[POLL] United States Presidential Elections 2016

[Adamgp]

This guy looked pretty crazy

Some of his policies were viewed that way also, at the time anyway.

He still incites violemce,

 

[squadops]

That is awesome 👍

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I didn't even say that!

I was generalizing that the support he was getting was from people who think they will be guaranteed free stuff if he becomes President.

I do understand some of where he stands and some of his policy.

You might want to read my post a little closer.



What policy? Let's see...
- I disagree with his abortion position.
- I disagree with his whole overhauling the tax brackets.
- I disagree with his universal health care.
- I somewhat agree with 'free' public college.

But I agree completely with some of the disarming of police department's military grade equipment, and I agree with his gun control position, and I agree with his position on Wall Street corruption and trying to end it.

I don't understand why you think I'm making stuff up? I mean, I have no reason to lie about my opinion to you on here.

Yeah, I did say Bernie looks like a crazy old man, but I also said I disliked some of his policy.

First off where do I say you're making up stuff?

Second your primary statement you opened with was crazy old man. Then used some of the dislike policy to give another reason for dislike, but the issue with that is quite simple. You're never going to find a candidate you completely agree with, it's just impossible. I was a fan of Ron Paul but even so didn't fully agree with all he said, I mean perhaps 80-85% of what he stood for and that was enough to earn my vote. However, a candidate history should also be explored too

Main point is I still find your disagreement with his looks more overpowering than a few differences in policy.

 

[squadops]

We do judge that way though, some of us are better than others at summing it up based on appearance. I think we all know you should not judge a book by it's cover when it comes to electing a president.

If you saw me on any given day I'm sure you would; not feel threatened, realize I'm some kind of crazy, and figure you would rather have me on your side then not. For instance.

How you carry yourself does matter, he could at least comb his hair and maybe press his suit.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

We do judge that way though, some of us are better than others at summing it up based on appearance. I think we all know you should not judge a book by it's cover when it comes to electing a president.

If you saw me on any given day I'm sure you would; not feel threatened, realize I'm some kind of crazy, and figure you would rather have me on your side then not. For instance.

Then you really shouldn't be voting as I simply put it when I originally voiced my opinion on this. Now you have right to vote by birth in this country, but intellectually or logically speaking you shouldn't be able to vote. And you seemed to show agreement with that earlier as well and now it'd seem.

Also not everyone seems to know they shouldn't vote based on what they see

 

[squadops]

I do agree with you, I'm just trying to tell you how the world works, and I cannot disagree with the guy that you are. That's all.

You did read my posts about what my younger kid thinks of it, as well as my much stricter view on it 👍

We are all on the same page I believe.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I do agree with you, I'm just trying to tell you how the world works, and I cannot disagree with the guy that you are. That's all.

You did read my posts about what my younger kid thinks of it, as well as my much stricter view on it 👍

We are all on the same page I believe.

I'm well aware of how it works, doesn't change my attitude at the end of the day. We are on the same page which is why I brought up that previous post.

 

[squadops]

Fair enough, I cannot support anyone who is too lazy to buy a comb however.

I like what Johnny had to say about it, he(Berni) reminds me of that college professor we've all had, super left and making a point with his tweed jacket. Just sayin 👍

It would not persuade me however, if he did manage to dress up, but it could help his cause.

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I'm well aware of how it works, doesn't change my attitude at the end of the day. We are on the same page which is why I brought up that previous post.

You know what it is? it is self respect, if one does not have that, how is a people supposed to be respected under said leadership?

 

[Johnnypenso]

Not really thats an assumption on your part, in Australia for example Mcdonalds pays slightly above minimum wage on normal jobs, because the supply of jobs is that much higher then people applying to work.

Supply and demand defines everything, if no one wanted to work at Mcdonalds they would be forced to pay more for employees, haven't you heard of the Dump truck driver vs the Teacher?

You clearly did not read what I wrote. I explained that supply and demand determined wages and that a minimum wage becomes your so-called maximum wage when the supply of labour far exceeds the demand for labour.

