PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE Let me adjust suspension and diff!!!!

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The Mclaren and 458 should have better stock setups, because they are extremely difficult to drive fast. If you play Assetto Corsa you really have no option but to fully setup but once you do the Mclaren is thuggin excellent. PD are just being lazy in this regard as it's easier just to add/remove power and weight. However custom setups would create too much imbalance. I have some idea how to setup but with Gt Sport, like most people I have no interest and don't want that to happen
 
Venster
Tuning won’t solve anything, all it will do is create a new meta. The lambo for example is an absolute rocket down the straights now, if that was tuned to handle easier as well it would immediately be the meta.

What’s the point in tuning if someone posts the tune, we all end up with the same one anyway. And the faster guys just post faster times, doesn’t close any gaps.
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It's a rocket down the straights because it's power is cranked up to compensate for it's awful handling in low speed corners. The 458 is the same. Neither car would need to be cranked up if their set ups were better to begin with.

The point is, obviously, that since a year has passed and those cars are not much closer to being useful for tracks with low speed corners, something needs to happen to bring them up to snuff. The NSX, RCZ, 4C...they are fine. Loose, but fine. The McLaren, 458, and Huracan are fine for the first half of the track (Catalunya), then they become abysmal.
 
It'd be great if PD could at least implement a trial run where certain tuning categories were unlocked (suspension, etc.) for Sport Mode races to see how the community would fare. A lot of people are pretty dismissive of tuning on the GTS forum. And even if the tuning is restricted to lock out power/weight/transmission - a pretty major compromise that pro-tuners have repeatedly offered - players are still against it. A trial run of 7-14 days could help determine whether or not it's a viable option. At least that's my take on it.
 
Pigems
In theory a Good driver can get the best(or near it) out of just about any setup.
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Yes, true, but when the setup is the handicap of a car, that's simply not right. I am fine with even adjusting the diff alone.

The top ten are in the low 1:45's

My times, with most of the cars, are in the mid to high 1:46's (my current best is 1;46.6 with the WRX). With everything I have tried so far, I can get close to my top time (1:46.7-1:46.9 with some left on the table).

The Mclaren, Ferrari, and Lamborghini can hang with all the cars until the last sector. I am losing a second, and then some. Given that they also have a fuel economy disadvantage, it seems to me that something is far from being balanced with them. As an example, my NSX time is currently 1:46.9, and I am confident that I can get a 1:46.8. In the race, I can keep pace with the better handling cars. At pit stop time, at the end of lap 6, I can have between 4.3 and 4.7 laps of fuel still to go, which makes for a very fast stop. The same can be said for the RCZ and the 4C, the latter being outright fast as well.

So fine, I will concede that I don't NEEEEEEED to tune all the cars, but those three in particular seem to be busted. They don't seem to have any real upside to them. So, what I am saying, is that if PD won't address them, give us a shot. I would be happy either way.

Satomiblood
It'd be great if PD could at least implement a trial run where certain tuning categories were unlocked (suspension, etc.) for Sport Mode races to see how the community would fare. A lot of people are pretty dismissive of tuning on the GTS forum. And even if the tuning is restricted to lock out power/weight/transmission - a pretty major compromise that pro-tuners have repeatedly offered - players are still against it. A trial run of 7-14 days could help determine whether or not it's a viable option. At least that's my take on it.
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Agreed. They've given tire options a shot and that hasn't caused the world to collapse. Give Diff adjustment a shot first, then suspension. If it's bad, shut it back off.
 
Satomiblood
It'd be great if PD could at least implement a trial run where certain tuning categories were unlocked (suspension, etc.) for Sport Mode races to see how the community would fare. A lot of people are pretty dismissive of tuning on the GTS forum. And even if the tuning is restricted to lock out power/weight/transmission - a pretty major compromise that pro-tuners have repeatedly offered - players are still against it. A trial run of 7-14 days could help determine whether or not it's a viable option. At least that's my take on it.
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If I remember correctly, there was a GR1 FIA race with open tuning. When @Tidgney went through the points for the rounds, that was the one round that a lot of people didn't participate in.

I could be wrong though.
 
Pigems
In theory a Good driver can get the best(or near it) out of just about any setup.
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I'd kinda agree with you that a good driver can. Although in my experience taking part in the wrs for a couple of years and a year in a gt500 series with tuning. When people can tune not only do they get the car to go faster but make it more suited to their style and drive more consistently.
 
