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[POLL] United States Presidential Elections 2016
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I've filled out or signed off on literally hundreds of personal and corporate tax returns in my life and not a single one asked me how rich I was or how much debt I had. Maybe things are different in the United States or Australia but I suspect not. And no one "avoids" paying tax. You pay the absolute minimum required, which avoids nothing and pays everything required. If you aren't required to pay it you don't have to avoid it.
The $600 million number was floated by Clinton last night if memory serves. If Trump has leveraged $600 million of debt into several $billion of real estate he's in absolutely pristine shape and should be lauded for his efforts.
CNN's "unbiased" take on last night
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For those interested here's the demographics breakdown of CNN's debate poll. As @McLaren mentioned the Democrat/Republican split was pretty skewed so this bit is probably of most interest:
Disappointed that "Neither" didn't win outright, personally..............
Disappointed that "Neither" didn't win outright, personally..............
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Plus, I wouldn't be surprised if those online polls' only guard against people voting multiple times was the use of cookies on their site and not an IP check. I'm pretty sure if online polls were any indicator of reality we would be coming towards the end of a two-term Ron Paul administration with Bernie as the Democrats' nominee.
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Well I think you're right, you can just go back into the site and vote again, I tried to for Clinton after voting Trump (cause why not be that guy) and couldn't. So I think it probably is based on cookies and if it didn't mean me resetting my entire chrome I would have...so what did I do? Jumped on Firefox and had me a Hillary vote
, so yeah you guessed right, though I doubt most people voting think that much about how the internet works. "cookies? I like cookies?"
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Can I start opening betting on the odds of a one-term (or less) presidency?
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Since the last debate, Clinton's chance of winning has increased to at least 60.7% according to FiveThirtyEight. She's also edged ahead in Florida, one of the key battleground states.
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Well written endorsement of Johnson.
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/opinion/editorials/2016/09/28/endorse-johnson-president/91254412/
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/opinion/editorials/2016/09/28/endorse-johnson-president/91254412/
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it was always going to be a miracle for trump to get ahead with the way he ran primaries. He is good friends with clintons and I get the feeling he still has some sway with her so some Trump will win even if he looses. I remember when trump reacted on facebook in 2008 when obama won, he said secede. Now im wondering what he'll say whith a loss to an unpopular cannidate. Thing is, im not so sure Trump believes in any of what he touts, the whole trump 2016 program has seemed suspiciously cynical almost like he's mocking middle america. Regardless if hes serious or cynical or a combination his old friend bill and hillary will be back for probably 1 term is my guess.
He needs to stars to aline for a win and of course neither will hit 50 this time.... but what I find funny is the democrats voting for an ultra small gov. Natural selection cannidate ha!
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OP has been updated with the following:
-Added the final Results for the First Presidential Debate Prediction poll. Note, I will add a prediction poll for each subsequent debate approx. 1 week before each debate, the results of which will be updated daily.
- Added a new Strawpoll to determine who won the First Presidential Debate. That poll will be good for one week.
-Added the final Results for the First Presidential Debate Prediction poll. Note, I will add a prediction poll for each subsequent debate approx. 1 week before each debate, the results of which will be updated daily.
- Added a new Strawpoll to determine who won the First Presidential Debate. That poll will be good for one week.
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I just have to comment on the irony of this, because I think America has one of the most complex and convoluted systems of electing its President.
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It's all about putting on a show. I'm surprised it's not a reality TV contest yet.
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I received a rather unpleasant wake up call this election, the people who were so marvelously and methodically dismantling Bush administration i.e. Colbert and Oliver have now resorted to making fun of Trumps hair and that's about it. I wonder if, and hope, Jon Stewart would be able to maintain his objectivity.
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"America's Next Top President"?
"America's Got Talented Presidential Candidates"?
"Survivor: 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue"?
"Ron Paul's Dragged-Out Race"?
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Interviews are for personal opinions, which by definition are bias.
That being said has he been interviewed recently? I've seen his interviews with Axel and Rachel, but they are from spring.
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What does it matter, it's likely his view hasn't changed, more dirt has come out about Hilary which all but confirms his thoughts on her character being so far gone she can't find it even. And Trump keeps on doing Trump, so in reality it'd just be an update of his initial thoughts. If you've watched the guy at length over the years he rarely changes his position.
As for interviews they show what he was on the daily show. He wasn't objective and anyone that asserts it is fooling themselves to thinking otherwise. He had far more care in calling out the right than he did the left, and the though he did call out both you could tell during election cycles who he'd want to see America vote for. Now yes big time networks like CBS and HBO nearly beat you over the head with it, and I'd like to think Colbert is still that objective person you saw him as, but it's clear he's not. Also it's late night tv the two are now doing, so it sells to make jokes about the biggest idiot in the room, with as much ease as possible.
