[POLL] United States Presidential Elections 2016

[CodeRedR51]

If Trump is elected, and I am finished with my school, you can be damn sure I'll leave this country and only increase the burden for the ignorant like you.

I'll be hot on your heels.

 

[Keef]

Never mind, I'll just not watch this leftist young dumb sheltered liberal page.

Vote TRUMP if you know what's good for you. And if you don't like it, you can get out with all the illegal immigrants.

For starters this country has always been a melting pot. And the Indians should scalp everyone of us and kick us all out.

Libs can't say anything when it comes to the Indians.

I can already tell what you were going to bitch about.

Fact: It is not legally required for students to recite the pledge allegiance.

But students are never told that. And when students get defiant and insist on not reciting the Pledge, teachers discipline them and schools force them to say it. Why? They aren't legally required too. Apparently teachers and school administrators don't know this either.

Why on earth would authority figures not inform students of their legal right not not recite the pledge? Why they force students to do something they don't legally have to do? How have generations of people, including those teachers and administrators, have grown up not knowing that they never had to say the Pledge?

The Pledge exists for one reason and that is nationalism. To instill the idea that it's us (the U.S.) against them (all the other countries). Sort of like how a sports fan has an irrational passion for their team.

Again, it's not legally required yet is effectively forced, and kids don't even find out until they grow up and finally learn what a crock of **** it was. What the hell?

 

[Johnnypenso]

It's a good thing that the only person in my family who is a die-hard republican is about dead, because to be honest, it has been a good 40 years since the last republican actually did much good for this country. If Trump is elected, and I am finished with my school, you can be damn sure I'll leave this country and only increase the burden for the ignorant like you.

I'll be hot on your heels.

Where do you guys think you are going to go that's better than the U.S.? You realize Trump, if he's elected, like any other President, is limited to the powers given to him by the Constitution right?

 

[prisonermonkeys]

As I told my Year 10s when they were voting on a class submission, this is a democracy until such time as you make the wrong choice; after that, anything goes.

 

[Swagger897]

Where do you guys think you are going to go that's better than the U.S.? You realize Trump, if he's elected, like any other President, is limited to the powers given to him by the Constitution right?

Gonna make my own island...

Good thing is (in my eyes), Trump wont be elected. It's too early to say he's "locked in" and it's not unfeasible to say once the majority of Republicans step down, he'll be facing stiffer competition each day.

 

[Shaun]

Fact: It is not legally required for students to recite the pledge allegiance.

I would hope not.

Keef, when you say discipline what exactly do they do as an example?

 

[Denur]

when you say discipline what exactly do they do as an example?

Here's one example:

high school student in Tracy, California, was disciplined and had his grades lowered after omitting ‘under God’ while leading his school in the Pledge of Allegiance. .... Derek Giardina, 17, a student at West High School, said he was given detention and had points docked from his grade point average because he omitted the reference to God while fulfilling a class requirement that obliges students to lead the pledge 12 times every year.

source

 

[Shaun]

Thanks @Denur.👍

From the link.

Sam Strube said:

“A public forum where you’re going to represent the school is not a place where you can voice a controversial issue and force that on other people,”

A tad ironic I would have thought.
As an outsider looking in that's getting close to the beginnings of brainwashing.

 

[Sanji Himura]

Gonna make my own island...

Good thing is (in my eyes), Trump wont be elected. It's too early to say he's "locked in" and it's not unfeasible to say once the majority of Republicans step down, he'll be facing stiffer competition each day.

Also keep in mind the rules for delegates. If a candidate withdraws with delegates and endorses someone, those delegates go to them.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Gonna make my own island...

Good thing is (in my eyes), Trump wont be elected. It's too early to say he's "locked in" and it's not unfeasible to say once the majority of Republicans step down, he'll be facing stiffer competition each day.

So I'm to assume it's a joke when you say you are leaving the country if he get's elected?

 

[Swagger897]

So I'm to assume it's a joke when you say you are leaving the country if he get's elected?

You're to assume that the bloke I initially referred to is a joke.