I would most likely stop driving sport mode if full tuning was implemented.
Thing is I am sure if you gave a driver like say IOF any of those cars he’d get the times.
So, the cars can do it.
Really, isn’t this whole thread a way of saying something like I want to drive a car that is super fast and super easy to drive so that I can dominate sport mode?
Further, race pace is diff from qual. I have beaten an awful lot of Porsche 911gt3 these last couple weeks, and haven’t been overtaken by one.
There’s strategy that can be used by power cars. Make things more of a drag race on every exit and hold a nice race line. Use torque to stave off wheel spin and conserve fuel.
Imo Catalunya is a more balanced track than it seems.
For the mr cars, you don’t want them to all be on rails and easy to drive. Those cars rotate. It takes a lot of time getting to know a race car. You can’t just hop in spin or slide too much a few times and write them off.
 
monkeywall
I'd kinda agree with you that a good driver can. Although in my experience taking part in the wrs for a couple of years and a year in a gt500 series with tuning. When people can tune not only do they get the car to go faster but make it more suited to their style and drive more consistently.
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Oh you can totally get more out of a car by tuning it, there’s no question there. I just meant a good driver can get the most(or close to it) out of the “stock” tuning or the BoP tuning is all. A car tuned to your personal driving style will always be faster for you though. :)
 
Groundfish
Really, isn’t this whole thread a way of saying something like I want to drive a car that is super fast and super easy to drive so that I can dominate sport mode?
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Quite the opposite. I can drive the super fast cars now and dominate. I can consistently finish in the top 5, with a podium being the most common for me so far this week.

I am seeking to get the cars with slower lap times to be competitive as well.

Mr616
Now diff tuning I could say yes to. There are only 3 things to change, and it can be easily understood with little time to work out the effects of each part and can drastically change the drive-ability of a car on corner entry, exit and power application. This in conjunction with better stock tunes would solve most issues without breaking BOP.
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I am quoting this a second time because I feel it's the best compromise. A little better setup behind the scenes, and then allow us to play with the diff. That would allow people to tweak cars so that there isn't such a META standout each week.
 
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Voodoo

Maybe you could post a video showing specifically what the cars do that you want to change.
Like show a section with each.
 
Would it hurt if tuning was allowed just every now and then? For example, this week it's prohibited, next week it's allowed, next next week it's prohibited again etc., because I really do think that being unable to tune your car to fit your driving style is quite silly, especially in the case of ESports. I agree that it doesn't make sense, IRL racing teams during practice and qualifying sessions spend a crapload of time, effort and money fine-tuning their vehicles to be as precise as possible come race day, and so this should also be an option in-game. If tuning was alternated between weeks or even between events on the same week, I think that would keep both sides happy and bring back interest in Sport Mode more for a lot of people, potentially increasing the playerbase.
 
Skygrasper550
Would it hurt if tuning was allowed just every now and then? For example, this week it's prohibited, next week it's allowed, next next week it's prohibited again etc., because I really do think that being unable to tune your car to fit your driving style is quite silly, especially in the case of ESports. I agree that it doesn't make sense, IRL racing teams during practice and qualifying sessions spend a crapload of time, effort and money fine-tuning their vehicles to be as precise as possible come race day, and so this should also be an option in-game. If tuning was alternated between weeks or even between events on the same week, I think that would keep both sides happy and bring back interest in Sport Mode more for a lot of people, potentially increasing the playerbase.
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Yeah, that's a pretty good suggestion, or perhaps adding a 4th weekly race with tuning enabled.
 
Oh man, the endless discussion...
People who dont want to tune argue with the "unfair advantage" "I dont have time to tune" etc. phrases and the other side just wants to have a deeper game with more options.

I dont know why it is so hard to accept that tuning belongs to racing! In fact, its the most important aspect of racing and for games like GT or PC it NEEDS to be enabled. End of discussion :P
 
bmxmitch
Oh man, the endless discussion...
People who dont want to tune argue with the "unfair advantage" "I dont have time to tune" etc. phrases and the other side just wants to have a deeper game with more options.

I dont know why it is so hard to accept that tuning belongs to racing! In fact, its the most important aspect of racing and for games like GT or PC it NEEDS to be enabled. End of discussion :P
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For tuning to be added into the game they have to make the tuning system much easier to use. You would need to be able to go onto website (or in game) and download 'tunes' like you do the liveries. You would need to be able to rank up/down various tunes so it is quick and easy for someone to get a new tune and know that it is decent. Maybe even have the top couple of 'tunes' automatically download into the game and then you would have the choice from the drop down menu in the car info.

After that you would be able to adjust the tune as you liked, but from a good base.

As it is at the moment the tuning part of the game requires a lot of knowledge, and as such the un-educated (like me) will prefer standardised tunes as it means we can just hop into a race and be somewhat competitive, while with tuning on we could be seconds off the pace no matter how well we are driving.

I tend to think they should simple have a tuners race or championship. Drop it in as a longer race (say 55 minutes) and then you will get people who want and people who want a more endurance style race.
 
