Penalty System Tragedies

[MilkandMelk]

Same here I love ovals and bluemoon. In the past, bluemoon was my money maker. Always qualified 1st or podium, passed anyone and pretty much boosted my DR and SR. But the other day it became my worst nightmare and completely ruined everything. It's a love hate relationship.

Same here. I love the feeling of Qualifying on pole but gosh dang it everyone starts out about 2 mph faster than you and when you have 6 drivers all trying to Daniel Ricardo you on the first lap on the first corner but hey, sometimes it works out. Speaking of first corners, no one seems to know how to take the super sharp turn on Bluemoon! If you get it right, it can put you shockingly close to the top tens. I was surprised when I got in it, albeit, for about 15 minutes.

 

[Slader Foster]

Same here. I love the feeling of Qualifying on pole but gosh dang it everyone starts out about 2 mph faster than you and when you have 6 drivers all trying to Daniel Ricardo you on the first lap on the first corner but hey, sometimes it works out. Speaking of first corners, no one seems to know how to take the super sharp turn on Bluemoon! If you get it right, it can put you shockingly close to the top tens. I was surprised when I got in it, albeit, for about 15 minutes.

Very true about the first corner. That's were everyone slams into each other and launches some lucky guy up into 3rd. Like I said, love hate relationship but I dont think I'll be doing any ovals in sport mode for a while.

 

[GA 52]

Very true about the first corner. That's were everyone slams into each other and launches some lucky guy up into 3rd. Like I said, love hate relationship but I dont think I'll be doing any ovals in sport mode for a while.

Agree on the first corner... didn't wan't to qualify - just started out in the last part of the groups and it was possible to gain quite a few places on every race as there were too many crashed out in front of you. That was my way yesterday to stay away from the penalty displays on the monitor and have fun. Cheers.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Same here I love ovals and bluemoon. In the past, bluemoon was my money maker. Always qualified 1st or podium, passed anyone and pretty much boosted my DR and SR. But the other day it became my worst nightmare and completely ruined everything. It's a love hate relationship.

I love the strategy that comes with racing on ovals. GR.3 daily C on Bluemoon with draft bumping, fuel and pit strategy and timing the perfect break away when a car a lap behind comes in range. It was awesome. However it was also very costly. This is my full account from when I just had fun

Sat Feb 17 2018 14:54:37 GMT-0500 (Eastern Standard Time) -> DR:37761 | SR:99/99 | Races:1220 |
Sat Feb 17 2018 15:25:16 GMT-0500 (Eastern Standard Time) -> DR:50000 | SR:21/99 | Races:1221 | 12th -> 15th -88 Draft bumping
Sat Feb 17 2018 15:57:06 GMT-0500 (Eastern Standard Time) -> DR:50046 | SR:21/99 | Races:1222 | 3rd -> 1st -0 Draft bumping
Sat Feb 17 2018 16:53:17 GMT-0500 (Eastern Standard Time) -> DR:50127 | SR:30/99 | Races:1223 | 2nd -> 1st +9 Bathurst clean race
Sat Feb 17 2018 17:25:37 GMT-0500 (Eastern Standard Time) -> DR:7000 | SR:1/99 | Races:1224 | 1st -> 1st -29 Draft bumping
Sat Feb 17 2018 17:57:40 GMT-0500 (Eastern Standard Time) -> DR:9744 | SR:54/99 | Races:1225 | 1st -> 1st +53 Draft bumping
Sat Feb 17 2018 18:56:47 GMT-0500 (Eastern Standard Time) -> DR:12676 | SR:45/99 | Races:1226 | 2nd -> 1st -9 Draft bumping
Sat Feb 17 2018 19:26:20 GMT-0500 (Eastern Standard Time) -> DR:13994 | SR:46/99 | Races:1227 | 1st -> 1st +1 Draft bumping
Sat Feb 17 2018 19:55:30 GMT-0500 (Eastern Standard Time) -> DR:15175 | SR:29/99 | Races:1228 | 3rd -> 2nd -17 Draft bumping
Sat Feb 17 2018 20:28:49 GMT-0500 (Eastern Standard Time) -> DR:16207 | SR:37/99 | Races:1229 | 1st -> 1st +8 Draft bumping
Sat Feb 17 2018 20:55:23 GMT-0500 (Eastern Standard Time) -> DR:17220 | SR:25/99 | Races:1230 | 1st -> 2nd -12 Draft bumping
Sat Feb 17 2018 21:30:36 GMT-0500 (Eastern Standard Time) -> DR:18280 | SR:42/99 | Races:1231 | 1st -> 1st +7 Draft bumping
Sat Feb 17 2018 22:15:31 GMT-0500 (Eastern Standard Time) -> DR:19464 | SR:38/99 | Races:1232 | 1st -> 1st -4 Draft bumping