 

[HELLAFLUSH240SX]

Yeah there's too many Trump supporters here. What makes Trump a viable person for the seat of the President of the United States?

 

[GTPorsche]

Yeah there's too many Trump supporters here. What makes Trump a viable person for the seat of the President of the United States?

He's pandering to a segment of the country that wants what he's claiming he's going to do.

 

[Dotini]

Yeah there's too many Trump supporters here. What makes Trump a viable person for the seat of the President of the United States?

A very significant number of citizens and voters are angry and disillusioned. We should know why. But do we?

IMO, we are lacking the peace and prosperity we thought we once had. And Trump's basic message is a return to peace and prosperity.

So Trump appeals to the angry and disillusioned. He is rich, powerful and has the skill set necessary to make this appeal. It is essentially a conservative appeal to the dispossessed, and it is potent.

Note: Trump is not my man, nor do I believe he is best qualified to be president. With my money and active participation in the caucus and delegate process, I supported Paul the elder. We sort of know what happened to him. Paul the younger is languishing in low single digits. I, like everyone else, am striving to understand and explain the Trump phenomenon.

 

[Dennisch]

I, like everyone else, am striving to understand and explain the Trump phenomenon.

I suspect that a considerable amount of votes are protest votes against the same old story told by the Demopublicans.

 

[Dotini]

I suspect that a considerable amount of votes are protest votes against the same old story told by the Demopublicans.

Exactly. The fear of the commons is that they have been betrayed by the establishment.

 

[Sanji Himura]

Yeah there's too many Trump supporters here. What makes Trump a viable person for the seat of the President of the United States?

I'm a Cruz man personally (yeah, I made my endorsement), but generally speaking, @Dotini pretty much nailed what is driving the Trump story right now.

 

[ukfan758]

I'm a Cruz man personally (yeah, I made my endorsement), but generally speaking, @Dotini pretty much nailed what is driving the Trump story right now.

Is that also why Cruz and Carson also have higher numbers?

 

[Sanji Himura]

Is that also why Cruz and Carson have also had higher numbers?

I've seen one analysis (I can't find it off hand) that basically states that Cruz is playing the delegate game. He might not be so focused on Iowa at the moment, but he is actively campaigning in states where the delegate distribution might not be winner take all.

That said, if Carson doesn't win Iowa, like a lot of other different candidates, he may just drop out.

Also consider that Cruz declared candidacy first, bypassing the exploratory committee, so he may have an active jump in campaign time over the others.

So in reality it is all dependent on the Iowa results, and the resulting fallout if Cruz and or Carson stay in it.

 

[Pupik]

Vote TRUMP if you know what's good for you. And if you don't like it, you can get out with all the illegal immigrants.

That's funny, you never hear liberals telling people who don't agree with them to get out of their country. After all, they have a stranglehold on media, schools, lobbyists, entertainment, advertising, voting machines...

I think Donald Trump has forgotten there's a lot more to the the documents our Founding Fathers than just free speech and gun rights (well, there's boring things about post roads and congressional pay raises, too). He's really bad for the Republican Party, as he seems hellbent on splintering "his" party, and potentially handing the Dems another four years in the White House. And you won't be able to blame anybody but him and his supporters for that, without cosmically missing the point.

Whether he's a troll or not, Trump seems like an atrocious and obnoxious American. It used to be that you had to uncover things like him, but he's put out everything in the open for exposure.

I am not leaving, even if he gets elected. To hell with his talk - if he sets up that slippery slope, the next group that pisses him off could be sent away too. And if you don't like him, what happens next? When and where does it stop...give centralized government that kind of power and you can put your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye.

That is, if it isn't already planted deep within its realm.

 

[GTPorsche]

Everyday he says something new, and everyday he ends up looking more and more like a potential dictator.

 

[Akira AC]

Isn't kind of dangerous what Trump is doing right now?

A ban on Muslims, the implications (and potential repercussions) are pretty clear, I don't think the American public is that ignorant, I'm checking polls and it seems like the most likely candidate to be in the oval office.

