[POLL] United States Presidential Elections 2016

[Tornado]

If you suggest a piece of paper can stop totalitarism please read up on the Weimar Constitution.

Ah, there's the old Hitler trotted out.

 

[Sanji Himura]

Ok, so let's assume we'll disregard the racist bit and he's just a bigot. Doesn't change the general gist of my initial post, which was that for someone claiming to drain the swamp, he's surrounding himself with a lot of questionable people.

Which was not the whole point of what is now going on three pages of this conversation. The question is why do you think that Steve Bannon is a card carrying racist. Just throwing random statements out there without any context and expecting anyone who reads it to come to the same conclusion is a low brained approach to this debate. If you are going to call someone a racist, you are going to be expected to become accountable for that statement.

 

[UKMikey]

Which was not the whole point of what is now going on three pages of this conversation. The question is why do you think that Steve Bannon is a card carrying racist. Just throwing random statements out there without any context and expecting anyone who reads it to come to the same conclusion is a low brained approach to this debate. If you are going to call someone a racist, you are going to be expected to become accountable for that statement.

But he just disregarded the racist bit and conceded the point. His point about the lack of swamp draining still seems valid to me.

 

[Danoff]

For anyone who has decided suddenly that the US has become sexist and racist and intolerant overnight (regardless of whether those concerns are valid), consider the fact that the majority of the population of the US has now for 8 years straight across 3 presidential elections voted for either a black man or a white woman for president.

 

[Dotini]

Trump met with a very interesting person, Tulsi Gabbard, a Democrat who nominated Bernie Sanders.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article116162588.html

 

[Dhalism]

In theory, yes. In practice, it would require a lot of economic management, and that increased management is at odds with the principles that underpin the free market economy. It doesn't take into account the way China has trading partners worldwide, so it won't be difficult for them to offset any losses they would take from the tarriff driving Anerican firms out of China.

Necro! Heh. But i've been reading financial times and they were discussing China. In particular how one child policy has created a shortage in Chinese workforce and how China seems to be passing laws such as the cybersecurity law, with the goal, or side effect, of locking out foreign companies out of the domestic market. So it seems that if there is a time to make a move on china it is probably now?

I don't think his remark about too many Asian CEOs in the tech industry needs any explanation on why it's racist.

Well i dunno about Netherlands but counting people by color has long been a normal thing in the US. It's just normally done as complaint about too many white people but i think it's time to start treating all races equally.

 

[TenEightyOne]

In particular how one child policy has created a shortage in Chinese workforce

That law's no longer in place and there's an interesting sociological discussion around the child murder rate that it created.

 

[Dhalism]

That law's no longer in place and there's an interesting sociological discussion around the child murder rate that it created.

Yes i know but it remains to be seem what kind of effect it will have and whether its a case of too little too late.

 

[Scaff]

So The Donald wants Farage to be the UK Ambassador to the US!

Not sure that's how it works........

On other news, the end of TPP may play into China's hands.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-38060980

 

[prisonermonkeys]

So it seems that if there is a time to make a move on china it is probably now?

It's unlikely to work. China is simply trying to limit foreign influence as they prepare for their economy to go into a boom. It doesn't change the way China still has the most readily available skilled labour and the most cost-effective way of developing products. The only way the American economy can really compete is if American workers take a pay cut and companies invest in training programmes.

 

[Liquid]

Don't let Farridge fool any of you USians. He's not the political heavyweight he'd have you believe; he's stood for the equivalent of the House of Representatives eight times and lost eight times.

He's also on the hunt for a peerage to become a Lord, which would fit in perfectly with his "I don't like unelected elites" attitude.

 

[mustafur]

On other news, the end of TPP may play into China's hands.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-38060980

And countries that don't wan't multi-nationals to be above their own laws. Yes that trade Policy has alot of hidden gems that tarnish the point of it.

 

[Dhalism]

Don't let Farridge fool any of you USians. He's not the political heavyweight he'd have you believe; he's stood for the equivalent of the House of Representatives eight times and lost eight times.

He's also on the hunt for a peerage to become a Lord, which would fit in perfectly with his "I don't like unelected elites" attitude.

Thats the platform Trump, Bernie and Obama all ran on - being an outsider to the system. And considering everything that came out of UK politics last few years is being a political heavyweight a good or a bad thing?

 

[TenEightyOne]

...considering everything that came out of UK politics last few years...

I'd love to see you expand on that in the Britain thread

Thats the platform Trump, Bernie and Obama all ran on - being an outsider to the system.

And they were successful in something, no? Fartage has never been voted into the UK, only ever into Europe. Even his own party's supporters seem to find him toxic and prefer other candidates.

