*PETITION* Anti V1.07 patch

[stoney71]

I'm in.

I loved Gran Turismo 1 to 4 but this one turns out to be Grind Turismo. The gifting of expensive cars between friends and/or sub-accounts (including duping) made it a little bit easier to bear, and to take this feature away basically kills the game for me.

Gran Turismo used to be about the thrill of driving many different exclusive and exotic cars on many different exciting tracks. Now it's about driving the same races again and again and again to be able to afford at least some of the nice cars. For people with a job/life it is nearly impossible to enjoy any of the truly great cars in the game, because they have no time to:

1.) grind for credits all day to be able to afford the nice cars

2.) then rotate the UCD all day to actually find the nice cars to buy

If you would actually win desirable prize cars during your racing career this would ease the pain a bit, but no - most of the time you win some underpowered or ugly pile of **** you wouldn't want to be caught dead in IRL.

If winning the career races would actually pay enough to buy at least a handful of the exciting cars you bought the game disc for in the first place, that might soften the blow, but no - you barely make enough money to tune and maintain the few rust buckets the game throws up on you.

As I said on another page; By my calculations, if you were to Grind Indy for 40hrs. a week (most full time jobs work about this), it would take you about 2 months to be able to get enough credits to “buy” all the cars without “cheating”. That is only IF you could get the cars to come up in the UCD in the right order and didn’t upgrade or tune any of the cars. Who in their right mind would want to WORK that hard and long for a game instead of PLAYING the game and having fun? PLEASE FIX THIS, PD and most people will stop “cheating”.

I'M ALL IN !!!

 

[stoney71]

got to page 8 and couldnt be bothered to read the rest..

i have notice lots of people moaning on this site about gt5, moaning rarely gets you anywhere and if you dont like something, go about something else..

i dont care for dupes, but if this patch stops more a-holes from getting the x1 and keep ruining peoples games then im all for it... im fed up of going online and trying out some new purchases only to get my fun ruined by an idiot in an x1 who keeps bashing me or getting in my way(its not in the way like in racing, but purposely doing it) and putting me off and even when they not doing that, they always insist on using them in races with peeps who dont own or cant afford them which make onling racing very pointless...






There are MUCH better ways to fix this, but in the end it doesn't matter what car they are driving, YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID, so those people will be stupid for the rest of their life no matter what PD does.

 

[Xanonymous]

As I said on another page; By my calculations, if you were to Grind Indy for 40hrs. a week (most full time jobs work about this), it would take you about 2 months to be able to get enough credits to “buy” all the cars without “cheating”. That is only IF you could get the cars to come up in the UCD in the right order and didn’t upgrade or tune any of the cars. Who in their right mind would want to WORK that hard and long for a game instead of PLAYING the game and having fun? PLEASE FIX THIS, PD and most people will stop “cheating”.

I'M ALL IN !!!

The 1,031 cars in the game cost a grand total of about 491,000,000 credits. 811 (=79%) of the cars are standard models, which means they are only available as "used" cars through the UCD. To enjoy their full potential you'll need to do engine and body rebuilds for all used cars, which will cost you approximately 389,000,000 credits. Purchasing all tuning parts for all cars would come to total expenses of 393,000,000 credits. So getting all cars with all tuning parts comes to a grand total of about 1,273,000,000 credits.

With a payout of 70,000 credits the A-Spec Indy race in Like the Wind is indeed the "fastest" way to make money in GT5. With a Red Bull X2010 and rubberband-grinding the race can be done in about 4 minutes, which comes to about 1,000,000 credits per hour. Roughly every 20 hours you will have to stop grinding and spend 20,000,000 credits, as that is the maximum you are allowed to have at any given time in GT5. At this point you will also have to rotate the UCD for a couple of hours to actually find cars to buy that you don't already own.

Consequently, even if you quit your job, leave your family, and spend all your time with GT5, it would take at least 64 days of non-stop 24-hours-per-day rubberband-grinding (earning credits) and UCD-rotation-grinding (finding cars) to get all the cars.

Of course, this only works if you have an X2010. Which you won't have, thanks to the gifting limit. Getting it requires another 20 days of 24/7 grinding, btw. Oh, what joy GT5 brings...

 

[jedi09]

You don't need every car in the game... chose some that you must have and go from there.

 

[Kevalin Pillay]

I'm in.