Point is any line that opens up with those who dismantled the Bush administration, and ends with would they still be as objective, shows signs of a contradiction. I think you feel your TV media heroes could do more to stress how stupid Trump is than the same run on joke about his hair for the past two decades.
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Stewart does not have any responsibility to be objective when stating his personal opinion.
Sure there was some bias but that was always a disclaimer. Overall he did try to maintain objectivity but any chance of having equal digs at the left and the right was destroyed by having people like Bush and McCain. What's going on with republican party is still not clear as Trump really forced himself on the RNC more than anything else.
Bush presidency was a disaster, I don't think even majority of republicans argue against that anymore.
Don't project your issues on me. I'd like an objective analysis of the situation. Trump might(or might not) be an idiot but unless he gets asked hard questions about his policies we won't know. Unfortunately the media is more interested whether Fallon humanized him by petting his hair or not.
Id also like to point out how I'm front New York and you're from Arizona. Can we get any more stereotypical?
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Why would he on his show? Because people naively see news as a social form of objectivity when seeking information, and the Daily show could hardly be called news, but a parody rather.
How so? Colbert frequently made it a goal to show the American populous how stupid their elected officials were in equal measure by having these mock interviews. Also it's quite clear what's going on in the RNC, the same as it is for the DNC. They tried to rig both nominations, and the DNC did a better job.
What does that have to do with this election? My point in stating your joy in their "objectivity" of dismantling the republican side of things is just showing confirmation bias on the issue. It's okay so long as they do it in some poetic manner rather than school yard remarks.
Don't project your issues on me. I'd like an objective analysis of the situation. Trump might(or might not) be an idiot but unless he gets asked hard questions about his policies we won't know. Unfortunately the media is more interested whether Fallon humanized him by petting his hair or not.
Id also like to point out how I'm front New York and you're from Arizona. Can we get any more stereotypical?
What does state local have to do with anything? I'm guessing based on what the demographics vote in and what color our states usually are? However, I can't even say that cause you take issue with me calling these guys your tv heroes (I'm a Colbert fan myself), so I can't simply say you're more inclined to vote democrat.
Trump has been asked questions and he flounders around. He's been asked by groups to have him on, and he seems to pick those who will interview with reservations. He's only had maybe one or two difficult interviews and those alone should easily clue you in.
Also as I said above it naive to think the news would be objective it's a idealist thought for the past several years now. It's like people coming in here saying something about how the News is not only reporting on something pointless in regards to the election, but confirmed bias. My thought is...where have you been if you're just now noticing that. (not you personally a general thought)
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Because personal opinions are biased, so you can't judge someone's objectivity by asking them for personal opinion. This is the third time i have to say that, I feel like you're not replying to me, just stating your own personal agenda using my posts as an excuse.
Stewart was plenty tough on his democratic guests(although not all of them - there were some pretty horrible interviews. And although slightly unrelated Cosby is the best example of it. On his show Stewart always acted like Cosby is a god but when news of Cosby allegedly raping those women came out he straight up said "not surprised we all knew Cosby is a piece of ****").
FOX still is by far the most watched network. I think it's just inevitably we're moving towards more liberal ideas as a society, that has been going on for thousands of years.
You're putting your own ideas on me, jumping to conclusions, again. I thought i made it pretty clear that i enjoyed their dismantling of Bush administration because of their ability to attack not just Bush personally, which i think with people like Bush or Trump is impossible to avoid, but also attacked his policies.
Where can I find them?
I don't really consider news independent, no, I just had higher opinion of Colbert and Oliver, as well as society as a whole.
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I'm just over here wondering, who looks to a satire talk show for objectivity? Expecting Fallon, Colbert, or Steward to ask the "hard questions" is asinine. That's like asking Trump for a straightforward answer. Illogical. You can't even find bipartisan objectivity in mainstream media these days. Sadly you need to go to smaller ventures such as the Rubin Report. Everyone has a side, and everyone wants that side to look better than the other. And this is why you will find Trump doing Faux News interviews, but not so many CNN interviews, and vise versa for Killery.
If you want to know the real facts and what these people really stand for, chances are you yourself are going to have to wade the muddy waters and figure it out yourself, and there is a good chance you will come out of it more confused than when you jumped in.
If you want to know the real facts and what these people really stand for, chances are you yourself are going to have to wade the muddy waters and figure it out yourself, and there is a good chance you will come out of it more confused than when you jumped in.
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