Porsche Macan (huh?)

[GTPorsche]

Same difference.

No, it's not.

 

[JR98]

No, it's not.

Well. At the time all I saw was a fancier looking Cheyenne, I had no idea it was smaller at the time

 

[GTboyz]

Isn't it called "Cayenne" not "Cheyenne" ?

 

[GTPorsche]

Yes, a Cheyenne was a Chevy pickup. A Cayenne is a Porsche SUV.

 

[Omnis]

One is named after a pepper. The other is named after a stripper.

 

[GTboyz]

Well, the similiarities is that both are hot. One is literally hot and the other is subjectively hot.

Differences, one is spicy and the other can be sassy.

 

[Keef]

Differences, one is spicy and the other can be sassy.

Cheyenne might be spicy too depending on where she's been lately. It comes and goes.

 

[Turbo]

2019 Macan Spied:

Updates include:

• Facelifted exterior (new grille, headlights)
• Safety features like Night Vision Assist and Lane Assist to be added.
• Plug-in hybrid likely to join the Macan family.
• (Possibly) more power

https://www.carscoops.com/2018/05/2019-porsche-macan-shows-off-updated-exterior-still-shy-rear/

 

[-Fred-]

Wow that's an ugly facelift.

 

[JohnBM01]

I sometimes can't tell between the Cayenne and the Macan. I have seen the Macan on the road before. Only difference I could tell style-wise is the Macan having some blacked out panels above the side skirts. It's still a nice looking machine to me.

 

[TenEightyOne]

2019 Macan Spied:

Updates include:

• Facelifted exterior (new grille, headlights)
• Safety features like Night Vision Assist and Lane Assist to be added.
• Plug-in hybrid likely to join the Macan family.
• (Possibly) more power

https://www.carscoops.com/2018/05/2019-porsche-macan-shows-off-updated-exterior-still-shy-rear/

Looks like they accidentally let a new-gen Scirroco out to stud in a field of new-gen Beetles.

 

[Danoff]

https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/26/18240862/porsche-macan-electric-ev-production-taycan

Going all electric in the future and... that does nothing to dissuade me from loving it. In fact, that addresses my one complaint at this point.

 

[kikie]

Exciting news for electric car fans.

 

[lancia delta hf]

https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/26/18240862/porsche-macan-electric-ev-production-taycan

Going all electric in the future and... that does nothing to dissuade me from loving it. In fact, that addresses my one complaint at this point.

How long after we go all electric they then start telling us ICE is the way to go in the future?

 

[Danoff]

How long after we go all electric they then start telling us ICE is the way to go in the future?

It's not going to happen. The ICE is a rather awkward piece of technology that requires a great deal of maintenance and control mechanisms. It's wonderful, don't get me wrong. I love that humanity came up with it. But it's not the elegant solution that electric vehicles are. They're quite clearly the way forward.

 

[ProjectWHaT]

Macan EV spotted for the first time

https://www.motor1.com/news/449635/2022-porsche-macan-electric-spied/

It's riding on the all new Premium Platform Electric (PPE) platform that will be used on all lifted premium cars in the Volkswagen Group

 

[FT-1]

Would be great if the Macan EV mimics the clean but futuristic styling of the Taycan.

In other words, I hope that front bumper isn't on the final design!

 

[ProjectWHaT]

Clay model of the Macan EV in the background of this shot

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/porsche-macan-electric-crossover-teaser-clay-model/

https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/2020/products/porsche-unseen-design-studies-car-visions-22860.html

 

[ProjectWHaT]

New photos of the Macan EV

Debuting in 2022, the all-electric Macan will likely go by a fresh name to distance itself from the combustion-engined model, which is expected to go out of production as early as 2024.

Never mind the stickers slapped onto the front to mimic the headlights because the real ones are already visible and take after those of the Taycan and the Mission E concept before it. Interestingly, the prototypes are also carrying around an extra set of lights mounted lower in the bumper, which makes us think those are the main clusters and the upper ones are only for the daytime running lights.

The prototypes are not exactly pretty what with the extra body cladding and an unusual melange of old and new body parts. We do get to see the retractable rear spoiler in action, along with Porsche's now typical fake exhaust tips it installs on electric prototypes to show Germans do have a sense of humor. The quarter window is nothing more than a sticker to hide the rear glass, and it would appear the Macan EV will have a more sloped roofline judging by the inclination of the tailgate, giving it a sportier look.

There is a fair amount of extra disguise on the derrière and we're fairly certain those dotted taillights are not the final setup. The positioning of the third brake light has changed compared to the gasoline-fueled Macan where it's mounted in the roof spoiler like on virtually most cars that have a tailgate. The prototypes are riding on large 21-inch wheels wrapped in winter tires.

Riding on the Premium Platform Electric (PPE) architecture, the silent Porsche Macan will be a sportier and more expensive alternative to the Q6 E-Tron as part of a tie-up between Porsche and Audi to develop the new platform. Unlike the lesser MEB hardware, PPE-based electric vehicles will accommodate rear-wheel steering, air suspension, torque vectoring, and support for 350-kW charging thanks to the 800V setup like the Taycan and E-Tron GT.

