Parkland FL HS shooting, shooter arrested, 17 dead
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Right. So it must be that the entire world's media are spreading false propaganda to tarnish the reputation of the United States, and in doing so, all of the US statistical sources are going along with that narrative? Come on. Whatever the definition, whatever the interpretation, violent crime is higher in the USA. That's even accepted by the pro-gun lot in here.
Another laughable excuse. Yes that's why the law was initially designed, but what use are guns against a tyrannical Government? A hell of a lot of use they will be against tanks, bombs and drones
.There are some valid pro-gun arguments but these are not those.
LennyB
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I've thought about that but to be honest I was not heightened really, fortune or not I've not live the life of an angel and have been in many worse spots. I do my best to treat people with respect which is probably why there was no retaliation immediate or otherwise.
Guilty as charged. Whomever decided to jab at my parenting though? 👎
Ah, I didn't think of it that way, good point.
I think that covers all the responses.
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- a baby, candy, it's like taking.
- TexRex72
"Oh noes, not the thumbs-down emoji!"
Assuming the comment regarding carelessness when it comes to firearms was not sarcasm, and the admittedly ambiguous comment referring to oneself as a parent was literal and not hypothetical, I'd imagine CPS would take the comments as seriously as I* do.
*A father who, despite keeping firearms unloaded and locked within a locked safe, with the corresponding ammunition in a locked, fireproof container inside the same locked safe (because it's dangerous even without a weapon designed to expend it), and requires his daughter, who has expressed no interest in firearm use, to demonstrate the ability to respect them and use them safely on an annual basis even after attending camp approved by the NRA and local law enforcement agencies.
So, regarding the aforementioned comments...
👎
LennyB
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I was going to let this go but it just irked me enough by a hair to give you a proper response so here it is. How very rude of you sir, did it bother you so much that I pointed out the fact that a child is 10 times more likely to die from a bad taco than a school shooting? Too bad.
You made me start to think, or seeing as I'm always thinking, you made me ponder what sort of parenting job I actually did. I will focus on one child for the sake of not being long winded. She is not unlike my other children in any way but I remembered something that happened some years back.
The kid must have been 5 or 6 and I took her to the park on a warm sunny day, that's what dads do right? Even evil dads like me. Introducing them to peers and giving them the opportunity to form social ideals and all that. I sat on a park bench some ways off and just observed but being the devil that I am I light a cigarette. So here is what happened next...
Someone had a mishap and skinned a knee or something, I walk over to see what it's all about and I'm confronted with someone I would assume is not much unlike yourself, a mom, a very angry sour mom. She jumps into me with all sorts of judgment and accusations for what I can only guess is because I'm smoking and her son is minorly injured. Big deal but I will never forget the words that came out of my mouth and I don't really know where they came from or why I bothered to say them.
"ma'am, I am not raising my child to be like you because, I can tell that I don't like you or your kind."
Something close to that, she damn near ripped her son's arm out of it's socket as she stormed off to her car.
Now then I will ask you directly, do you think that anyone who does not think as you do or raise there kids how you would like them to be raised has a right to live without your filthy nose up in their business?
Just so you know, that particular child has a BS is biology with a minor in psychology and by the end of this year she will get her masters in psychology from a reputable institution. What she does with her life is simple, she works with low income families in remote areas that have autistic children. She counsels the families but her main job is to care for the children in need, it is fascinating, incredibly demanding, giving beyond anything I could ever think of, she says it's just giving a little back though. "you know dad, I'm just treating people the way you taught me to" That is what she says.
You've convinced me that I'm a terrible parent that should have my children stripped from me and placed in a better care without a doubt. Attack me all you want but the proof is right in front of my eyes. I have faced adversity, I have been a bad person, I even dare Say it again, own guns. What I have never done is hinder the development of my children, in fact I have given them every opportunity possible for me to give, all the doors where open and my safety net is without measure. Perhaps you would like to ask one of them just how rotten I really am.
I'm sure this post is a waste of time but I don't care because anyone with the short mind and nature to directly attack a person's ability to raise a child should be shot. It's fitting as this is in a shooting thread lol.
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Stop ruining the joys of the world's 48th greatest* invention: the fish taco!
* give or take few hundred
As a father of two kids, I really don't understand why criticizing the ways children are raised is such a sacred cow. If you're a parent, you're old enough to accept criticism (and hopefully wing it back).
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LennyB
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Call em up then, report me to child protective services, really? First off my kids are all grown functioning adults, actually first off is enough to get your goat I guess so I'll leave it at that.
I will never understand the reasoning some people have to figure their way is the only right way unless you are the return of Jesus or something, I must have missed all the fire and thunder. I'll let this lie but I just could not leave it as it was. I did the parent thing and I think I did pretty damn good, it's not the sort of topic people take lightly.
