Photo GT5 prologue VS Forza 3 Demo

[Tenacious D]

I think whoever did this comparison screwed up with GT5P images, they are simply not sharp enough, just look at the on screen numbers and compare.

Anyway, car modelling, both interior and exterior is far superior in GT5P. Scenery is less detailed in GT yet the game gives a much more realistic feel than Forza3. Forza3 looks cartoony.

That's my judgment too. The road in the F3 demo looks unnatural. It won't reflect much light at all. Driving home from work a while ago, the road glare was blinding as I drove towards the sun. And check out any Shift videos to see road reflections. They look almost like racing film on Youtube.

Forza looks like a really well done video game, but Prologue resembles real life.

By the way, I own Enthusia, and I think it's mooked up.

 

[The Vanishing Boy]

-> I honestly didn't like the drivers view in Forza to be honest. These views are way too close for a perspective view with its landscape. Here is what I mean with real cars. Somehow my first batch of pics replicate to those in Forza 3. The distance between my head and the camera is 6 inches low-forward (I have to because I'm driving, duh). I'll take more pics later on:

- On the 1998 Odyssey:

- On the 2004 S2000:

^ As you may see here (especially on the last pic) that the shots seems to be lower (given that I'm 6'3), and closer (the camera is not set on full pan mode). I will try to replicate my shots on an eye-level (aka. camera shoved in to my face).

 

[IsmokeGT]

I mean there is video evidence.

You haven't played either game

Nobody has played the final version of GT5, so dont talk crap to earth if the same can be said about the guy that started the debate.

 

[Kryz11]

BD does not give better graphics than DVD - that is entirely down to the systems and the programmers. You can just get more data on a BD compared to a DVD.

i thought it was confirmed that BD signal or that laser can also give bit more crisp signal or look over DVD laser.. maybe its for unscaled stuff?
But yeah even on DVD you can code HD graphics but requires space which DVD does not have!

 

[Seismica]

I don't think a multi-disc racer would work... either you would have to install lots of crap on your console, or the developers must be careful about what they put on each disc. I wouldn't want to be switching everytime i want to race on a different track, or switch cars etc.

 

[skingg]

Hit the nail on the head, GT5 is not finished.

Forza fanboys are saying how their physics are better than GT5P. To some extent i agree with them, i have played the Demo. But the actual driving physics seem arcadish, i can't put my finger on it, its too alike Forza 2. The collision physics are a hell of a lot better than prologue, but then again, looking at the new demos for GT5, i'm not so sure they will have the high ground on that either. Also, roll-overs in GT5 are confirmed, we just havn't seen what they are like yet, it could be really good.

I have a feeling roll-overs are perhaps only limited to WRC cars/races.

 

[McLaren]

Nobody has played the final version of GT5, so dont talk crap to earth if the same can be said about the guy that started the debate.

We're not talking about GT5, we're talking about GT5, genius. And last I checked, I had that in my PS3.

 

[Seismica]

We're not talking about GT5, we're talking about GT5, genius. And last I checked, I had that in my PS3.

I think someone mentioned crappy collision physics, so someone pointed out that they have changed since prologue's release 2 years ago, hence why they mentioned GT5

 

[IsmokeGT]

We're not talking about GT5, we're talking about GT5, genius. And last I checked, I had that in my PS3.

I said the guy who started the debate. He hasnt played GT5p yet, he doesnt have a PS3. So how can he compare GT5p to Forza?

But that isnt my point, Ill spell it out for you. He commented on GT5 collision physics. Earth commented on enthusia physics. You said you havent played it so you cant comment. Hince, I said nobody has played GT5.

I am a genius, comparatively.

 

[Tenacious D]

What you see in a video game other than streaming video has nothing to do with the bit depth of DVD over Blu-Ray. It's just game and model code. The resolution of the game code and the game engine is what determines how good the graphics are. For some time, multiplat games for the 360 and PS3 looked a little better because it was coded for the 360 and just ported to the PS3 with very little optimization for the Cell and RSX. Today, things are much different, and most games look pretty much the same, and yet both come from DVD and Blu-ray discs. It's all about the programmers and artists, and how much they want to use the technology.