That was before time penalties or ghost lapping cars, and there was still the reset bug hence the raise to 50K first.

Choosing a co-op partner at the start to break away, then draft bump in fuel map 2 and out drive him when it's time to pit. Or if he's smart enough to save as well, keep going and pick the right moment to break away with a car a lap behind and draft bump that car for a bit not to 'give' the car you're drafting to your opponent.

Yet with time penalties and ghosted cars most of the fun is gone. You can still draft bump without time penalties if you do it really carefully, yet the SR is still deducted anyway. And after you've climbed back up from D/E to A/S a couple times the novelty wears off quickly.

 

[Slader Foster]

I love the strategy that comes with racing on ovals. GR.3 daily C on Bluemoon with draft bumping, fuel and pit strategy and timing the perfect break away when a car a lap behind comes in range. It was awesome. However it was also very costly. This is my full account from when I just had fun

Sat Feb 17 2018 14:54:37 GMT-0500 (Eastern Standard Time) -> DR:37761 | SR:99/99 | Races:1220 |
Sat Feb 17 2018 15:25:16 GMT-0500 (Eastern Standard Time) -> DR:50000 | SR:21/99 | Races:1221 | 12th -> 15th -88 Draft bumping
Sat Feb 17 2018 15:57:06 GMT-0500 (Eastern Standard Time) -> DR:50046 | SR:21/99 | Races:1222 | 3rd -> 1st -0 Draft bumping
Sat Feb 17 2018 16:53:17 GMT-0500 (Eastern Standard Time) -> DR:50127 | SR:30/99 | Races:1223 | 2nd -> 1st +9 Bathurst clean race
Sat Feb 17 2018 17:25:37 GMT-0500 (Eastern Standard Time) -> DR:7000 | SR:1/99 | Races:1224 | 1st -> 1st -29 Draft bumping
Sat Feb 17 2018 17:57:40 GMT-0500 (Eastern Standard Time) -> DR:9744 | SR:54/99 | Races:1225 | 1st -> 1st +53 Draft bumping
Sat Feb 17 2018 18:56:47 GMT-0500 (Eastern Standard Time) -> DR:12676 | SR:45/99 | Races:1226 | 2nd -> 1st -9 Draft bumping
Sat Feb 17 2018 19:26:20 GMT-0500 (Eastern Standard Time) -> DR:13994 | SR:46/99 | Races:1227 | 1st -> 1st +1 Draft bumping
Sat Feb 17 2018 19:55:30 GMT-0500 (Eastern Standard Time) -> DR:15175 | SR:29/99 | Races:1228 | 3rd -> 2nd -17 Draft bumping
Sat Feb 17 2018 20:28:49 GMT-0500 (Eastern Standard Time) -> DR:16207 | SR:37/99 | Races:1229 | 1st -> 1st +8 Draft bumping
Sat Feb 17 2018 20:55:23 GMT-0500 (Eastern Standard Time) -> DR:17220 | SR:25/99 | Races:1230 | 1st -> 2nd -12 Draft bumping
Sat Feb 17 2018 21:30:36 GMT-0500 (Eastern Standard Time) -> DR:18280 | SR:42/99 | Races:1231 | 1st -> 1st +7 Draft bumping
Sat Feb 17 2018 22:15:31 GMT-0500 (Eastern Standard Time) -> DR:19464 | SR:38/99 | Races:1232 | 1st -> 1st -4 Draft bumping

That was before time penalties or ghost lapping cars, and there was still the reset bug hence the raise to 50K first.