Say if wages go up and that happens, wouldn't the robots then cost more as the people working on them either at a factory or maintenance or Sales will be paid more meaning that it's net effect is roughly the same?

You're missing the point again. People will switch tech when it's reliable and cheaper and it works for them. End of. Wages going up or down changes the economic efficiency of the tech and will change when and if it's adopted by individual decision makers. The higher the wages of the people being replaced the more viable the tech is. The higher the wages, the more viable the tech, the more tech being produced and likely it will cost less and less over time, just like all tech ever, in all of history.

 

[squadops]

I think most people realize that minimum wage is a bogus idea, that being said wages would be better in a free market which we do not have.

 

[GTPorsche]

One thing I've noticed with the violence at Trump's rallies is that people are baiting his supporters into attacking them, like the guy who was wearing a KKK hood and then got a TV interview about how he got beat up at a political rally in the USA. Trump isn't doing anything to stop it from happening as he pointed out the guy wearing the hood.

Sometimes I expect these morons to have a camera crew with them and when it all happens, they start shouting "BRO, BRO, IT'S JUST A PRANK, BRO", like the youtube "prank" videos.

Both sides are wrong and it's to the point that it makes the average Jerry Springer episode look civilized.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

One thing I've noticed with the violence at Trump's rallies is that people are baiting his supporters into attacking them, like the guy who was wearing a KKK hood and then got a TV interview about how he got beat up at a political rally in the USA. Trump isn't doing anything to stop it from happening as he pointed out the guy wearing the hood.

Sometimes I expect these morons to have a camera crew with them and when it all happens, they start shouting "BRO, BRO, IT'S JUST A PRANK, BRO", like the youtube "prank" videos.

Both sides are wrong and it's to the point that it makes the average Jerry Springer episode look civilized.

Seems to be the point, where these people feel the worst that will happen is getting beat up and thus somehow they'll heroically derail Trump because hey it's his fault it happened due to association. When in reality I don't see it that way, sure Trump could have several sister soulja moments and spend time denouncing certain support groups or he can keep riding the wave and claim he isn't inciting violence.

Seems like any other rally or protest situation in the U.S. a group of people (crazy people) come into to throw a wrench into something they disagree with. Their is violence that breaks out and whatever was being supported or protested gets looked at as a negative. You either do that...or you try to bum rush a stage with a candidate and then get an interview on CNN.

 

[squadops]

And he's simply eating it up, he thrives on attention that guy

It's degrading to the country I happen to love.

 

[Johnnypenso]

An interesting insider perspective from a black police officer, off duty, apparently not a Trump supporter, from the Arizona rally.



Former U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. thinks the FBI will "explode" of Clinton is not indicted due to politics:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...-indicted-over-email-scandal-due-to-politics/

“I think that the pressure is definitely building,” Bolton responded. “And just take the politics out of this for a second. What Hillary Clinton and her top aides did is not just make a few small violations of laws to protect classified information. They made wholesale violations and they did it for a sustained, indeed for a four-year period.”

If Bernie hangs in there long enough he might win by default

 

[squadops]

A KKK hat

Thanks for the vid 👍

Do you think that those protesters are imported in? I do, not by Trump, by the haters.

 

[Johnnypenso]

A KKK hat

Thanks for the vid 👍

Do you think that those protesters are imported in? I do, not by Trump, by the haters.

I found the vid on liveleak. Didn't realize it's gone viral, approaching 1 million views.

 

[squadops]

Hopefully it is embarrassing enough to make people wake up.

 

[A2K78]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...licy-team-in-meeting-with-the-washington-post

Now wonder why neoconservatives and the Democrat/GOP establishment is ganging up on Trump. To fruther add, Trump knocks the ball clear out of

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2016/03/21/trump-questions-usefulness-of-nato.html the park

He's right on NATO...not only its it a outdated relic, its a huge burden on American taxpayers, this when American are all but subsidizing the defense of European nations like Poland.