GT5 may look good, but does it actually play good?

Short answer: yes. Long answer:

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.

But seriously, FW3 feels like a Forza game, which is okay. Prologue feels like a GT game that had input from 10tacle (GTR) or the Live For Speed team. It feels rather like the PC sims I own. Mostly I want Forza 3 because I like to create race cars.

 

[McLaren]

I said the guy who started the debate. He hasnt played GT5p yet, he doesnt have a PS3. So how can he compare GT5p to Forza?

I am a genius, comparatively.

But I'm not talking to that guy.
Earth believes Enthusia & FM3's demo physics don't compare to GT5, yet he hasn't played either game, so his opinion is based upon nothing but sheer ignorance, much like most of his posts lately.

Here, let me spell it out for you by showing Earth's post.

There's alot of people now who say the Forza 3 demo has better physics then GT5P

I wouldn't pay much attention to them, there's also the crowd who thinks Enthusia has better physics then GT5P.

He's not talking about collision physics, he's saying that anyone who believesthat the FM3 demo's & Enthusia's physics are better than GT5 should not be listened to. Which is ironic, because he hasn't touched FM3 or Enthusia to begin with, so his opinion is worthless.

 

[Earth]

I have a feeling roll-overs are perhaps only limited to WRC cars/races.

And not NASCAR?



I think rollover may be limited to racecars, not just WRC. I've seen some videos of FM3 rollover and it appears the roof is never damaged which I'm sure manufacturers don't want. We'll see though.

We're not talking about GT5, we're talking about GT5, genius. And last I checked, I had that in my PS3.

Wow McLaren, you really have been raging lately. If you can't stand anything negative being said about Forza then your in the wrong thread. Turn 10 loudmouthed Kaz and GT boasting they were the end-all simulation of this generation. We're just calling them out

 

[Devedander]

While I think both games look great, I gotta say it again, when it comes to cars, PD nails pretty like no one else so far...

 

[McLaren]

Wow McLaren, you really have been raging lately. If you can't stand anything negative being said about Forza then your in the wrong thread. Turn 10 loudmouthed Kaz and GT boasting they were the end-all simulation of this generation. We're just calling them out

And once again, you take the discussion in another direction.

You're not calling them out, you're being a whiny-ass cry baby over GT & now are constantly putting down Forza features, unless GT then reveals them. You constantly spew this horse crap about Forza, how it's not realistic, how it's physics can't be compared to GT. You just make yourself look more & more foolish with every post you make.

You think GT shouldn't have rewind, you think it shouldn't have livery editors. You pretty much, have the most ass backwards logic of any person in the entire GT forum. You can't present any argument, and this is the 2nd time you avoid my questions & try to bring up something else.

So, let's set the record straight. I'm only replying to your posts lately because everything you say, every little word against Forza isn't a logical opinion, it's you being another unwanted fanboy putting down Forza. We know this because now you believe Forza 3's physics aren't as good as GT5's. You've never played Forza 3's demo, and believe you don't have to.

But your backwards logic, I think Gran Turismo 5 physics are worse than GTR2's, and I don't have to play GT5 to "know" this. This is exactly what you're saying, except with Forza 3 & GT5. So, do us a favor, and keep such opinions in your head.

 

[Tenacious D]

Well, just to take a step out of the lava for a moment, this shows off both games fairly well.

GT5 Prologue and Fiorza 3 demo side by side in high res.

 

[Devedander]

You think GT shouldn't have rewind, you think it shouldn't have livery editors. You pretty much, have the most ass backwards logic of any person in the entire GT forum.