Choosing a co-op partner at the start to break away, then draft bump in fuel map 2 and out drive him when it's time to pit. Or if he's smart enough to save as well, keep going and pick the right moment to break away with a car a lap behind and draft bump that car for a bit not to 'give' the car you're drafting to your opponent.

Yet with time penalties and ghosted cars most of the fun is gone. You can still draft bump without time penalties if you do it really carefully, yet the SR is still deducted anyway. And after you've climbed back up from D/E to A/S a couple times the novelty wears off quickly.

I used many of those strategies. Like staying in slipstream with my fuel lean on 2 and just watch the guys in front hit each other and slow each other down. But now I dont even want to do ovals on sport. At least not until the wounds from the last session heal.

 

[supervento]

DR: B SR: S after a penalty of 5 seconds I leave the race and can not believe it DR: D SR: E !!!!!!!!!

 

[Slader Foster]

DR: B SR: S after a penalty of 5 seconds I leave the race and can not believe it DR: D SR: E !!!!!!!!!

If you quit, it ruins it even more. It's like leaving on a bad note. If you get a bad penalty and continue to race, it won't be nearly as bad as it would if you quit.

 

[xxxman1]

If you quit, it ruins it even more. It's like leaving on a bad note. If you get a bad penalty and continue to race, it won't be nearly as bad as it would if you quit.

Yup I feel for you but don’t quit a race even got “undeserved” penalty. Just park the car and let the clock run.

 

[vvise]

I've just about had it. All last month, after working hard and racing hard and clean, finally got my A DR I deserved.

If you "deserve" your DrA then it will be a joke to you to get it back. You should qualify on or near pole and run away with the race in DrB lobbies without much effort.

If the DrB lobbies are close and hard races. Isn't that good? You're home there.

 

[Slader Foster]

If you "deserve" your DrA then it will be a joke to you to get it back. You should qualify on or near pole and run away with the race in DrB lobbies without much effort.

If the DrB lobbies are close and hard races. Isn't that good? You're home there.

Regardless of how long it took to get to A, I put in a lot of work and effort. I'm already recovering very quickly. I felt I deserved it. I earned it fair and square and I felt proud and really enjoyed the lobbies at that rank.

 

[GA 52]

Yup I feel for you but don’t quit a race even got “undeserved” penalty. Just park the car and let the clock run.

Then you get DFN..... or is there a way to not getting disqualified. Only way I have seen if there is tire changes during the race. Just drive in sit there....

 

[xxxman1]

Then you get DFN..... or is there a way to not getting disqualified. Only way I have seen if there is tire changes during the race. Just drive in sit there....

O I did it a very long time ago. Didn’t aware the DFN function in game. Thanks for reminding me.

 

[fastone371]

Not being the best racer, having my SR and dR in the A-S range is just the dream. And that dream happened and oh it was so glorious.

Then, the few days I got one just had the worst of the worst races. Monza, Expressway, Mount Panorama. Both DR and SR went down to D. Ouch. Playing Dirty is no fun, so I tried my best to get back up. Luckily I've had the best of luck at ovals, (god I love ovals) and that's gotten both DR and SR back up to B. Hopefully I can get back on soon enough.

The penalties seem very unfair right now, I can only assume the higher DR rated car gets the bigger penalty or the least amount of justice. In the last week or more there have been at least a half dozen times that I was on the inside passing with almost a full car overlap and the guy on the outside turns down into me and I get a penalty, he doesnt. I have checked replays to make sure I am not drifting up and that my opponent is in fact turning in on me and they do. What gives? Why does someone get penalized for maintaining his racing line?

