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- JacksHereR
I wouldn't mind them removing the penalties associated to yellow flags and the onscreen text. As long as they keep the flag waving marshalls.
Penalty for overtaking a stationary cars under yellows
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- FredzyN2
The yellow flag is 100% necessary and useful as a warning. I received a penalty for passing under yellow while I was leading a race a few months back. A single guy, last place, had an off and was coming back onto the road, I slowed down a little to make sure he didn't sweep me up and blow my race. I got the penalty. That was my last ever race in GT, will remain that way until passing under yellow penalties are completely gone.
While it's not perfect, with a few changes it would work without issue. I don't see why it would get any worse. It's not as bad as people make out, at the end of the day its an automated system, it'll never be perfect.
I'm personally happy that they exist, though they could always be better.
thinking out loud, I think it'd be better if the yellow flag's auto cut the power, or limited the throttle, like some GT series have yellow zones where you can't go faster than a set delta time
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- GTP_daan
You didn't get a penalty for overtaking a stationary car. You got it for overtaking the Porsche under yellow flags which were out because of the stationary car.
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- Outspacer
It certainly can happen unjustly, after the crashed car is replaced on the track. The yellow lasts longer than the ghosting of the car. This has been checked in multiple videos, without any other crashed/slow cars around. If the OP had passed the ghosted car a split second later, he could've got a second penalty.
This particular case is rather more unusual, and it's hard to see how the system could be expected to judge it better. The other car just about stays on track, and doesn't slow down massively - certainly not enough to constitute a yellow of his own. I guess staying behind the porsche would have been the right thing to do, and might've lost fewer places. But, already at the apex when the yellow gets shown, there isn't much time to react, and would've been slowed more than the porsche along the straight. If this happened to me I'd just put it down to bad luck.
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I've done the same race, same ratings SR-S, DR-B. IMO it's better to play it it safe, more often than not you end up better off
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Yes, in the chaos that was Monza on last nights manufacturer race I did experience a 5 second penalty for passing during yellow, but I would have to watch the replay closely again. I don't think I passed anyone who was still on track - rather, passed somebody who was off track.
It was the first lap though, so it was complete chaos.
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- DaveTheStalker
So wait, if someone wrecks or gets wrecked, unless you come to a complete stop before you pass the victim, you get penalized???
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Yeah, I got the penalty on the Monza race last night also. I believe it was at the first chicane (of course), four or five cars piled up and mostly ghosted in front of me, nothing I could do with people right behind me but drive on. And that's the major problem I have with the current flag penalty; there should be a window where if you're within so many feet of the accident you can pass through penalty-free. I have no problem with the yellow flag system in general, but it needs to be more pragmatic.
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Yes
two in one go last night on Yama+Miyabi. Two cars crashed on a corner and were spinning across the track ghosted, I sailed through and was awarded a 10 second penaltyYes
and if there is more than car involved, it multplies
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- BigDawg_1281
Yep, the last 2 races I have ran... well the only 2 I have ran since 1.11. Got both while passing the car that caused the yellow. No other cars around either. Only penalties I have received. It makes me want to just avoid all sport and FIA races because of this. What am I supposed to do, stop?
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100% agree. such a flawed system
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Yesterday during qualifying in FIA manufacturers Dragons Tail race someone crashed ahead of me and I got penalized for passing the crashed car, I was certain it was ghosted and off the track. Could have very well been some lag between my event on screen and the server processing the whole thing. I still qualified 2nd anyways.
In the OP video, he overtook the car after the corner during the yellow, so that was obvious.
In the OP video, he overtook the car after the corner during the yellow, so that was obvious.
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I thought the original video was pretty fair driving tbh. Considering he made several passes through slow traffic (who are always quite unpredictable!)
And I’m not sure I get what you are showing with your video? You only make one overtake in the whole race (the others are just passing off track cars). And in that overtake you dive bomb lap 1 turn 1 and push him wide into a slide !
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I got another penalty last night on Dragons Trail for passing a pack of people after they wrecked in the bus stop.
Only 3 laps left, no time to bleed a 5 second penalty - especially on Dragons Trail, you can lift down the back straight and your penalty won't go away - so idk what I'm supposed to do.