In all seriousness, Earth reminds me of that old guy who always says "Screw that! We didn't have that when I was a kid and look I turned out just fine! All that's gonna do is make you a panzy little princess!" to any and everything new

 

[Earth]

And once again, you take the discussion in another direction.

You're not calling them out, you're being a whiny-ass cry baby over GT & now are constantly putting down Forza features, unless GT then reveals them. You constantly spew this horse crap about Forza, how it's not realistic, how it's physics can't be compared to GT. You just make yourself look more & more foolish with every post you make.

I apologize if I offended you. Just exercising my freedom of speech.

You think GT shouldn't have rewind, you think it shouldn't have livery editors. You pretty much, have the most ass backwards logic of any person in the entire GT forum. You can't present any argument, and this is the 2nd time you avoid my questions & try to bring up something else.

Ouch, that's really tough McLaren. I just try to give my opinion on things, sorry that you hate my opinion.

So, let's set the record straight. I'm only replying to your posts lately because everything you say, every little word against Forza isn't a logical opinion, it's you being another unwanted fanboy putting down Forza. We know this because now you believe Forza 3's physics aren't as good as GT5's. You've never played Forza 3's demo, and believe you don't have to.

Now that's not true. Not all my posts have been bashing Forza.

But your backwards logic, I think Gran Turismo 5 physics are worse than GTR2's, and I don't have to play GT5 to "know" this. This is exactly what you're saying, except with Forza 3 & GT5. So, do us a favor, and keep such opinions in your head.

Sometimes you have to go backwards to go forward. That's one of life's lessons. Take it to heart.

I think that your just having a hard time understanding me because alot of what you said is totally wrong

 

[LOonIE]

Forza 3: best looking Landscape.
Gt5: Best looking Car Modeling.

👍 That's exactly what I thought.

Both games look really good.

 

[McLaren]

Ouch, that's really tough McLaren. I just try to give my opinion on things, sorry that you hate my opinion.

It's not an opinion. It's ignorance.

You've gone around touting along the lines of, "What I say is final!"

I think that your just having a hard time understanding me because alot of what you said is totally wrong

Nothing I have said has been wrong. I'm not the only person on this forum who is trying to figure out how you come to your opinions. Joey has, Dev has, even Exorcet has. But everytime we do, you bring forth another argument that sometimes, has nothing to do with what was said.

Look back at what you've said. You think the livery editor will be abused & shouldn't be in GT. You think rewinding is cheating, yet B-Specing is completely different. You believe you know what game has the more realistic physics, and that you are excerpt from playing said games to come to those "opinions". You have even, by some un-forsaken action, brought up Halo fanboys in regards to a review about Forza 3's demo....

The only thing I continue to be baffled at is how you of all people come to such ideas. You've been better than this in the past, but your posts as of lately have been equal to that of the posters at FM.net & that's NOT a good thing if I have to bring that up, as I detest most of those people. Someone has already said the revealing of GT's release date has shown your true colors, and while I tried to believe that wasn't true, you've been proving me wrong over & over these past few days.

To be quite honest, your posts are ones I expect from some of these new people, not long time members.👎

 

[IsmokeGT]

I still dont understand how one person gets bashed for criticising enthusia because they havent played it, but another guy that does the same thing to GT5 and GT5p is excused from the prosecution. Then, someone points out the injustice, and the prosecutor is lost like a baby elephant in a sand storm.

 

[McLaren]

I still dont understand how one person gets bashed for criticising enthusia because they havent played it, but another guy that does the same thing to GT5 and GT5p is excused from the prosecution. Then, someone points out the injustice, and the prosecutor is lost like a baby elephant in a sand storm.

Ok, since you can't get off the fact that I'm talking to just Earth, who is this other guy then?

Because forgive me if I fly past the 1 Forza fanboy in a sea of GT ones.

 

[JakeCourtney]

Because you have been hit in a WRC car before?

