P1 vs LaFerrari vs 918 Timed Around Silverstone
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So, basically, all three cars are so evenly matched that they're always within a second of each other, whatever the conditions or track? 
The Hyper 5 video continues to be the worst of the lot. No full videos of the laps? No explanation of methodology, and all they showed was an excruciating reveal? Color me unimpressed.
Much better conditions in Harris' video, at least, than in the Super video, thankfully. (still going through it. It's a looong video...)
Interesting to note, also, that you can see where the Ferrari loses out a little bit... more wheelspin and less traction than the McLaren, which already has lots of wheelspin. The comparison of Trofeo Rs to Corsa was illuminating as well. But the real goodness was at the end.
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That was one of the most epic track battles I've ever watched. Not because it was close and tightly driven. No. It was because they were just plain goofing around after the first two laps. At the end, they weren't even trying, they were simply having fun. And isn't that what cars are all about?
*Still laughing at Tiff's comments regarding Harris' choice of clothes.
The Hyper 5 video continues to be the worst of the lot. No full videos of the laps? No explanation of methodology, and all they showed was an excruciating reveal? Color me unimpressed.
Much better conditions in Harris' video, at least, than in the Super video, thankfully. (still going through it. It's a looong video...)
Interesting to note, also, that you can see where the Ferrari loses out a little bit... more wheelspin and less traction than the McLaren, which already has lots of wheelspin. The comparison of Trofeo Rs to Corsa was illuminating as well. But the real goodness was at the end.
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That was one of the most epic track battles I've ever watched. Not because it was close and tightly driven. No. It was because they were just plain goofing around after the first two laps. At the end, they weren't even trying, they were simply having fun. And isn't that what cars are all about?
*Still laughing at Tiff's comments regarding Harris' choice of clothes.
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My take just from the on-board hot laps:
- Porsche: Most stable of the two, obviously the AWD helping with that. The Michelins made the least amount of noise when pushed hard. Can't say I'm a fan of the sound it makes though.
- Ferrari: Suspension must be pretty stiff, it looked like it was bouncing around quite a bit. Did have some trouble putting the power down, but not nearly as bad as the McLaren.
- McLaren: To be honest, the lap looked the slowest to me but was surprised by the lap time. Huge rush of power on corner exit made it look like it was loosing lots of traction but apparently that wasn't enough to slow it down. This one, despite being so slow, looked more planted than the Ferrari.
If I was to choose one, I don't care if it ended up being the slowest, it would be the P1 by far. I just love how wild it looks, the sounds it creates are music to the ears (sorry V12 fanatics
), and it's just so bad ass in black!
- Porsche: Most stable of the two, obviously the AWD helping with that. The Michelins made the least amount of noise when pushed hard. Can't say I'm a fan of the sound it makes though.
- Ferrari: Suspension must be pretty stiff, it looked like it was bouncing around quite a bit. Did have some trouble putting the power down, but not nearly as bad as the McLaren.
- McLaren: To be honest, the lap looked the slowest to me but was surprised by the lap time. Huge rush of power on corner exit made it look like it was loosing lots of traction but apparently that wasn't enough to slow it down. This one, despite being so slow, looked more planted than the Ferrari.
If I was to choose one, I don't care if it ended up being the slowest, it would be the P1 by far. I just love how wild it looks, the sounds it creates are music to the ears (sorry V12 fanatics
), and it's just so bad ass in black!
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@R1600Turbo - looks can be deceiving. I also had my doubts the P1 would reach that line in under 1:55, but it simply rocketed out of that last turn...
That rear wing seems really effective on those high speed corner exits. Sure, it did spin up its tires, but the volume and duration didn't as bad as in the Ferrari... I guess we were hearing it differently! I think the defining moment for me was over that crest at speed... the Ferrari spun its tires harder there, while the McLaren simply powered through.
Beyond the wing, it might also be the active suspension working. Sure, the LaFerrari also has active dampers, but as McLaren's active system also replicates anti-roll bar function, it's possible for the McLaren to run softer where it needs to run softer for better traction.