 

[Sven Jurgens]

The penalties seem very unfair right now, I can only assume the higher DR rated car gets the bigger penalty or the least amount of justice. In the last week or more there have been at least a half dozen times that I was on the inside passing with almost a full car overlap and the guy on the outside turns down into me and I get a penalty, he doesnt. I have checked replays to make sure I am not drifting up and that my opponent is in fact turning in on me and they do. What gives? Why does someone get penalized for maintaining his racing line?

After many races I can only conclude that the penalty system was designed by BMW drivers. If you flash your lights first, you have the right of way and any car must get out of the way. If you're DR.B you also have the right of way as BMW starts with B. A stands for arsehole so is always wrong. Yet to make it not too obvious the game will often tell you the other driver got a penalty (as well) and even show a flashing red sign above their car, only to laugh in your face at the finish when they have no penalty at all.

However PD gives you plenty opportunities to join the superior lower ranks of DR. Stop worrying about the bomb, embrace the DR reset, resistance is futile, the house always wins.

Here's one of those bonehead moves endorsed by the penalty system.

Lap 12, I've been following this DR.B driver for over 2 laps, him defending hard. So I aim for a faster corner exit to safely pass him on the straight. He goes wide, I take the inside line, apparently he needed fuel like I can read his mind. I get 10 sec penalty, SR Down, I serve it on the straight, he comes out of the pit 3 sec ahead of me, penalty scrubbed and his tank topped up.

Can't enter the next race, serve is undergoing maintenance. I guess I'll stay SR.B for another day.

Edit: The server fixed itself just before the entry deadline. Made it in, weird room of 15 with D/A on pole, me A/B in second and down to C/E in the line up. I finished in first 15 sec ahead, fastest lap, and jumped to SR.S in one race... I didn't overtake anyone, pole drove himself off in lap 2.

Everything wrong with the SR system in two races!

 

[fastone371]

After many races I can only conclude that the penalty system was designed by BMW drivers. If you flash your lights first, you have the right of way and any car must get out of the way. If you're DR.B you also have the right of way as BMW starts with B. A stands for arsehole so is always wrong. Yet to make it not too obvious the game will often tell you the other driver got a penalty (as well) and even show a flashing red sign above their car, only to laugh in your face at the finish when they have no penalty at all.

However PD gives you plenty opportunities to join the superior lower ranks of DR. Stop worrying about the bomb, embrace the DR reset, resistance is futile, the house always wins.

Here's one of those bonehead moves endorsed by the penalty system.

Lap 12, I've been following this DR.B driver for over 2 laps, him defending hard. So I aim for a faster corner exit to safely pass him on the straight. He goes wide, I take the inside line, apparently he needed fuel like I can read his mind. I get 10 sec penalty, SR Down, I serve it on the straight, he comes out of the pit 3 sec ahead of me, penalty scrubbed and his tank topped up.

Can't enter the next race, serve is undergoing maintenance. I guess I'll stay SR.B for another day.

Edit: The server fixed itself just before the entry deadline. Made it in, weird room of 15 with D/A on pole, me A/B in second and down to C/E in the line up. I finished in first 15 sec ahead, fastest lap, and jumped to SR.S in one race... I didn't overtake anyone, pole drove himself off in lap 2.

Everything wrong with the SR system in two races!

Dont you love moves like that? Do people not drive with radar on or what? I would prefer to use the roof cam for racing but it has no rearview mirror for some reason, I need to know what's behind me so I dont dont do crap like that. I'm a Dr B and still get penalties for every single touch, even when someone slides me into the wall so they dont ver passed. Time to start practicing my PIT manuvoure. My SR is bouncing between A and B, won from pole at Brands yesterday with clean race bonus, no SR down, never even touched so much as a blade of grass or grain of sand and only went from 43 to 63 SR

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Dont you love moves like that? Do people not drive with radar on or what? I would prefer to use the roof cam for racing but it has no rearview mirror for some reason, I need to know what's behind me so I dont dont do crap like that. I'm a Dr B and still get penalties for every single touch, even when someone slides me into the wall so they dont ver passed. Time to start practicing my PIT manuvoure. My SR is bouncing between A and B, won from pole at Brands yesterday with clean race bonus, no SR down, never even touched so much as a blade of grass or grain of sand and only went from 43 to 63 SR

Odd, I got 22 points without the clean race bonus from 63 to 85 in one race. I did not start on pole though and followed him for a bit, maybe that counts for something.