Golden Steel
I love how no matter the topic of discussion on this forum, there will always be a PD fan that shows up and tells you that you suck at driving and they're better than you.
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There there. Have a pat on the head from me.
 
I quit Sport Mode because when I started playing in lobbies where tuning was allowed I could finally race with a car that was in line with my driving style and not with a default driving style that could favour the aliens or particular people.

ARTAsean
PD should allow tuning just so OP can come to the realization that he just can't drive MR cars, and he's got an awfully big crutch ... which is blaming the stock tune.
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You can't drive an MR (you can't with all cars in general tbh) without force feedback, and the F1 is terrible because you can't feel the limit because there's no force feedback. So maybe it's not entirely his fault.
 
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Actually the learning how to tune or what adjustments have what effects is no different than a new to racing driver needing to learn proper racing lines, braking and acceleration points, allowable track limits and where the physics limits are concerning traction and so forth.

Tuning is just a different aspect of the racing discipline that affects the cars ability to go fast around the race track.
A driver does not feel the need to be limited to use someone elses lines or braking points but prefers to use on the designated circuit he is racing what works best for him and his driving style.

Same applies to tuning, a default tune is just a car set up by someone else and being forced to use such is equivalent to being forced to have to use a preset driving line around the track while just using your braking and acceleration points.

As far as ridiculous set ups being used to gain an advantage that is not the fault of tuning but the fault of the devs for not properly coding and inputting what an adjustment does to a car in a real world similar set up.

Even BoP cars in the real world racing classes are allowed to change set ups with class limited variances and most do not include aero or ride height changes or transmission gearing changes. Many will allow final rear gearing changes with limitations as to the extremes allowed in ratio's to use.

As far as saying that tuning makes it not fair and takes away from the driving aspect the only way that holds water would be in one make races with no fuel, tire wear or adjustable aids such as tcs, abs, brake balance or ANY VARIABLE which affect the cars driveability or handling, braking or acceleration.

Any multi make model races already have unfair advantages as a result of car used and the circuit driven on.

Tuning with real life equivalent results makes races unfair is BS. Races with tire wear where a spin out on asphalt does not immediately flat spot and ruin a set of tires is much more of a BS unrealistic and unfair to the driver that does not spin. Races where the driver is constant banging the engine over the rev limiter on both up shifts and down shifts and does not incur the possibility of a damaged or blown engine is unrealistic BS.

Those against tuning just do not know how to tune or do not want to learn or do not want to spend the time tuning or are scared someone will beat them as they are better in a different aspect of the game. Be honest at least.

TUNING IS A PART OF THE INCLUDED GAME EVERYBODY BOUGHT AFTER ALL.

EDIT ADDITION*********** If you have ever paid attention to to high tire wear races how the tires wear at an uneven rates tuning can help adjust so that the tire wear would be more even.

Also such a simple aspect that can affect, grip, tire wear and handling is a simple ability to adjust individual tire pressures as a 1/2 lb difference can be huge. Of course a tires operating temp would be affected and should be another aspect that a driver can track as it affects tire conservation levels as well.

But even that simple item is not included in the game but you can have driving aids which stabilize the whole car as long as it is not an FIA race. Does not make much sense does it?
 
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I’d bet if tuning were allowed I could do just as well or better than I am now with dead stock suspension but simply setup gearing for the track.
On wheel the cars drive well imo suspension wise.
 
Tuning is a ‘part’ of the game but not sport mode which is how it should stay imo.

When they opened up tuning last year everyone just tuned the group 4 GTR and it was nothing but a one make race, same thing would happen again.

I find tuning unfair just down to the time someone has got to tune (yes I know how to tune). I appreciate someone with more time can put in more laps regardless of tuning, but I’d rather know that when I set a quali time that we have the same starting point.

GR3 is relatively decent on BOP, there was a lambo on the top ten for fia Catalunya race on Saturday and I know that lap was done with a controller. So it’s more than doable.
 
Last comment for those who think they will improve.

You won't, because the faster drivers will also tune. If you think a fast tune is stable and easy think again. The fast guys will have nervous cars that rotate easily.

Tuning is not for GTS period. The lack of entrants to the FIA race that opened tuning proves this.

Spend time practicing instead of looking for excuses.

Calster was flying in the Lambo in the last FIA race. It was tyre deg that ruined his race. If he can compete with it, why can't you?

Edit: Iracing has tuning. That doesn't stop meta cars. Stop trying to over complicated a pick up and play, online racing game that works far better than the rest. AC and PC are awful public match making.

How many of you took part in the FIA race with open tuning? Anybody here in this thread?

*I'm out of here*
 
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