That rear wing seems really effective on those high speed corner exits. Sure, it did spin up its tires, but the volume and duration didn't as bad as in the Ferrari... I guess we were hearing it differently! I think the defining moment for me was over that crest at speed... the Ferrari spun its tires harder there, while the McLaren simply powered through.
Beyond the wing, it might also be the active suspension working. Sure, the LaFerrari also has active dampers, but as McLaren's active system also replicates anti-roll bar function, it's possible for the McLaren to run softer where it needs to run softer for better traction.
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Only had time to watch the 1st section of the video where Chris runs the lap times...
Good to see they equalised the tyres
Only really one comment for now... You can bet the lap times are pretty representative if Ferrari sent their test driver out to the venue before the test. He will know what the LaF is capable of round there and if Chris didn't get close to that they would be kicking up all kinds of ****.
Can't wait to get home to watch the full thing.
Good to see they equalised the tyres
Only really one comment for now... You can bet the lap times are pretty representative if Ferrari sent their test driver out to the venue before the test. He will know what the LaF is capable of round there and if Chris didn't get close to that they would be kicking up all kinds of ****.
Can't wait to get home to watch the full thing.
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Looks like the Ferrari won in the end. Can't say I'm all that surprised by the result; the chassis looked the most playful and tractable of the bunch, and the aural delights of a high-revving V12 cannot (ostensibly) be matched by plebeian V8s.
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Regarding the equal tyres:
"I probably cut the Piston Heads threat short by 700 pages." I lol'ed, but he's so right!
The lap in the P1 seemed properly scary, but man, did it look awesome! Anyhow, the three are so close, the results might indeed be down to Chris' performance on a given lap moreso than the cars itself. Still, being as anti-Ferrari as I am, I'm happy to see the lap times he got
Not that I'd ever have the cash, but 918 as the daily hyper car and the P1 for some bat **** insane shenanigans (with the looks to match)? Yes please Ah, if only, if only...On the topic of "if only", a prime time TV show with the guys from XCar and Chris Harris and I'd be set. Seriously.
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Would prefer LaFerrari the most I think out of the three.
I wonder how the new Dodge Viper ACR would rank against them.
I wonder how the new Dodge Viper ACR would rank against them.
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This. The P1 literally rocketed out of the last corner.
My heart says P1. My mind says 918. My soul says LaFerrari.
I don't think I'll ever be able to choose between them.
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If I was going on sheer looks and sound, the Ferrari has it. If I was going for driving pleasure, the McLaren edges it. If I was looking for technological advancement, the Porsche is the one. Which would I have? It's close, but I think for me the one I need is the LaMcLaren 918.
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That video was incredible, been waiting for something like this. Just Imagine what the Amazon Top gear trio movie will look with the production value.
when all 3 were announced I was a LaFerrari fan boy but now I love all 3, what a day it must've been. loved the end where a Mclaren engineer was taking a picture of the LaF. sums it up really it was a celebration of 3 unmatched super weapons.
Final thought it I love how Mclaren transforms into a non legal road car on track, what a genius solution to gain an advantage. Incredible how a team with such talent is awful in F1.
when all 3 were announced I was a LaFerrari fan boy but now I love all 3, what a day it must've been. loved the end where a Mclaren engineer was taking a picture of the LaF. sums it up really it was a celebration of 3 unmatched super weapons.
Final thought it I love how Mclaren transforms into a non legal road car on track, what a genius solution to gain an advantage. Incredible how a team with such talent is awful in F1.
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I'm torn between the LaFerrari and the McLaren. The sound and fury of the Ferrari are incredible, and it looks like a truly delicate thing to drive around a twisting track. But the McLaren has been described by many as also being incredible to drive, and easy to coax into and out of slideways antics.
The world could use a few more Tiff and Chris lap videos. That was excellent editing and execution. The quick cuts and sound bites mixed with glorious slow-motion were a great way of keeping the action accessible to the audience. I'm damn jealous of Marino Franchitti right now.