My two Brand's hatch races yesterday, +7 and +22 SR
8:00 PM Daily Race C Brands Hatch Grand Prix Circuit GR3 2 22 1 1
7:00 PM Daily Race C Brands Hatch Grand Prix Circuit GR3 2 7 6 -4

So that bonehead move cost 15 manner points, maybe more as I did a lot more close driving in that race. The second race I was alone up front for 90% of the race.

'Only' 20 points is part of the problem, You should not be able to gain 20% or more of the entire scale in one race, nor lose it all in one race. My max up was 53, half the scale, max down 88... Nor should a daily C give 4 times the points over a daily B, where that single bonehead move would have lost me 10 SR for the race. (There's no pit there of course, clipping a wreck for example)

Either raise the max from daily B and increase the scale to 1000, or reduce the SR hits and gains from daily C. The system is highly unstable now. Is it reasonable that these two players get put int he same races now and then?

First is a very active random player who obviously doesn't care at all about racing clean, second is me, also very active with plenty Bluemoon and Monza dips. After half a year PD could do better to determine SR instead of letting a single race have so much sway over the rating.

 

[Lord Protector]

Today I started up GTS after a month-long pause because I couldn’t handle the penalty system... I jumped right into Daily C race (Gr.2 @ Suzuka) and I managed to finish 2 races with swear words flying all over my place. 3rd race I didn’t finish because the guy in front of me was blocking me the whole 1st lap and in 2nd this happened:



Ridiculous. Oh and in the 1st race a guy behind me bumped into me so I bumped into car before me and he ran off track. I got 10 seconds penalty of course.

See you GTS, next month maybe.

 

[fastone371]

That 10 second penalty is ridiculous. You guys were racing and the last I have heard GTS is a racing game.

 

[GA 52]

That 10 second penalty is ridiculous. You guys were racing and the last I have heard GTS is a racing game.

It's getting worse ...... time to find something else... my blood-pressure needs to be lowered.....

 

[Pfoetiman]

🤬

 

[GA 52]

 

[ROCKET JOE]

@Pfoetiman

🤬 ... that fits like the fist on the eye !

 

[fastone371]

Nothing boils my blood like drivers behind you that do not understand that they need to brake for corners like T1 at Monza and T1 at Nurb GP. I get so tired of getting stuffed in the rearend by cars going 170MPH because they do not understand that they cannot take those corners at 160MPH. Same with drivers trying to pass going thru a chicane, do they really think that is a good idea and that they can pull off a clean pass there?? Same at the start of races when you have a guy behind that keeps hitting you, I know he can see the cars in front of me, does he think we will all ghost so he can just drive right thru??? Complete the first lap or first half lap clean then start racing, do not race into the first turn.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

I can't stand drivers that don't use a radar or simply don't care whether there is a car next to them. Dragontrail was not that bad today apart from this one race.

As usual DR.A gets punished extra.

I tried to stay out of it yet when one car turns in on you and you lose speed, the rest just keeps bump passing.

That's at SR 99, the cleanest drivers there are! Did I deserve to drop down to SR.A in one race? Most of the contact happens from 3:40 where I end up with 7 sec of penalties.

 

[Macboyilija]

After many races I can only conclude that the penalty system was designed by BMW drivers. If you flash your lights first, you have the right of way and any car must get out of the way. If you're DR.B you also have the right of way as BMW starts with B. A stands for arsehole so is always wrong. Yet to make it not too obvious the game will often tell you the other driver got a penalty (as well) and even show a flashing red sign above their car, only to laugh in your face at the finish when they have no penalty at all.

Love the way you write your posts

He goes wide, I take the inside line, apparently he needed fuel like I can read his mind.