Trump and Fartage, the gift that keeps on giving.

 

[Dhalism]

I'd love to see you expand on that in the Britain thread

Expand how? The scandals speak for themselves and i'm not gonna pretend that i have any more insight than what is reported in the news.

And they were successful in something, no? Fartage has never been voted into the UK, only ever into Europe. Even his own party's supporters seem to find him toxic and prefer other candidates.

Trump and Fartage, the gift that keeps on giving.

I'm not sure what you mean. This isnt highschool so i couldnt care less what his peers think of him. Especially since his 'friends' are politicians, it might actually warrant some bonus points.

If you want to explain to us USians how Farrage is bad talk about actual issues. But so far your best argument against Farrage is calling him Fartage, and i'm not 12 so i don't find that particularly clever.

 

[TenEightyOne]

If you want to explain to us USians how Farrage is bad talk about actual issues.

The nationalist, borderline-racist UKIP is in meltdown with fist-fights and co-erced leadership attempts and a lack of support for the actual elected MP, Farage has been unable to take a seat in the UK, he lied to the UK public during the Brexit publicity and he's an ex-banker.

But so far your best argument against Farrage is calling him Fartage, and i'm not 12 so i don't find that particularly clever.

It's not at all clever, that's why Fartage is so funny. Any kind of fartage is funny. Or a trump, of course. Same thing.

 

[Dhalism]

The nationalist, borderline-racist UKIP is in meltdown with fist-fights and co-erced leadership attempts and a lack of support for the actual elected MP, Farage has been unable to take a seat in the UK,

You're gonna have to expand on all those i'm afraid. All of the things you listed might be legitimate concerns but they're a tad bit too heavy on the buzz words.

he's an ex-banker.

You do realize that being a banker is technically not a crime?

 

[Spurgy 777]

The nationalist, borderline-racist UKIP is in meltdown with fist-fights and co-erced leadership attempts and a lack of support for the actual elected MP, Farage has been unable to take a seat in the UK, he lied to the UK public during the Brexit publicity and he's an ex-banker.

It's not at all clever, that's why Fartage is so funny. Any kind of fartage is funny. Or a trump, of course. Same thing.

I assume by fist fight you're referring to Steven Woolfe? If so there wasn't one as far as I'm aware, he just collapsed a short while after having an argument;

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...teven-woolfe-collapses-in-european-parliament

Also Farage was a stockbroker, not a banker.

 

[Dotini]

The nationalist, borderline-racist UKIP is in meltdown with fist-fights and co-erced leadership attempts and a lack of support for the actual elected MP, Farage has been unable to take a seat in the UK, he lied to the UK public during the Brexit publicity and he's an ex-banker.



It's not at all clever, that's why Fartage is so funny. Any kind of fartage is funny. Or a trump, of course. Same thing.

Yes, at a certain low, rectal level, it is funny. But be careful not to make the same mistakes the DNC and most media made by never taking him seriously, thoughtfully. The Huffington Post for instance covered Trump in their entertainment section almost up unto the point he was elected president.

As it happens, Trump is as serious as a heart attack. We'll have to see just how how it all falls out for us here and you over there. The world may look and feel differently in 6 months or a year. Donald J is riding is on the crest of a virulent populist uprising (freshly rewarded and invigorated), a majority red US state and national government, and his own unique insight, destiny or Gumpian luck. The opposition is reeling, crestfallen, in the earliest stages of denial and a self-destructive orgy of garment rending. Funny, serious or just plain weird?

Trump now has huge, vast, almost cosmic powers to actually attain positive objectives or something lower, more rectal. So he likes Nigel and wants to elevate him in some tangible way. I expect he will.

On another note, I've got what I think is a valid concern that needs to be addressed more fully than it has by Trump himself, and that's Trump's pantheon of business holdings and the potential or appearance of conflict of interest. The best thing would be to liquidate or sell all his holdings so they may be put into a blind trust. Maybe he could sell them to Nigel?

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Trump is now on YouTube, avoiding the other media to go directly to the people with his announcements. They say social media is where you hear it first, and now YouTube may be the best platform.

 

[Dhalism]

On another note, I've got what I think is a valid concern that needs to be addressed more fully than it has by Trump himself, and that's Trump's pantheon of business holdings and the potential or appearance of conflict of interest. The best thing would be to liquidate or sell all his holdings so they may be put into a blind trust. Maybe he could sell them to Nigel?

He said that his kids will run it. Which is not so unusual i.e. Hillary wanting to keep Chelsea at the foundation, Cheney and Haliburton, Biden appointing his kid to the board of directors at Burisma. Has any president actually put anything in a blind trust fund before?