The world could use a few more Tiff and Chris lap videos. That was excellent editing and execution. The quick cuts and sound bites mixed with glorious slow-motion were a great way of keeping the action accessible to the audience. I'm damn jealous of Marino Franchitti right now.
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With McLaren and Ferrari sending teams of engineers, and arguing about what they could and couldn't do, kudos to Porsche for seemingly just letting their car turn up on its own.
Harris's video was rather epic. I watched it on my PS3 so I could get it full screen on my big TV.
Harris's video was rather epic. I watched it on my PS3 so I could get it full screen on my big TV.
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Yeah but Harris was probably paid-off to say that.
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Tiff and Chris should work together more often.
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I think Chris said at the end of the video that Porsche had their guys there, it was also easier since Porsche supply the street (michelin) tyre, problem was with Pirelli (trofeo and corsa). But Porsche from the start have been the less whiny of the 3 no doubt about it, it's the car that impressed me the most as well.
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One of the best independently produced car videos I think I've ever watched (though Chris's video of the Lister Jag at Good wood Revival remain my all time favorite).
None of the cars really appeal to me as an ownership proposition (I'd rather spend £1.5 million on a perfect 250GT Lusso or a Muira), but still great to watch the current pinnacle of Hypercars being thrashed round a track given most of them will either spend their lives in an AC garage or being driven round city centers. Chris & Tiff are properly entertaining as presenters
None of the cars really appeal to me as an ownership proposition (I'd rather spend £1.5 million on a perfect 250GT Lusso or a Muira), but still great to watch the current pinnacle of Hypercars being thrashed round a track given most of them will either spend their lives in an AC garage or being driven round city centers. Chris & Tiff are properly entertaining as presenters
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Really enjoyed Chris' video! Absoloutly fantastic 👍
I simply can't choose between them. All are truly unique in approach & execution which makes the tiny margin between them all the more amazing.
I'll never own one of these cars. Ill never touch one of these cars. I'll never even see one of these cars. But god damn am I glad that they exist! What a time to be alive
I simply can't choose between them. All are truly unique in approach & execution which makes the tiny margin between them all the more amazing.
I'll never own one of these cars. Ill never touch one of these cars. I'll never even see one of these cars. But god damn am I glad that they exist! What a time to be alive
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The McLaren epitomized what it is to be and intense and involving driver's car. And I have no idea how anybody can knock the noises it makes. It's raucous, like a race car, the way a performance car should sound. You can hear all the systems, the engine, the turbos, the brakes, the motors, and you know that you're driving a machine that didn't come to play school. That's a little joke for you college football fans. The P1 came to win nattys, just like the F1, and the rest of them are soft.
Unfortunately I don't think the Ferrari would be able to eke out a win anywhere because it just doesn't have any standout features that give it an advantage.
I'm still firmly in the P1 camp. I trust in its power and aerodynamics and I think don't think any track test has been conducted at a track which would favor the P1, unlike several of these tests which favor the 918. The 918 is AWD so we already know it's going to accelerate the quickest and be dominant on smaller tracks with tight corners, as it was in all the 1/4 mile tests, the Laguna Seca test and that obnoxious Hyper 5 test. It's a million-dollar GT-R, it's not hard to see. Silverstone is about an average an F1 track as you can get and the cars all performed on par...how about that, huh. But what happens when you use a track that relies on speed and downforce? Spa? Monza? Melbourne? Maybe even Suzuka, there are only three corners there where AWD would be advantageous.So, basically, all three cars are so evenly matched that they're always within a second of each other, whatever the conditions or track?
Unfortunately I don't think the Ferrari would be able to eke out a win anywhere because it just doesn't have any standout features that give it an advantage.
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This is exactly what Marino should have said.... He kept on repeating the same thing because still shaken by the whole experience.... Understandably
Add Steve Sutcliff and you got my other trio of most loveable (UK) Drivers Car reviewers...!!
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That's an incredible lap. The P1 just has so much more grip on those tyres.