Again. Not funny situations, but still funny to read. I dont know what some people think, but they are surely not thinking about you on the track.

 

[MisterMarcoo]

I enjoy the thrill of playing online, but I have some issues with SR and "riding dirty". Sometimes, other players just divebomb into you or they ram you off-track. We both get penalized which probably is fine, because it's a hard for a computer to figure out who's fault it was. I can understand that. But I don't know how many seconds the other player gets, so I'm not sure the "scores" are fair. I still think that's fine though.

But what I really see as a problem, and this is probably just because I'm a beginner and I'm still learning, is that people can slow down to lower their penalty.
For instance, I'm in 3rd place, but get rammed and a lose a couple positions. I get a 4sec penalty and the other player get some as well. Fine, it might be my fault, so that okay.
But that player is now in 3rd place and all he has to do is try to lower that penalty and he will have my place. But I'm in maybe 7th place and I can't afford to just slow down, I need to push it hard to try and get back to that spot.
So someone pushed me off track, I lose a few positions ánd I have a penalty. I have to drive like a mad man to get my position back, but even when I realise that, my penalty will push me back. In this situation I don't understand how I could lower my penalty.
I don't know how I should come back from situations like that.

My question is: wouldn't it be better if those penalties couldn't be erased by slowing down. Wouldn't it be a reason for people to stop divebombing, since they will get a penalty they cannot lose?

 

[ROCKET JOE]

I enjoy the thrill of playing online, but I have some issues with SR and "riding dirty". ...?

Penalty system, DR and SR and how they interact is quite a complicated thing. You'll surely learn with more experience and probably find your own strategies. As a quick shot ( there's exceptions to that ) on how to serve time penalties, I'd say :
Don't stop racing, go on until you see the checkered flag, move away from the racing line and slow down. Ideally your penalty is zero when you cross the finish line 👍.

 

[supervento]

I can't stand drivers that don't use a radar or simply don't care whether there is a car next to them. Dragontrail was not that bad today apart from this one race.

As usual DR.A gets punished extra.


I tried to stay out of it yet when one car turns in on you and you lose speed, the rest just keeps bump passing.

That's at SR 99, the cleanest drivers there are! Did I deserve to drop down to SR.A in one race? Most of the contact happens from 3:40 where I end up with 7 sec of penalties.

bad penalty

 

[NotThirdReich]

I just recently moved to my actual account, instead of using my brothers account. It was pretty sad because I lost some stuff, but whatever. So I began to race Gr.3 on Dragontrail using my Beetle. I'm not sure whether my SR went up or down, but a sad part while racing a race was that a viper while off the curb, and while I was taking the inside line, turned back onto the road and hit me. I guess I should have turned away or not taken the inside line. Whatever. I raced as clean as I could.

 

[fastone371]

I can't stand drivers that don't use a radar or simply don't care whether there is a car next to them. Dragontrail was not that bad today apart from this one race.

As usual DR.A gets punished extra.

I tried to stay out of it yet when one car turns in on you and you lose speed, the rest just keeps bump passing.

That's at SR 99, the cleanest drivers there are! Did I deserve to drop down to SR.A in one race? Most of the contact happens from 3:40 where I end up with 7 sec of penalties.

PD gets a huge F for the current penalty settings. First you get a 4 second penalty because someone cant control his car very well and broadsides you in the corner while you maintained your line perfectly and left way more than enough room for him to navigate the corner. The 2nd 3 second penalty is just as bad, Im not sure if you got that one for getting rearended or for using your rear bumper to make contact??? How does one even do that, this is not a summer fair demolition derby where everyone is driving backwards into everything that moves. This deal with the higher rated driver getting getting the bigger (or only) penalty also needs to end, no matter how high your driver level is you can not prevent others from driving into your car. What is PD thinking?? One thing PD needs to do is make it tougher to get an SR S rating and keep it. Since I quit worrying about my SR so much and started driving less defensively and getting grouped with SR A & B drivers I have discovered some of those lower SR ranks are cleaner races than SR S races. I have seen some pathetic driving in the SR S rankings recently.