavior we want to cultivate? It shouldn't be up to the game to give you a way around the car in front. Should he be aware there's faster traffic coming and move over? Yes. Should the game have a consistent implementation of it's stated rules? Yes. Ultimately the only thing you can control is you, which is why...

Look, it's the last corner of the last lap, with a last gasp chance of winning the race. You wouldn't do the same thing as I did? I'm doing my own thing, not driving dirty. Ultimately, it's a fault with the system that the car didn't ghost, but the backmarker should be aware of oncoming traffic, especially if the race does not adopt ghosting.

Read the full original post and watch Ivann's video later on in thread.
I'll repeat myself: He may have had a penalty. He has just gone off the circuit, so he's clearly struggling with the tyres and may make another mistake, perhaps wheelspin like the backmarker. Hence, I still could've won

...I never assume the car in front of me is going to disappear out of my way. So no, I would not have done the same thing you did. From my perspective you lost any chance to pass P1 the instant another car was between you. Barring penalty time you weren't going to win so P2 isn't all that bad. Is a couple tenths closer to get maybe within the penalty worth the risk of wrecking yourself and the guy in front of you? Had you punted him in the chicane the penalty drops you back to at least P3. In my opinion, your aggressive actions in "the last corner of the last lap" were high risk with little hope for any reward.

 

[Skiddy]

Read the full original post and watch Ivann's video later on in thread.
I'll repeat myself: He may have had a penalty. He has just gone off the circuit, so he's clearly struggling with the tyres and may make another mistake, perhaps wheelspin like the backmarker. Hence, I still could've won

To much of ''He may have had.." "perhapses" and "maybes" to make aggressive moves like that. You made all those assumptions during that moment that would confirm your point of view, but you failed to make this assumtion: Maybe the car in front is not ghosted.
So what do you do? You give him a little nudge... Oh look it's still not ghosted. So let's try that again (?).. Nope, solid as a brick on wheels. Oh look, a penalty... How did that happen?

I don't see in the video that he is struggling with tyres, he might just make a driver error as the race comes to an end (what an assumption)..
Yeah, you could' have won that race, but that outcome was unlikely, because of all the "maybes" and "perhapses" involved.

 

[Silver_Wolf]

I actually came across this issue in Race C yesterday at Blue Moon Speedway. My rank is DR-C and was SR-S (gone down since) and I was in
first place racing around the internal section of the track.

I came up to 17th place and the car appeared ghosted as I approached the hairpin turn leading out to the oval section and then the
car unghosted as it slid off the track so it does seem very unpredictable, wasn't a problem as I was able to avoid the car but hopefully
today's update may have fixed the issue.

 

[adstomko]

To much of ''He may have had.." "perhapses" and "maybes" to make aggressive moves like that.

'Aggressive move.' Good grief.
Anyway, like some other posts have mentioned, both taps were unintentional, NOT aggressive. It is very clear I didn't 'try again' to hit the lapped car. He wheelspun, I had nowhere to go.
The outcome of winning the race was more unlikely than likely but still very much possible. So would you just give up on the chance of winning? Strange.

@darth_tails I'm glad for you it didn't affect your race.


I must say that IMO, after creating this thread, there are some peculiar thoughts on lapped drivers. It's their responsibility to move out of the way of the leaders, especially in a situation where two drivers are fighting for lead or position.
Like another post mentioned, the respect starts with the lapped driver, not the other way round.

 

[Skiddy]

The outcome of winning the race was more unlikely than likely but still very much possible.

Which is it? More unlikely or very much possible?

especially in a situation where two drivers are fighting for lead or position.

You were not fighting for the lead, P1 was cca 1.5 to 2 sec ahead of you.

 

[JulesDennis]

Well if the driver behind has an opportunity to win the race whilst driving through the last corner of the last lap, but is slowed down by a backmarker, you don't think that's inconsiderate and selfish from the backmarker's point of view?

In rl racing and in sim racing there are always "faster" drivers that get "slowed" down by traffic or slower drivers.
In your video the "traffic" or "lapped" car is not the "selfish" one.The problem is the "fast" car that thinks that everybody must move out of his way and go off-track,simply because he is faster.

I think it certainly is. Heck, if I was the backmarker in that position, I would want to get right of the way because I would know I would regret the decision the driver made and feel selfish. It's impediment.
I would think, 'The leaders are coming, let's get out of the way. My race is over after the last corner, and it's pretty much over anyway because I am so far behind without any other driver to overtake.'

The lapped car must make it easy and not block the leaders,yes.I already wrote what both drivers must do in a situation like this.For sure,the lapped car should not go off-track just to give you a chance (if there is any) to win one spot.

I know the original post was aimed to discuss about the problems with (un)ghosting, but if you were a backmarker completely on your own and nothing to race for, with the two leaders about to pass almost together, you're telling me you wouldn't move out of the way and lose a bit of time?!

I would make it easy for them,I already said that.But I am NOT GOING OFF TRACK.
Now lets go back to your video.Its the last lap,last S and then the finish.
The moment the leader is behind the lapped car,you are at least 1 sec behind him.If the leader does not make a huge mistake,there is no way you can fight for 1st position.Even if the lapped car is not there (or do what you think is logical -go off track-),you are not going to win the race.So in reality,the lapped car did not stopped you from winning the race,since the leader did not make any kind of mistake (mind that he did slow down when he was lapping that guy and avoided contact,something you did not do).Even if the lapped guy makes a full stop there,in order to let you pass (something that he should not do) you still have to use a "wider" line to pass him and not race like you are hot lapping by yourself.
You see that the lapped car is not ghosted but you hit him 2 times.If I were you,I would not try to force anything there,accept the fact that I am going to end up in 2nd position and finish the race.Note that the 3rd car is way behind you and not going to catch up with you.
So the "ghosting lapped cars" system may have not worked as it should or does (in other cases) but the bottom line is that the lapped car is not ghosted and you forced the issue.