 

[Scaff]

He said that his kids will run it. Which is not so unusual i.e. Hillary wanting to keep Chelsea at the foundation, Cheney and Haliburton, Biden appointing his kid to the board of directors at Burisma. Has any president actually put anything in a blind trust fund before?

The difference is that his kids are also on his transition team and have been in discussions with the heads of foreign powers.

Which is a clear conflict and doesn't make it a blind trust, and yes previous Presidents have used blind trusts when they have needed them

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jennife...decessors-did-with-their-assets/#3a58da3a7915

http://www.npr.org/2016/06/09/48135...ld-trump-put-his-investments-in-a-blind-trust

 

[Dotini]

Breaking news: Trump administration will not prosecute Hillary Clinton on the emails.
http://kdvr.com/2016/11/22/trump-breaks-campaign-promise-wont-investigate-clintons-emails/

 

[BobK]

Breaking news: Trump administration will not prosecute Hillary Clinton on the emails.
http://kdvr.com/2016/11/22/trump-breaks-campaign-promise-wont-investigate-clintons-emails/

So... a deal has been cut?

 

[Dotini]

Interview with Jared Kushner and how he won the election. The long Forbes article is well worth reading.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevenb...shner-won-trump-the-white-house/#4abe76872f50


snippet:

“It’s hard to overstate and hard to summarize Jared’s role in the campaign,” says billionaire Peter Thiel, the only significant Silicon Valley figure to publicly back Trump. “If Trump was the CEO, Jared was effectively the chief operating officer.”

“Jared Kushner is the biggest surprise of the 2016 election,” adds Eric Schmidt, the former CEO of Google, who helped design the Clinton campaign’s technology system. “Best I can tell, he actually ran the campaign and did it with essentially no resources.”

No resources at the beginning, perhaps. Underfunded throughout, for sure. But by running the Trump campaign–notably, its secret data operation–like a Silicon Valley startup, Kushner eventually tipped the states that swung the election. And he did so in manner that will change the way future elections will be won and lost. President Obama had unprecedented success in targeting, organizing and motivating voters. But a lot has changed in eight years. Specifically social media. Clinton did borrow from Obama’s playbook but also leaned on traditional media. The Trump campaign, meanwhile, delved into message tailoring, sentiment manipulation and machine learning. The traditional campaign is dead, another victim of the unfiltered democracy of the Web–and Kushner, more than anyone not named Donald Trump, killed it.

Kushner and his father-in-law Donald Trump, America’s President-Elect. (Photo: Taylor Hill/Getty Images)

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Breaking news: Trump administration will not prosecute Hillary Clinton on the emails.
http://kdvr.com/2016/11/22/trump-breaks-campaign-promise-wont-investigate-clintons-emails/

That Swamp seems to be getting more full

 

[TenEightyOne]

I assume by fist fight you're referring to Steven Woolfe? If so there wasn't one as far as I'm aware, he just collapsed a short while after having an argument;

Woolfe claims he was hit, Hookem claims he was acting in self-defence and alternately denies claims that he made physical contact with Woolfe at all.

Yes, at a certain low, rectal level, it is funny. But be careful not to make the same mistakes the DNC and most media made by never taking him seriously, thoughtfully.

Fartage or trump? It's hard to take Fartage seriously, for sure.

You're gonna have to expand on all those i'm afraid. All of the things you listed might be legitimate concerns but they're a tad bit too heavy on the buzz words.

Only a few posts ago you were abreast of the recent years in UK politics and weren't 12. Surely that sentence wasn't beyond you?

You do realize that being a banker is technically not a crime?

I'm not sure where you think the technical argument lies, to be honest. Of course it isn't a crime. It just makes one quite unpopular.

Besides, @Spurgy 777 has corrected me, Fartage was a stockbroker and not a banker (actually a commodities broker). Still makes him unpopular

 

[Famine]

Fartage

No.

 

[Sanji Himura]

I'm not sure where you think the technical argument lies, to be honest. Of course it isn't a crime. It just makes one quite unpopular.

I'm sure he is referring to the court of public opinion. The one place where everyone goes to if they can't win an argument on technical terms.

 

[TenEightyOne]

No.

I bow, of course, to your instruction. In defence I'd note that Fartage is the act of covering something in fart, the result is a shiny (and slightly toxic) rigid object. Surely given his MEP status such french fancies are allowable?

 

[mister dog]

I bow, of course, to your instruction. In defence I'd note that Fartage is the act of covering something in fart, the result is a shiny (and slightly toxic) rigid object. Surely given his MEP status such french fancies are allowable?

Show some respect for the man that liberated Britain from the evil claws of the EU