 

[DMoss84]

you don't need every car in the game... Chose some that you must have and go from there.

x2.

 

[sfrench]

I'm in

 

[prathan_w]

I'm in too!

 

[EddieExplosion]

The 1,031 cars in the game cost a grand total of about 491,000,000 credits. 811 (=79%) of the cars are standard models, which means they are only available as "used" cars through the UCD. To enjoy their full potential you'll need to do engine and body rebuilds for all used cars, which will cost you approximately 389,000,000 credits. Purchasing all tuning parts for all cars would come to total expenses of 393,000,000 credits. So getting all cars with all tuning parts comes to a grand total of about 1,273,000,000 credits.

With a payout of 70,000 credits the A-Spec Indy race in Like the Wind is indeed the "fastest" way to make money in GT5. With a Red Bull X2010 and rubberband-grinding the race can be done in about 4 minutes, which comes to about 1,000,000 credits per hour. Roughly every 20 hours you will have to stop grinding and spend 20,000,000 credits, as that is the maximum you are allowed to have at any given time in GT5. At this point you will also have to rotate the UCD for a couple of hours to actually find cars to buy that you don't already own.

Consequently, even if you quit your job, leave your family, and spend all your time with GT5, it would take at least 64 days of non-stop 24-hours-per-day rubberband-grinding (earning credits) and UCD-rotation-grinding (finding cars) to get all the cars.

Of course, this only works if you have an X2010. Which you won't have, thanks to the gifting limit. Getting it requires another 20 days of 24/7 grinding, btw. Oh, what joy GT5 brings...

Eh, you do realise there is no one forcing you to play the game in this way. It's your choice dude.

If we follow your logic, which seems to be based around some bizarre need to own all the cars in the game as fast a possible, then you should really take your calculations a step further and factor in that you would need to then race every car in the game at least 5 times on a variety of tracks to really get a feel for the car you are so desperate to own. Lets say that on average a race is 5 laps long at 3 minutes per lap. That is 1,031 x 15 minutes.

Jeez, just learn to appreciate the racing or save yourself at lot of hassle and don't play at all. By placing your own bizarre restrictions on how you play the game you are only ruining the enjoyment for yourself.

 

[KrazyM82]

Eh, you do realise there is no one forcing you to play the game in this way. It's your choice dude.

If we follow your logic, which seems to be based around some bizarre need to own all the cars in the game as fast a possible, then you should really take your calculations a step further and factor in that you would need to then race every car in the game at least 5 times on a variety of tracks to really get a feel for the car you are so desperate to own. Lets say that on average a race is 5 laps long at 3 minutes per lap. That is 1,031 x 15 minutes.

Jeez, just learn to appreciate the racing or save yourself at lot of hassle and don't play at all. By placing your own bizarre restrictions on how you play the game you are only ruining the enjoyment for yourself.

Just a simple "I'm in" will be enough. There are enough other topics where you can discuss this patch further. So please, keep this petition to the petition-signers.

*Fixed:

Sphinx(= super moderator)

It's simple. As from now If you don't want to sign, don't post unless you want a holiday away from GTP.

 

[EddieExplosion]

Just a simple "I'm in" will be enough. There are enough other topics where you can discuss this patch further. So please, keep this petition to the petition-signers.

*Fixed:

Sphinx(= super moderator)

It's simple. As from now If you don't want to sign, don't post unless you want a holiday away from GTP.

I was simply responding to another post which didn't have any mention of the 'I'm in' which you state is all that's required to be posted. If the poster hadn't made such a flawed initial post I wouldn't have been compelled to put forward a counter argument. Or are you allowed to post whatever you like as long as it is in agreement of the petition? Would be nice to have some consistency.

 

[stoney71]

Just a simple "I'm in" will be enough. There are enough other topics where you can discuss this patch further. So please, keep this petition to the petition-signers.

*Fixed:

Sphinx(= super moderator)

It's simple. As from now If you don't want to sign, don't post unless you want a holiday away from GTP.

Point noted, I just want the trading restrictions lifted and got a little carried away.

I'm in !!!

 

[HOODFIELD]

I'm in.

 

[veryferry]

You don't need every car in the game... chose some that you must have and go from there.

Ah...someone who thinks he knows what I need.