This could even be historical because even Reagan wasn't that stupid, and Reagan almost triggered nuclear war with the Soviet Union. But imagine that, it goes so bad that some states will try to secede from the union, he in power could even mean a dissolution or restructuring of the United States.

 

[Danoff]

That's funny, you never hear liberals telling people who don't agree with them to get out of their country.

Except when they talk about taxes or guns, then suddenly if you don't like it you can move out.

 

[Swagger897]

Isn't kind of dangerous what Trump is doing right now?

A ban on Muslims, the implications (and potential repercussions) are pretty clear, I don't think the American public is that ignorant, I'm checking polls and it seems like the most likely candidate to be in the oval office.

This could even be historical because even Reagan wasn't that stupid, and Reagan almost triggered nuclear war with the Soviet Union. But imagine that, it goes so bad that some states will try to secede from the union, he in power could even mean a dissolution or restructuring of the United States.

That's taking it all a bit too far out of context...

 

[Pupik]

Except when they talk about taxes or guns, then suddenly if you don't like it you can move out.

Pretty dumb things to tell people to move out about, honestly. You don't have to own or buy a gun. Somebody has to pay the bill, we can't all duck out on the Uncle Sam's Restaurant guest check.

I take the "if you don't like it, leave it" statements as game theory - everyone's offended by something or someone - and thus, the center holds. But when someone desiring power is actually threatening that, it's kind of scary.

I don't think he can do it, but it's not wise to tempt those which already have stirred-up hatred for this week's version of "American Values".

 

[Akira AC]

That's taking it all a bit too far out of context...

I'm aware is a bit of an exaggeration, however is likely that the States will be divided (not seceded from the union), this means that some states will receive refugees (like what's going on at the moment), terrorists will obviously not target such states but rather the more secluded places through the US.

 

[HELLAFLUSH240SX]

I suspect that a considerable amount of votes are protest votes against the same old story told by the Demopublicans.

I assume you mean the social policies of the democrats? historically economies have always done better under Dems. While I agree there are some SJW ways of thinking that are tied in with Progressives(Regressive left) but a majority of Dems aren't Progressives. They are usually centrists, with a growing popularity in more liberal ideas. Also to @Akira AC Reagan wouldn't even get 1% in today's Republican race. The Republicans have went to the far right and mostly focus on social issues or wedge issues. I find it funny because Repblicans attack Dems as being bleeding hearts and wanting to over fix all the worlds norms but they are the ones who cater to the wedge issues of today(abortion, gay marriage, etc)

 

[TenEightyOne]

this means that some states will receive refugees (like what's going on at the moment), terrorists will obviously not target such states...

This is the wrong thread for a full response to that... but that's crazy and completely wrong, I think.

In other news, the gusty Trump claims that parts of London are so radicalised that officers of the law fear for their lives (BBC).

 

[Johnnypenso]

I'm aware is a bit of an exaggeration, however is likely that the States will be divided (not seceded from the union), this means that some states will receive refugees (like what's going on at the moment), terrorists will obviously not target such states but rather the more secluded places through the US.

California is about as left wing as it gets in the U.S. these days and the terrorists had no qualms about attacking them. I think you're a little off the mark as to whom the terrorists think is the bad guy.

 

[Akira AC]

California is about as left wing as it gets in the U.S. these days and the terrorists had no qualms about attacking them. I think you're a little off the mark as to whom the terrorists think is the bad guy.

The whole point of Terrorism is Fear, if the San Bernardino attack was a Jihad based one, then it completed its objective.

If it is symbolical, then the point the terrorist are trying to make is that "no one is safe", if someone complies to that idea (i.e. Trump) then they are going to attack the people who are afraid the most, which would be the first ones to isolate themselves from "terrorism". Take for example Germany, it has the greatest amount of refugees in the EU and thus far is the only state not to be under real terrorism threat.

I understand that there are leftist states through the US, the terrorists however don't care about who are they attacking, but rather the symbolic message they are trying to send. And there will be a point when terrorist decide to do real Terrorism, and they'll strike at the core of the US safe haven they will probably will create for themselves to feel safe.