[POLL] United States Presidential Elections 2016

[McLaren]

I'm sorry, but that is factually wrong. She did call the rigging claim true. What she said was false was that he unendorsed Hillary. Just reread through the Clinton emails on Wikileaks. The fact of the matter is that special interests and very wealthy people (Soros and Koch Brothers to name two) do determine who does and does not get elected, and before @TenEightyOne and @prisonermonkeys get on my case, this exists on both sides of the asile. It was a game that was played prior to the 1900s and a game that will continue to play long after we are gone from this Earth.

I don't know what you're claiming is factually wrong because you're pretty much on the same page I'm on.

She did call the rigging claim true.

To Kim, she didn't. She put what he said about wealthy people & special interests in the True column, but she does not believe that was Bernie calling it a rigged election; she thinks rigging is something else, not wealthy people or special interests having influence. But, I've already agreed on that point because if he didn't say it was rigged, why didn't Kim make a note of that under the false column alongside the Hillary comment?

But why then, does she still not place "Bernie calling the election rigged" in the False column?

Notice how she does not include "Bernie said the election was 'rigged'" under the False category

esp. when she doesn't place it in the false column alongside the "unendorsing" statement.

What she said was false was that he unendorsed Hillary.

I also made note of that.

He did not end his support for her.

The fact of the matter is that special interests and very wealthy people (Soros and Koch Brothers to name two) do determine who does and does not get elected,

I haven't been disagreeing with that at all.

 

[mustafur]

 

[Johnnypenso]

http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/pa...st-abc-news-tracking-poll-october-23-26/2112/

Crazy stuff. The latest Washington Post/ABC poll has the Trumpet going from a 50-38 deficit and all but done just 5 days ago, to a slim 48-44 deficit. After all that's happened in the last couple of months it's hard to believe

The L.A. Times, which has a slightly different method of polling which was incredibly accurate in predicting the national vote in the last race for POTUS, has them in a statistical dead heat around 45%.

 

[Pupik]

Really?Has someone's head been stuck in the sand for the last 6 🤬 years? We have the worst mass exodus since WW2 and that's the best you got. Wow!

To be honest, I'd like those in political office to actually do some research before shooting their mouth off about something they don't know enough about. Somehow, this is seen as a weakness; yet being unprepared and inept when trying to tackle a situation is typically wasteful and futile. If they change their mind, they're "wafflers". Funny how the press gets the last word...

While we're at it, let's throw my boss, their supervisors, my doctor, dentist, local political yokels, scientists, the A/C repairman, as well as other various and sundry folks who are entrusted with important or delicate tasks. I am wise enough to be wary of those who "know it all" and have a ready answer for everything. They may be fun to have a drink with, but that's not exactly good leadership.

 

[Johnnypenso]

To be honest, I'd like those in political office to actually do some research before shooting their mouth off about something they don't know enough about. Somehow, this is seen as a weakness; yet being unprepared and inept when trying to tackle a situation is typically wasteful and futile.

While we're at it, let's throw my boss, their supervisors, my doctor, dentist, local political yokels, scientists, the A/C repairman, as well as other various and sundry folks who are entrusted with important or delicate tasks. I am wise enough to be wary of those who "know it all" and have a ready answer for everything. They may be fun to have a drink with, but that's not exactly good leadership.

I've been wailing on to my friends about the death of reason and logic these past few years, and truth be told, they are prime examples of just how much emphasis is put on 30 soundbite news articles and clickbait journalism. They all believe they are super informed about the issues and most of them have no clue what's going on in their own province, country or the world. It's one thing to look at the same facts and information and draw different conclusions but another altogether to think you can garner the gist of a subject from a 30 second report on the CBC or CNN, and then argue vehemently for your cause all the while ignoring various facts and logic that disputes your argument.

If you think this is bad, I think the next round of voting in 2020 will be exponentially worse. There's no going back. The day and age of social media and instant access to anything and everything is upon us and the insatiable human appetite for drama, intrigue and partisanship ensure that all of our major elections from here on out are going to be clusteryouknowwhats.

 

[Tornado]

It is darkly amusing that the widespread ability to access actual knowledge on any typical subject was the harbinger of the breakdown for most people to actually seek it, though.

 

[TRGTspecialist]

Welp.

 

[huskeR32]

Nope. Same goal, same motivation, same result. The basic idea is to try and swing the election one way or the other, the method isn't really relevant.

No relevant difference between a state government passing a law that will make it significantly more difficult to exercise their constitutional right to vote (see North Carolina HB 589), and an individual attempting to vote multiple times by using somebody else's identity?

Give me a break.

 

[killerjimbag]

Welp.

I think someone is in some trouble.