One more thing, he's exactly right about Elizabeth Warren being a fraud:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2016/03/21/trump-rips-elizabeth-the-indian-warren.html

 

[Spagetti69]

America sell lots of arms to NATO tho, surely that's a money spinner. Plus American bases in NATO countries are not just to protect said countries, they provide America with strategical positions.

Granted they probably get more money supplying the Middle East nowadays.

 

[A2K78]

Plus American bases in NATO countries are not just to protect said countries, they provide America with strategical positions.

Or better yet more like a protection racket, essentially the American taxpayer are protecting rich/well-off countries in return for them to essentially not maintain a real standing army.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Or better yet more like a protection racket, essentially the American taxpayer are protecting rich/well-off countries in return for them to essentially not maintain a real standing army.

If that were the case then it would be those countries that benefitted from the hardware that the US install on the numerous USAF bases and in the skies. That absolutely isn't the case in real life. Protection racket my behind.

 

[A2K78]

If that were the case then it would be those countries that benefitted from the hardware that the US install on the numerous USAF bases and in the skies. That absolutely isn't the case in real life. Protection racket my behind.

Question, but why should I as a taxpayer be responsible for the defense of countries that are well capable of defending themselves?

Trump is correct when he say that the american taxpayer isn't getting anything out of these protection schemes. As for NATO, it's nothing but a cold war relic that wants the american taxpayer to fight the wars it doesn't want to fight and look no further than the Bosnia, Libya and the many other conflicts its currently in.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Question, but why should I as a taxpayer be responsible for the defense of countries that are well capable of defending themselves?

You aren't. The amount you pay to NATO along with the other leading nations (UK, France, Germany) ensures that you have common training, equipment, understanding and access in the event of a large-scale conventional war around the North Atlantic.

America is quite used to bankrolling and winning wars in the region and has always done so because, ultimately, there is great financial and political gain in doing so. Money well spent, I expect.

Trump is correct when he say that the american taxpayer isn't getting anything out of these protection schemes.

No he isn't, demonstrate how it's a "protection scheme" before justifying more of his madness.

As for NATO, it's nothing but a cold war relic that wants the american taxpayer to fight the wars it doesn't want to fight and look no further than the Bosnia, Libya and the many other conflicts its currently in.

Thank you for directing my attention but I prefer to look a lot further than that, if you'll excuse me. I presume you think that NATO is the only reason that US troops fight in wars that "the American taxpayer doesn't want".

You quickly forget all the people who pushed for war in Libya, to quote one of your examples. Trump was a leading proponent of that, no?

 

[squadops]

People used to say that Ron Paul simply wanted to dig a moat

Not wanting to beat a dead horse but even Washington advised against permanent alliances. We are pretty damn caught up and I think that is what a2k is getting at. I am not an isolationist but I'm not a kingdom builder guy either. We are protecting our interests whether the average tax payers see it or not.

The sun never sets on the British flag or some sort

 

[GTPorsche]

I don't think we should be completely isolationist, but we also shouldn't be throwing our military out into the world every time a scuffle happens somewhere. That, and when Israel started throwing their weight around is when we should have dropped our alliance with them.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I don't think we should be completely isolationist, but we also shouldn't be throwing our military out into the world every time a scuffle happens somewhere. That, and when Israel started throwing their weight around is when we should have dropped our alliance with them.

If your friend of a half century or longer does something stupid or something you might not agree with, do you just drop them as your friend?

 

[GTPorsche]

If your friend of a half century or longer does something stupid or something you might not agree with, do you just drop them as your friend?

Wouldn't be the first time. There's this little island nation that's named Cuba you might have heard of.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Wouldn't be the first time. There's this little island nation that's named Cuba you might have heard of.

Yes I've heard of it. Perhaps you should make a point comparing Cuba and Israel.

 

[Dennisch]

Is this correct :

If so,

If not, never mind!

 

[Brutaka]

They can't say only 20% of millenials voted like 100% of all other generations vote. I do, however, believe that not enough people my age are voting in the main election and in all other elections.