Some people here (i.e. me) like to collect every car possible, and the trading option was perfect for that. Now that they limited the trading possibilities, it's pretty boring to still go and try to collect every car.

Seriously...how can people not understand?

 

[jedi09]

Ah...someone who thinks he knows what I need.


Some people here (i.e. me) like to collect every car possible, and the trading option was perfect for that. Now that they limited the trading possibilities, it's pretty boring to still go and try to collect every car.

Seriously...how can people not understand?

Don't take my response personal, I don't know you. That being said, the problem is that people were not "trading" they were duping... How else would you be able to "trade" and still have every car if you just gave a car away to obtain another. Can't have your cake and eat it too. Bang that against a brick wall...

 

[Millgate1]

I don't think they should get rid of the limit but instead higher it..to about 10 million? which would get rid of the duping of x1s,historic cars or F1s..

 

[veryferry]

Don't take my response personal, I don't know you. That being said, the problem is that people were not "trading" they were duping... How else would you be able to "trade" and still have every car if you just gave a car away to obtain another.

So what, who cares?

 

[Dazi]

boring...

 

[EddieExplosion]

So what, who cares?

Hmmmm, who cares. Let me think for a moment. Oh yeah, only the developers of the game who put the restrictions in place. And that my friend is what makes this whole argument redundent. it doesn't matter what you or I think, the game is the game, like it or lump it.

 

[veryferry]

Hmmmm, who cares. Let me think for a moment. Oh yeah, only the developers of the game who put the restrictions in place. And that my friend is what makes this whole argument redundent. it doesn't matter what you or I think, the game is the game, like it or lump it.

Let me rephrase:

Why would someone care?

 

[JustBecauz]

im in. Sick of grinding, Polophony must realise that they have made a mistake if peopel have to go to this level to get cash to do cars. THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH WELL PAID EVENTS TO GET THE CARS WE WANT!

 

[BlackIce90]

3 words...... LET IT GO!!

 

[veryferry]

3 words...... LET IT GO!!

1 word...... NO!!

 

[fabiano260678]

**** Extending the life of the product *** !!!
PD can only be kidding me ... what about adding more race events with decent prizes ... this would indeed extend the life of the product.
For me the only thing this update did was to reduce my playtime and increase my frustration ... I will not grind 14 mio to buy a Chaparral 2J to win a 35 000 credit event, I have also reduced my collection plans because grinding is now out of my plans ...
For the moment I am back to Dirt 2 ... and in two week shift 2 is on the horizon ...

 

[MX5MaN]

I'm in!!!

I lost my Toyota 7 race car I lend to a friend of mine due to this stupid patch! I'd like to have my car back and being able to share cars with friends!
They could have warned people when implementing this patch. Taking away something without even warning your community isn't really fair.
I presume some guys even aren't duping or trading but just helping their friends, that's what I call an advantage of a community, where you can enjoy a game together and help each other!

 

[Drevenger]

theres a rumor that apparently you can trade twice a day but ppl are keeping it for themselves.

I'm searching for facts right now but i don't want to get screwed. lol

so if any1 got info, that be appreciated.

 

[Goudvis]

I'm in!!!

I lost my Toyota 7 race car I lend to a friend of mine due to this stupid patch! I'd like to have my car back and being able to share cars with friends!
They could have warned people when implementing this patch. Taking away something without even warning your community isn't really fair.
I presume some guys even aren't duping or trading but just helping their friends, that's what I call an advantage of a community, where you can enjoy a game together and help each other!

they gave enough time to get cars back. There was a transition period.

There's an option to share 6 cars now. That's helping each other

 

[veryferry]

they gave enough time to get cars back. There was a transition period.

There's an option to share 6 cars now. That's helping each other

That's not helping us collectors very much, is it?

 

[stadti]

they gave enough time to get cars back. There was a transition period.

There's an option to share 6 cars now. That's helping each other

What PD did to this game would be the same as Blizzard would change the currency in WoW over night from gold to <insert something you like> (i.e. bulls**t) over night. Then they realized that this might have been a mistake not to tell the community in advance, so giving them a "time to react" of what? 3 days? 6 days? I don't know because I had no time to play and when I started GT5 after the update I had 24 hours left to hand back 5 cars I've lent. So how to gift back 5 cars in 24 hours????? With the restriction of 1 car per ps3 per day??

 

[daveygtheone]

I'm in.