 

[killerjimbag]

Trump has declared the campaign against ISIS in Mosul to be a disaster:

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-...mp-for-comments-on-offensive-in-mosul/7964166

Given that Iraqi and Kurdish forces have Mosul surrounded, have advanced on the city much faster than they anticipated, and are almost on the verge of driving ISIS out of Iraq entirely, I wonder what Trump would qualify as a success ...

This is the disaster unfolding.
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...l/news-story/7bb6c6db15c073a17876a6ce21e1ca91

 

[Chad151515]

I hate politics, I hate everything about political parties, and this is from someone who has graduated college with a degree in History and is in graduate school to become a teacher of social studies. I don`t think Trump or Clinton are even close to qualified to be President. BUT PLEASE do not elect and vote for a criminal in Hilary Clinton. She is the worst thing that can happen to this country. I am not saying vote for Trump either. Do not vote for the lesser of two evil either. This country will never see change until this corrupt BS that is called modern politics is taken care of.

 

[Tornado]

This is getting pretty amusing. Since they've been high profile public figures for so long, how many more scandals can we have in the next week and a half?


Will someone escape from Trump's secret rape dungeon underneath Trump Tower? Will it be revealed in another set of hacked emails that Hilary was the actual driver at Chippaquiddick?

 

[Chad151515]

This is getting pretty amusing. Since they've been high profile public figures for so long, how many more scandals can we have in the next week and a half?


Will someone escape from Trump's secret rape dungeon underneath Trump Tower? Will it be revealed in another set of hacked emails that Hilary was the actual driver at Chippaquiddick?

It`s literally a modern real life sitcom of insanity. At this point both sides can make up anything they want because there is just so much nonsense out there. The media is so obvious with who`s side their on (Clinton). I honestly think Clinton could murder someone and it would be pushed under the rug ( hmmm Benghazi??). Trump is not a saint either for sure. What it comes down too is people care more about Trump saying hurtful disrespectful things than they do about Clinton having terrible policies, thousands of emails deleted, and countless acts of stupidity. This is why I just stay off the news, facebook, and whatever else that can pop up with political crap.

This is getting pretty amusing. Since they've been high profile public figures for so long, how many more scandals can we have in the next week and a half?


Will someone escape from Trump's secret rape dungeon underneath Trump Tower? Will it be revealed in another set of hacked emails that Hilary was the actual driver at Chippaquiddick?

As we speak the FBI is reopening the case against her lol

 

[DK]

This is the disaster unfolding.
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...l/news-story/7bb6c6db15c073a17876a6ce21e1ca91

Something tells me this isn't the kind of disaster that Drumpf was talking about.

 

[killerjimbag]

Something tells me this isn't the kind of disaster that Drumpf was talking about.

Maybe he was talking about it. We don't know.
But regardless,it's a disaster of epic proportions.

 

[Milouse]

But regardless,it's a disaster of epic proportions.

That's a very personal and uncommon view about the situation in Mosul, as this was an expected reaction from ISIS. If you thought the Mosul campaign was going to be casualty-free, you're a bit naive.
The situation is disastrous in the first place with ISIS in town. Trump is just throwing that into the battle as many of his supporters can be fed with anything regardless of pertinence, as long as a superlative word is attached.

Welcome in the Post-Truth Era.

 

[DDastardly00]

That's such a strawman. Name anyone here who has done this - don't need to find many people, just one name will do. And it's not this claim I took issue with in your original post either - a claim you still haven't provided any evidence for by the way.

That is not a strawman argument and from your usage it doesn't appear that you know what term actually means. This is not hard to understand, I made a simple statement that Snopes, one of the oldest fact-checking websites on the internet, isn't always 100% accurate, and that I would caution holding them up as the Be-All-End-All, judge and jury of what is fact and what is not. I take just about everything I read on the internet with a grain of salt, even the so called Fact-checkers. Let me clarify what I was NOT doing with that statement, I was NOT implicating members of this forum, your perception and interpretation of that statement is wrong. Snopes uses the media and other outlets to determine what they declare is false and what they declare is true, given the widespread corruption in the media, most recently highlighted buy the media collusion with the DNC which was revealed by the Podesta emails (not to mention the DNC hack), I think the days where this is an acceptable practice are long gone.

Let's examine what happened in the original claim and why Snopes was even brought up in this thread, A woman goes into a polling booth and selects a straight Republican ticket, she reviews her ballot before turning it in only to discover the Hillary Clinton was also highlighted on her ballot. She then complains to the election officials about the problem she is experiencing. The officials claim the machines are fine and it must be a user-error (even though they have no conclusive proof of that). Snopes uses this statement reported on by the media as the basis for determining the claim is false. This is a classic he-said, she-said scenario. Was there a video camera in the booth that recorded the footage of her making an error on her selections? No. Is there any conclusive evidence at all that it was user error? No. How does one go about determining fact from fiction when there is no conclusive evidence? Based on the lack of evidence, shouldn't the claim on Snopes be inconclusive?