'Aggressive move.' Good grief.
Anyway, like some other posts have mentioned, both taps were unintentional, NOT aggressive. It is very clear I didn't 'try again' to hit the lapped car. He wheelspun, I had nowhere to go

You are aggressive because you do not slow down and hit the lapped car twice.
You say that you had nowhere to go.The same thing goes for the guy in front:he has nowhere to go.Yet you think he has to "go off track".If that is a "choice" for him,then its a "choice" for you too.
You could use your brakes btw.But instead you intended to do what you did ,because you did not want to slow down.
So its either a case of the system failing you (you think that the lapped car is ghosted and you race like he is ),making an honest mistake or you made the wrong choice and lost 1 position.Either way,the lapped car is not "selfish" and did not do anything wrong.
I only have one thing to ask you:if the game did not have any kind of ghosting system,would you race the same way in this situation?


EDIT:
"Like another post mentioned, the respect starts with the lapped driver, not the other way round."

This is wrong.All drivers must respect each other no matter if they are lapping or getting lapped or fighting for 1st or second to last position.
People who think this way,are actually people that know nothing about race etiquette.

 

[Petoli]

It does seem people have a strange view as to what a Blue Flag means. It doesn't mean your being lapped get out of the way. Infact most series advise drivers being lapped to stick to the racing line and maintain its speed as its the lapping cars responsibility to get around them. Suggesting that car should leave the track to let someone past is silly. If you cant get past on a tight twisty section wait until there is a straight so you can.

 

[adstomko]

You were not fighting for the lead, P1 was cca 1.5 to 2 sec ahead of you.

The moment the leader is behind the lapped car,you are at least 1 sec behind him.If the leader does not make a huge mistake,there is no way you can fight for 1st position.Even if the lapped car is not there.

I'll repeat myself again, he may have had a penalty. The game doesn't notify you until the finish line whether the driver has a penalty or not. He may have had to slow down for a a second or two just before the line, which could have given me the win, given that the gap was about a second, dropping corner after corner. So, it's not like real racing as much because in a similar instance, the gap is too big and 1 sec penalties are normally not considered. Place deductions or large second penalties are given.
Nobody in F1 slows down at the finish line to reduce a pen etc.

Good question. Yes I probably would, because I'm driving as I normally would do, just like the backmarker tried to. I don't want to lose any time by being over-cautious about what is in front of me at the last corner of the last lap. If I was in 14th with no place to fight for, then maybe, just maybe I would be more cautious.

It does seem people have a strange view as to what a Blue Flag means. It doesn't mean your being lapped get out of the way. Infact most series advise drivers being lapped to stick to the racing line and maintain its speed as its the lapping cars responsibility to get around them. Suggesting that car should leave the track to let someone past is silly. If you cant get past on a tight twisty section wait until there is a straight so you can.

However, if it's the last corner of the last lap, with the leader and 2nd place going for the win, if I was a backmarker, I would definitely want to get out of the way immediately, even if I lose time.

In F1, most lapped drivers move off the racing line or clearly slow down/indicate when the leader can overtake

 

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I'll repeat myself again, he may have had a penalty. The game doesn't notify you until the finish line whether the driver has a penalty or not. He may have had to slow down for a a second or two just before the line, which could have given me the win, given that the gap was about a second, dropping corner after corner. So, it's not like real racing as much because in a similar instance, the gap is too big and 1 sec penalties are normally not considered. Place deductions or large second penalties are given.
Nobody in F1 slows down at the finish line to reduce a pen etc.

But he may not had a penalty.You dont know if he did.That is no reason what so ever to justify your way of "driving" around lapped cars.You assume too much my friend.
BTW did he actually had a penalty at that point (or any other)?

Good question. Yes I probably would, because I'm driving as I normally would do, just like the backmarker tried to. I don't want to lose any time by being over-cautious about what is in front of me at the last corner of the last lap. If I was in 14th with no place to fight for, then maybe, just maybe I would be more cautious.

I actually was thinking that you would.And this,my friend,is the wrong attitude in (rl or) sim racing.
In more serious sim racing titles (like iRacing) this logic/driving will get you banned.The same goes for any organized league.
Maybe this logic will get you banned from GTS too.So,I would be carefull if I were you.

However, if it's the last corner of the last lap, with the leader and 2nd place going for the win, if I was a backmarker, I would definitely want to get out of the way immediately, even if I lose time.

Your video is not about the two leaders fighting for position.But either way I already pointed out how lapped and lapping drivers must/should race:

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What lapped cars should do is to keep a racing line in order for the faster car to pass them in a safe manner (rl or sim racing).
Many times it helps if they give a lot of room but that cannot happen all the time.
The main thing is that a lapped car should:
-need to use clear body language (driving a predictable line -no nesseseraly off the racing line-,no sudden moves or braking)
-pick a side and then religiously stay there until the car has passed (even try slowing a little to expedite the pass)
-be aware there could be any number of lapping cars
The lapping cars:
-be aware that the car getting lapping may have absolutely no knowledge of their presence (especially in case of 2 or more cars lapping another)
-it is their responsibility to make a clean pass as in any other case.