It's basically a crap shoot with the yellow flag system - it's supposed to not allow passing between cars that are unaffected by the accident, yet it penalizes you for passing a car coming back up to speed from the accident.
Only 3 laps left, no time to bleed a 5 second penalty - especially on Dragons Trail, you can lift down the back straight and your penalty won't go away - so idk what I'm supposed to do.
It's basically a crap shoot with the yellow flag system - it's supposed to not allow passing between cars that are unaffected by the accident, yet it penalizes you for passing a car coming back up to speed from the accident.
Interesting assessment.
The first corner contact was a miscommunication between me and the 911, I didn't dive bomb him, I thought he'd run wide so I stuck my nose in, only for him to turn in sharply.
Following that, he and another 911 run three abrest into turn 4, the guy on the outside managed to give me space and the guy in the inside gave me space, until (taking 'revenge') he turned into the side of me punting me off the track (this seemed to be a feature of his race and landed him 12th place in the end I think).
But I keep it clean, have a good little fight with the GT-R and then on the following lap going into T1 it's three abrest again, only this time no one makes contact. I leave room on the inside for the GT-R and the guy on my outside runs wide. This poor exit of the Senna-S means the GT-R has a good run on me for T4. He tires to hang it around the outside and we both give each other plenty of space.
I could have been more aggressive and pushed him wide at the exit of T4, but that probably would have caused contact and could have ruined both our races. Just like I could have been more aggressive at T4 on lap 1, but played it safe, and while I lost positions, I only lost two and didn't cause anyone else issue.
This way of driving netted me 3rd and an increase in my DR rating as well as SR. It also led to me having an enjoyable fight with the GT-R. That is why I linked the video and why I added the text above it in my post.
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Maybe dive bomb was a bit of a strong word! Sorry for that!
But in both the races I saw some close racing with some inevitable contact (only minor and nothing malicious). I didn’t see any real difference in the level of aggression in either of the videos.
I just found your assessment of the original video interesting. Considering you were saying he needed a lesson in agression but then posted and almost identical video!
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Got one of those again, 5 sec passing a ghosted car in lap 1, was still 4.3 sec at the end, lost 2 places. Would have been more lost places if 4 others had not gotten the same penalty as our train drove by the ghosted stationary car. Nice red smear in the result screen.
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I'm pretty sure time penalties count against SR too.... ran a near-perfect race yesterday evening until I went past two crashers and got 10 seconds of penalties.
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- FredzyN2
Ha, hopefully. I was itching to get back into GT since the AC online lobbies have been such a ghost town, but I can't do it.
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No, for the most part the game is working as intended with the yellow flags, sometimes it'll bug out and penalize you for passing somebody who's spun out - but more often than not these 5 second penalties are during much harder to understand (from an AI perspective) situations.
Example 1, like the video.
Somebody is off track for whatever reason (or ghosted for going very slow), another totally unrelated car is going unusually slow due to whatever (tangled with another driver, maybe bumped the wall), the game cannot recognize that it is not realistic to expect you to slow way down to the slow drivers speed just because he/she happened to make a small mistake while in the presence of a yellow flag.
Example 2, more common
There is a large multi-car wreck (think the final chicane at Dragons Trail), 2-3 cars are ghosted and spinning out, but 1 other car who was also involved in the wreck happened to just hit the wall hard and lose a lot of speed, but hasn't spun out or ghosted. The game doesn't understand that this driver, who's going less than half the speed they should be, was part of the wreck and therefor shouldn't be protected by the no passing during yellow flag rule. If any other drivers get through the wreck without incident, they will likely be penalized for passing the slow car that isn't spinning out.
That being said, more often than not you won't get a penalty for passing wrecked cars during yellow as this seems to not happen every time.
It's a fairly rare occurrence.
Unfortunately it can be race ruining for some people and is definitely not working as intended.
Personally I don't understand why they had to implement yellow flags, all it has done is make things more confusing.
This is a different issue altogether.
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Your last two sentences are all that matter here. Forget the implementation of the rule, the rule is stupid and pointless in GT Sport.
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