 

[Milouse]

They are judging a claim, not a fact.
If we're ok with "inconclusive claims", then what would be the point of a claim? I can write a program that would generate and spam you with an infinity of inconclusive claims. An "inconclusive claim" is worthless.

 

[DK]

The latest on the email case - they're NOT from Clinton's server.

UPDATE: they were discovered as part of the investigation into the (latest) Anthony Weiner sexting scandal. BBC

 

[Danoff]

This election is tailored specifically to drive Americans outside of the 2-party system and they just... won't... go.

 

[TenEightyOne]

That is not a strawman argument and from your usage it doesn't appear that you know what term actually means.

I'd respectfully suggest that in fact it's you who is somehow misunderstanding the term.

Let's examine what happened in the original claim and why Snopes was even brought up in this thread, A woman goes into a polling booth and selects a straight Republican ticket, she reviews her ballot before turning it in only to discover the Hillary Clinton was also highlighted on her ballot. She then complains to the election officials about the problem she is experiencing. The officials claim the machines are fine and it must be a user-error (even though they have no conclusive proof of that). Snopes uses this statement reported on by the media as the basis for determining the claim is false. This is a classic he-said, she-said scenario. Was there a video camera in the booth that recorded the footage of her making an error on her selections? No. Is there any conclusive evidence at all that it was user error? No. How does one go about determining fact from fiction when there is no conclusive evidence? Based on the lack of evidence, shouldn't the claim on Snopes be inconclusive?

Was that even the claim?

 

[Sanji Himura]

The latest on the email case - they're NOT from Clinton's server.

UPDATE: they were discovered as part of the investigation into the (latest) Anthony Weiner sexting scandal. BBC

Love it. It is page for page from "How to Screw Over Your Ex-Wife When She is in the Middle of a Power Play."

 

[prisonermonkeys]

This is the disaster unfolding.
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...l/news-story/7bb6c6db15c073a17876a6ce21e1ca91

Read Trump's comments - they have nothing to do with ISIS using human shields or terrorising the population and everything to do with the coalition telegraphing the attack on Mosul.

 

[DK]

This election is tailored specifically to drive Americans outside of the 2-party system and they just... won't... go.

I honestly don't see the Republican/Democrat duopoly on the Presidency & Congress disintegrating until the US moves away from first-past-the-post.

 

[DDastardly00]

I'd respectfully suggest that in fact it's you who is somehow misunderstanding the term.



Was that even the claim?

No, that is the wrong claim. Please explain how my statement is a strawman argument. I am waiting.

 

[TenEightyOne]

No, that is the wrong claim. Please explain how my statement is a strawman argument. I am waiting.

In that case source for your claim would be useful.

Please explain how my statement is a strawman argument.

You refuted a claim that nobody had made;

I don't think that Snopes is bad, it's just that I wouldn't hold them up as the Holy Grail of undisputed truth (like many people seem to do).

Who here claimed that?

I am waiting.

 

[DDastardly00]

Who here claimed that?http://www.snopes.com/texas-vote-switching

Uh huh, Nice try.

Let me clarify what I was NOT doing with that statement, I was NOT implicating members of this forum, your perception and interpretation of that statement is wrong.

 

[Dotini]

Stop the presses!

The Biggest Bombshell of the election has just exploded.

Hillary Clinton is now under renewed criminal investigation by the FBI. New evidence is obtained. Details unclear at this hour.

Edit: Obviously, the electoral map has been blown wide open by this development.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Stop the presses!

The Biggest Bombshell of the election has just exploded.

Hillary Clinton is now under renewed criminal investigation by the FBI. New evidence is obtained. Details unclear at this hour.

Supposedly it's stuffed recovered from Weiner's weiner pic investigation basically stuff found on his cell phone and likely sent between him and Huma. Could be a smoking gun but I wouldn't bet on it. Hope for it, but wouldn't bet on it. Maybe it'll sway a few votes Trump's way, perhaps enough to tip the scales, depending on what's found of course.

 

[Dotini]

Supposedly it's stuffed recovered from Weiner's weiner pic investigation basically stuff found on his cell phone and likely sent between him and Huma. Could be a smoking gun but I wouldn't bet on it. Hope for it, but wouldn't bet on it

No way the Director of the FBI is going to perform such a forcible intervention in the US presidential race at this late hour of the election timetable unless he had very significant evidence.

Yes, the FBI was investigating Weiner for sexting with an underage person. All his devices were seized. Huma Abedin's email was therefore also legally subject to search. Presumably highly classified information was sent by Abedin to insecure computers all over the nation (or world). It must come out. Everyone including Clinton is calling for the FBI to reveal what they have, and it may be devastating. All bets are off. Everything has changed. Trump may be in after all.