Though not my sort of car, the P1 is the most exciting for me. The LaF is just so ugly not even a mother could love it, and the Porsche just seems a bit, well, too efficient. Seems like a silly criticism, for what's a clearly very, very fast car, and still the only one to run 'sub 7'... But these cars are stupidly fast... Beyond the comprehension of even a really fast road car... So whether one is 0.5s faster over a 1'30+ lap is irrelevant.
186mph on the speedo braking in to turn one on lap 2... In a road car
Oh, and anyone want question Chris's driving abilities after that and the in car laps from the main video? I think he's proven He can drive well enough
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Nonsense! Chris isn't a certified something-or-another...
Still, can't claim any of them are perfect laps. Not with just six racing laps each (three warmup, three hot, if I recall properly from the video). But it's as fair a comparison (and tire-controlled even!) as you can get.
I don't doubt the factory drivers could go faster, but then it becomes a question of who has the best factory driver.
I think, Corsa to Corsa, with the McLaren not in Race Mode, the LaFerrari could eke out a win... against the McLaren, at least.
But, then, to make it like-for-like, you'd have to take the Ferrari out of Race Mode as well... and it becomes a game of regression...
All that's needed, really, is for Ferrari to spec a really big optional wing for the LaFerrari. Problem solved.
Still, can't claim any of them are perfect laps. Not with just six racing laps each (three warmup, three hot, if I recall properly from the video). But it's as fair a comparison (and tire-controlled even!) as you can get.
I don't doubt the factory drivers could go faster, but then it becomes a question of who has the best factory driver.
I think, Corsa to Corsa, with the McLaren not in Race Mode, the LaFerrari could eke out a win... against the McLaren, at least.
But, then, to make it like-for-like, you'd have to take the Ferrari out of Race Mode as well... and it becomes a game of regression...
All that's needed, really, is for Ferrari to spec a really big optional wing for the LaFerrari. Problem solved.
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Another way to view the Monkey test, and to put things into perspective:
If the 918 lost some weight,
If the LaF gained more downforce,
If the Mac wasnt so low the ground
And if we had a robot driver ( for consistent laps)
We actually might have an even closer results...
Initially i want the Frog to win... But after seeing all the videos, my million would go for the not so pretty Mac.
If i were to buy a Ferrari, it wouldnt be the LaFerrari.
IMHO.
If the 918 lost some weight,
If the LaF gained more downforce,
If the Mac wasnt so low the ground
And if we had a robot driver ( for consistent laps)
We actually might have an even closer results...
Initially i want the Frog to win... But after seeing all the videos, my million would go for the not so pretty Mac.
If i were to buy a Ferrari, it wouldnt be the LaFerrari.
IMHO.
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That was an impressive lap from Chris in the P1. Time to take it up a notch into professional motorsports, eh Chris? 💡
The Hybrid Supercar Trio are just amazing examples of modern engineering and technology no one can't ignore. To me, they are the younger form of the F1, Carrera GT, and the F40/F50/Enzo, which in their era, cars that started a lifelong pursuit of sheer driving, technology and performance icons in automotive history, which today, are the most remembered cars and have a cult status. These three always will be a must have if I hit the lottery cars. And to see that they are evenly matched in various conditions is something to appreciate. It is a difficult choice to like or even own just one of them, especially for me.
But if I had to choose......Oh forget it, I'll take the 918 in dark blue with the Weissach(sp) as the all rounder, P1 in McLaren/Historic Orange for the track, and a Rosso Corsa F70 LaF for the mountain roads!
The Hybrid Supercar Trio are just amazing examples of modern engineering and technology no one can't ignore. To me, they are the younger form of the F1, Carrera GT, and the F40/F50/Enzo, which in their era, cars that started a lifelong pursuit of sheer driving, technology and performance icons in automotive history, which today, are the most remembered cars and have a cult status. These three always will be a must have if I hit the lottery cars. And to see that they are evenly matched in various conditions is something to appreciate. It is a difficult choice to like or even own just one of them, especially for me.
But if I had to choose......Oh forget it, I'll take the 918 in dark blue with the Weissach(sp) as the all rounder, P1 in McLaren/Historic Orange for the track, and a Rosso Corsa F70 LaF for the mountain roads!
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