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- HamiltonMP427
It has plenty of purposes, cutting, stabbing, shaving, twiddling. Yet people think of knives alternatively as instruments for killing as well, which I would disagree with. Same with guns, building a weapon to fire a projectile for various means, such as sport, breaching, disabling, subduing or in some cases killing, does not make one of these things the primary function of said tool. Nor does it make it the only function. Same with other tools that many would suggest are designed only for killing.
Just as some tools serve a goal more so than similar tools in said family the same can be said for guns.
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- TexRex72
I've certainly received criticisms for decisions I've made as a parent (such as not delusionally assuming my daughter would never engage in underaged drinking while attending college) because I've made those decisions with my child's livelihood as a foremost concern (I'd rather she know she can get home safely by informing me of her inebriated state so that I can get her without judgement or punishment, rather than have her try to drive and, worst case, kill herself and/or others). I certainly didn't respond to the criticism by alluding to acts of violence as retribution.
Joey D
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While the reporter is indeed shady, I can't help but wonder why during a horrific event like this one of your go-to things is to post on Twitter. I also saw Snapchat videos from students too, which seems strange.
Maybe it's a generational thing, but if I was in a situation like that social media would probably be my last go-to until I made it to safety...and only then I'd post something to let people know I was safe.
Obelisk
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We have a society that stigmatizes mental wellness. We have a society that turns a blind eye to bullying. We don't enforce our gun control laws related to mental wellness.
And this gets us to where we are now. Over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over....and over again.
This problem lies in more than just the possession of the firearm. This isn't a black and white issue. Let's look at a few things:
The kid had a reason for needing a gun.
What was that reason and what caused it?
The FBI knew of this kid's actions.
Why did they not take action? Why did they not inform the local LEOs?
As mentioned elsewhere in the thread, this kid would have been prohibited from being in possession of the firearm under Floridan law.
Why was this law not enforced? Where were the LEOs or the FBI?
The school was hyper-aware of what this kid did.
Why did they not crank up security? Did they even have security guards?
What I'm trying to get at, if these don't make any sense, is the problem is not the weapon itself. It is the circumstances that led to the weapon being put in a mentally unstable kid's hands.
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I'll hold my hands up somewhat. I'm still very much anti-gun, but to the argument that Australia had no better improvement post-1996 in terms of homicides than the US, I accept I'm struggling to find any causality which proves that Australia's was significantly down to gun control alone.
However, let me pose this to you pro-gun guys. There have been an absolute ton of school massacres with guns in use in recent years - I'm not even going to look it up to find the exact number because I think we can all accept that these have occurred. Do you accept that if gun control was in place, the number of schoolchildren that had died would have been significantly reduced?
However, let me pose this to you pro-gun guys. There have been an absolute ton of school massacres with guns in use in recent years - I'm not even going to look it up to find the exact number because I think we can all accept that these have occurred. Do you accept that if gun control was in place, the number of schoolchildren that had died would have been significantly reduced?
I'm sorry but thos has to he said. It is exactly this sentiment that makes the USA believe gun laws or wrong.
Now please take a step back. Considering there have been 18 school shootings in the usa this year and I'm 26years old and lived in belgium all my life what was the last shoolshooting we've had? That's rigth, NONE. The closest we've had coming to this case where it was just a shooting was 'hans van temsche' we've changed our gun laws after that event. For the better!
This might be rude of me but people acting like the way 'gun use' is implemented in the usa is not the issue deserve nothing more but this outcome. When time and time again statistics shows you're wrong on a macro level and you keep denying it well then live with it! To paraphrase einstein, "to repeat the same experiment over and over and expecting a diffrent outcome is truly insanity.".
The harder guns are to get the morr the price rises on the black market
I thought americans would know this by now?
LennyB
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If you are speaking of the U.S. than no.
Guns are very easy to access here, extremely easy to access, so much so the old cliche holds true. Outlaw guns and the only one's owning them are criminals. We need a much better answer than gun control because as you can clearly see, it does not work.
Here is some of the data you said you did not want to look up, it's not comprehensive but it paints the picture of what we are facing.
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Dear oh dear... Australia literally proved that banning guns brings down gun crime. It freaking happened in front of our eyes! You can argue that it increases crime of other types all you like, but you cannot argue that gun control works for bringing down gun crime. Those countries with gun control have far less gun crime, end of.
Are you telling me that if gun control was in place, and the criminals had to work extremely hard and pay thousands to get guns on the black market, you still think 28 would have died in Sandy Hook?! If so then that tells me all I need to know.
LennyB
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Easier access is the first answer to that, I don't know how armed Australia citizens where but I know how well armed the U.S. is but besides all of that the right to bear arms is a defining statement of our culture.
Maybe in another 100 years we won't care but right now we do, why is it you think I should be punished for something other people have done? It's the argument you're going to get if you talk to any average american gun owner. I should relinquish my rights for the better good of society?
We don't need gun control we need education and care but I guess it would be ok for you maybe if these crazies without guns start building bombs or something. The new weapon of choice is a truck anyway or don't you read the news.
No personal digs intended here, I'm trying to explain to you what the U.S. is because maybe you are not so familiar with who we are. It's not what you see on TV.
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