When you give such nonsense answers your credibilty is worthless. You have an absolute right to an opinion, but with such a biased opinion you also have to explain yourself in a way that at least conveys your point of view in a way that makes sense. "Isnt quite right" doesnt covey your point of view in a sensical manner. Since you have failed to do this your opinion is not valid.

BTW, I can go to Wally world and buy 3 120gb PS3s right now.

Yeah, so can I, but I don't want to spend over $300 on a PS3 since they kind of have limited games that I want. I ordered from Dell.com when they had it $30 off with free shipping. That combined with not having to pay sales tax equals a PS3 for only $269.

I can wait for it also cause it's worth next to nothing now as GT5 isn't even coming out anytime soon.

 

[Joel]

GT5 is miles ahead, however i do like the head position of the cockpit in Forza 3 better.

 

[Devedander]

i thought it was confirmed that BD signal or that laser can also give bit more crisp signal or look over DVD laser.. maybe its for unscaled stuff?
But yeah even on DVD you can code HD graphics but requires space which DVD does not have!

On blu ray the 1's are taller and the 0's are rounder

I don't think a multi-disc racer would work... either you would have to install lots of crap on your console, or the developers must be careful about what they put on each disc. I wouldn't want to be switching everytime i want to race on a different track, or switch cars etc.

I dunno... I think it could be done well... we should see if PD could do it well, if anyone could they could... I mean... well just look at how well they did with GT2

 

[IsmokeGT]

Sweet deal. Was it a slim 120gb?

 

[Devedander]

Yeah, so can I, but I don't want to spend over $300 on a PS3 since they kind of have limited games that I want. I ordered from Dell.com when they had it $30 off with free shipping. That combined with not having to pay sales tax equals a PS3 for only $269.

Did you get Bing cashback and the $50 rebate?

 

[JakeCourtney]

Sweet deal. Was it a slim 120gb?

It was a sweet deal if it wasn't for the fact Dell has them on back order now. I placed the order on the 14th, and they gave me an estimated delivery on or before October 1st. Now yesterday they updated the delivery estimate again and now it's saying 10/22/09.

So yeah, I'm saving money, but I'm not getting it any time soon it looks like. Which I don't understand cause it seems to be in stock everywhere else. I bought a copy of GT5P off ebay for $12 shipped and it's here already.

Oh, and I decided to buy a 1-year extended warranty for $27. Was that a smart move or should I have just avoided spending that?

 

[Sele1981]

Wow 2 taff FM fanboys getting this thread very grown... This war will never end... Still not when we are in the year 2029 and there is FM15 Vs. GT8...

 

[Seismica]

I dunno... I think it could be done well... we should see if PD could do it well, if anyone could they could... I mean... well just look at how well they did with GT2

Ah GT2... Forgot about that, partly because i think that the Arcade disk was pointless (hence me not realising it was 2-disc), and also because my Gran Turismo mode disc got a scratch on it when i dropped the case, making it unplayable

They've probably thought it through though, Turn10 may be a lot of things, but they're not stupid, and they do put effort into making their games.

Wow 2 taff FM fanboys getting this thread very grown... This war will never end... Still not when we are in the year 2029 and there is FM15 Vs. GT8...

Surely it won't come to that. Following the current pattern of GT development;

GT1, GT2, GT3, GT4, GT5
1997, 1999, 2001, 2004, 2010...
2 years, 2 years, 3 years, 6 years

If i extrapolate/estimate the future release dates... (considering there is no real pattern, bear with me)

GT6, GT7, GT8
2016, 2022, 2029
6 years, 6 years, 7 years

Oh... wait... Great success!

 

[IsmokeGT]

Oh, and I decided to buy a 1-year extended warranty for $27. Was that a smart move or should I have just avoided spending that?

Very smart, especially since you saved the 30 bucks. I love my PS3 but they are less than reliable. Mine has been rebuilt once, while under warranty thankfully.

For about 6 months I had a nice quiet PS3... because the fan never came on! Who knew? Now it is so loud I have to turn the TV up to compensate for all the noise it makes.