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[POLL] United States Presidential Elections 2016
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Well, to their credit, Snopes updated their page today (10/28) to include the information in the Dallas article I linked, which reported there were other claims of election machine error (when selecting the straight Republican ticket) in 3 different counties. At the time, Snopes was only listing the one account of the Women with the facebook page who originally reported the error. Snopes even confirmed that repairs were made to the voting machines and they temporarily had to switch to paper ballots. So at least there's that, they made a correction. Still, I find the fact checking once again by Kim LaCapria, former inquistr columnist, is short on evidence to make the "mostly false" claim, and their main source listed is KISS FM is a radio station.
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You're deliberately misrepresenting the whole story now. That was a court of appeals election. You're trying too hard.
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Kim Dotcom is claiming that he personally has all 33k emails and is sending them to Wikileaks for publication, and told Trey Gowdy on how to legally retrieve them from the NSA. He is claiming that Wikileaks is going through the emails as we speak and would publish them on November 1 or 2.
However, I think that Julian Assange is smart enough to know that this could be his "get out of the UK pass" that he is wanting for the last four years.
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Wrong link, I could say it is you that is trying too hard, but I'm not going to bother with false accusations; I think you're just confused so I'll give you a pass.
Here is the correct one, you'll notice that it now encompasses several different stories (all added today), yesterday it was only the account from Tarrant County that was referenced.
http://www.snopes.com/texas-vote-switching
The link to the Dallas Morning news story I referenced can be found here:
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/2016...inton-elections-officials-say-just-user-error
Snopes does not cite this as source but their page contains some of the information from the article.
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I think it's beyond clear to say that the executive branch of government is SNAFU, I can't even logically keep up with it all. You couldn't write this and if you did I feel people would get tired of the constant plot devices and seemingly deus ex machina between the two candidates.
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The only thing I find amusing about the letter from Comey is how a few Democrats are absolutely tearing into him, 1 calling him a Trump supporter and long-time Bush friend. The man was practically their hero back in July declaring Hillary had done nothing wrong. I've seen some Republicans doing the opposite, but amazed how they all agree for Comey to release every thing now.
Some believe this is Comey cracking under pressure from other influences in the FBI.
Some believe this is Comey cracking under pressure from other influences in the FBI.
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He's been under scrutiny since the original verdict though, esp. from the conservatives. The only thing I could see finally getting to him were the reports that talked about how morale within' the FBI has dropped & Comey was facing aggression from agents who wanted to reveal everything about what they found back in the original investigation (I can't imagine the reports talking about the wife of an agent receiving $500,000 from a Clinton ally has helped). I don't know if he will be fired, just that a few news shows today believed this is Comey trying to keep his job by doing, as you say, reclaiming the integrity. I don't think much is going to come of this however, as it looks like there are only a few e-mails the FBI seems to investigating that relate back to Clinton.
I'd suspect if anything will really put a blow to Hillary, it will be WikiLeaks dropping a bombshell. Kimdotcom claims he had found a legal way to access the 33,000 e-mails and had sent them to Assange for review, citing a Nov. 1-2 release. Kimdotcom is a rather unpredictable source admittedly, so it's still on Assange if he has any major evidence. His current crop coming from Podesta has only made headlines with the discussions of how to use Eric Garner's death in their campaign, which has upset his family.
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The most important takeaway I have from this is:
How do we explain this to our kids when this election makes it into their US History textbooks?
How do we explain this to our kids when this election makes it into their US History textbooks?
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We don't.
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The best kind of explanation.
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Same story... an error that switched votes in an Court vote, the paper standby was used instead. Perhaps you didn't read the article? Did you go and fact-check the statements they included about the "Clinton vote-switch" or look for other sources with the "ALERT ALERT ALERT" warning? Did it strike you as odd that the wording of that viral warning was almost exactly the same in both cases?
Fraud surely happens, make no mistake. The problem is that when people start buying into Facebook conspiracies they can be too busy to continue looking in the right places.
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That wouldn't be such a challenge, depending of the election result, of course. This chapter title options examples:
1. In the pursuit of freedom to build gratifying fantasies free from unpleasant facts.
or 2. The rise of anti-intellectualism in Democracy.
or 3. The West in the Post Truth Era.
or 4. Huge, Tremendous Chapter: How Our Great And Very Very Smart Leader Has Taken Down The Nasty Liberals.
or...
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I'd like to see a biological - or at least cognitive - analysis of how human brain is trying (and failing) to cope with the quantity of informations it is exposed to. An explanation could be that with Internet, the brain has so many sources that it can always select the information that cements any opinion, in disregard with truth (this is know as Confirmation Bias). Since we're lazy, the effortless explanation would have a better chance than the right one.
Or, in other words, to find an explanation to the current state of the race for WH in face of this:
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There won't be textbooks in a post apocalyptic wasteland...
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I hope that you know that Politifact is owned by The Washington Post, a known Hillary shill.
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Anti-intellectualism as its best.
Politifact is not a site that makes claims, so this is irrelevant. Furthermore, all data used are public. Over-biased over-criticism has its limits...
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Do you have the article that goes with that? I'd like to see what claims they used/didn't used and perhaps an explanation of why they only chose 50 since 2007. At that number you could make anybody look like an angel that's never lied or a heathen that wouldn't know truth if it bit them in the 🤬.
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He/they didn't, 50 is the minimum required entries for a person to be illegible on the graph, not the number considered: no selection has been made.
Also, a link than could help.
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It is relevant and it shows when their fact checking is being fact checked it changes multiple times on the same claims they check:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-...ts-are-subjective-and-based-party-affiliation
Tampa Bay Times actually(but they are basically just as bought).
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Eh most of the time I'd agree with you, but unless you've seen what most of us in the states have seen and recognized as slanted news, the reality is anyone being owned by a parent company runs a high risk of political bias. I find it funny that the least talked to and about republican candidate comes in as quite honest at the lower half with a group of democrats. As well as only four democrats being used. That alone slants the idea, and treads on political bias. If I'm a casual viewer with no party affiliation and see this, my instant thought (if I know even half the names on it) is wow Republicans are quite the liars compared to Democrats. So no it's not anti-intellectual to question a chart that from a quick study looks to be already skewed in respect to statistics.
My question would be, what were the questions that they fact checked, why were these picked, and were they political neutral questions, or question that the site would obviously know would stack one way or the other. Also the time frame is nearly ten years, so it's quite the expanse and only to pick fifty statements at minimum. Though if I'm make a info chart of data and then use said number of data entries in the title...people will tend to believe that that was the amount I used for all tests/experiments. So if your claim of it being just a minimum and there is potential that more entries were used to make it look more fair for Trump or Hillary, then that's not a true sample pool.
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https://datavizblog.com/2016/07/26/politifacts-methodology-who-lies-more-a-comparison-robert-mann/
Somebody at Politifact chose 50 as the baseline. For all I know they chose 50 occasions of Hillary saying water is wet and 100 of Trump spouting his normal crap.https://datavizblog.com/2016/07/26/politifacts-methodology-who-lies-more-a-comparison-robert-mann/
Wow, that's entirely what I didn't ask for!
I want the article that corresponds to the graph you posted. I don't care what some blogger thinks of it.
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Not only is this exactly the sort of response @Milhouse is talking about, it's not even true............
I think what he means is only candidates that have at least 50 articles about them are included on that chart - but if they're on the chart, then all the articles concerning each candidate have been used.
Here's the author of it explaining how he compiled the data.
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