2023 Porsche Macan Electric Spied Looking Like A Diamond In The Rough

Porsche has been caught testing several prototypes of the all-electric Macan featuring a retractable rear spoiler and a fake pair of exhaust tips.

www.motor1.com

 

[ProjectWHaT]

2024 Porsche Macan EV Will Have 603 HP And Over 738 LB-FT

Porsche has released technical specifications for the all-electric Macan, which will use a 100-kWh battery and charge at over 270 kW.

www.motor1.com

2024 Porsche Macan EV to bring 603bhp and 100kWh battery | Autocar

Jaguar I-Pace rival also gets rear steering, 270kW charging and highly focused chassis set-up

www.autocar.co.uk

The Macan EV has been delayed a year due to software issues. In the meantime, they have announced technical specs

Porsche had planned to commence sales in 2023 but recently decided to delay the EV due to problems encountered by Volkswagen Group's software division Cariad.

Antoon Janssen, Porsche powertrain manager for the Macan line, told Autocar that it intends for the Macan EV – based on the new Premium Platform Electric (PPE) – to be the sportiest car in its class.

As such, it receives a pair of permanently excited electric motors – one per axle – similar to those used in the Porsche Taycan.

However, these have been heavily reworked to boost power density and efficiency, featuring a new ‘double V’ magnet arrangement and switching from a silicon semiconductor to silicon-carbide. The latter reduces switching losses – effectively power leakage – in the motors’ pulse inverters.

These improvements yield power outputs up to 603bhp, with more than 738lb ft of torque, delivered to all four wheels.

Rear-wheel drive is also possible on the PPE platform, said Janssen, although this will initially only be used to decouple the front motor when cruising to reduce rolling resistance (and conserve energy).

Dynamics have also been a point of emphasis for the Macan EV. Model chassis manager Dominik Hartmann confirmed that it will have a ‘performance rear axle’, with the motor mounted as far back as possible. This gives a weight distribution of 48% at the front and 52% at the rear, to maximise traction. For reference, the Taycan’s mass is divided 49:51 front to rear.

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All variants will receive a 100kWh lithium ion battery, which, Porsche stated, is the optimum size for minimising journey times. The company has offered no range prediction, but an optional 93kWh battery gives the lower Taycan enough power for 314 miles per charge. The PPE platform’s 800V architecture allows maximum charging rates exceeding 270kW.

However, trick hardware and software developments mean that the battery can respond to 400V chargers (such as home wallboxes) by splitting the single 800V battery into two halves. This boosts charging speeds, said Janssen, although he did not confirm how significant this impact was.

Janssen also confirmed that the PPE platform could be extended to fit more battery modules. The Macan uses 12 prismatic cells. This implies that the eventual Porsche Cayenne EV (which is tipped to also use the PPE platform) could have an even greater battery capacity in order to compete with the Mercedes-Benz EQS SUV.

 

[05XR8]

Sooooo, they're morphing into 6/5 hot hatches.

 

[ProjectWHaT]

Macan EV

The 2024 Porsche Macan Turbo Has 630 All-Electric Horsepower

For the second generation of its big-selling small crossover, Porsche is going electric. Today it debuts in Macan 4 and Macan Turbo guises.

www.motor1.com

The German brand just unveiled its new EV crossover in two guises, the 402-horsepower Macan 4 and the 630-hp Macan Turbo. This is a big deal.

Underpinning the second-generation Macan is a platform co-developed with Audi. Called Premium Platform Electric (PPE), this platform uses an 800-volt electrical architecture and will make the basis for the upcoming Audi A6 and Q6 EVs, and likely, an all-electric Porsche Cayenne.

The battery uses Lithium-Nickel Manganese Cobalt cells arranged in 12 modules for a net capacity of 95 kWh (100 kWh gross). Porsche was the first automaker to make an 800-volt production EV with the Taycan, and this higher-voltage architecture allows for a reduction in copper usage and faster charging speeds. Find an 800-volt DC charger and the Macan can charge at up to 270 kW. If you plug into a 400-volt charger, the battery pack effectively splits in half and charges in parallel, reducing charge times significantly.

Both the Macan 4 and Macan Turbo use permanent-magnet synchronous motors at each axle, and the rear motor is rotated 180 degrees to ensure a slightly rear-biased weight distribution. In the Macan 4, they combine for 402 hp and 479 lb-ft, while in the Macan Turbo, you get 630 hp and 833 lb-ft of torque. (All those figures are achieved with “overboost,” which is only available for a limited time when using Launch Control.) Speaking of acceleration, Porsche says the Macan 4 can run from 0-60 mph in 4.9 seconds, while the Turbo does it in 3.1 seconds. Top speeds are 136 and 161 mph, respectively.

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The Macan 4 starts at $80,450, nearly $19,000 more than the internal-combustion base model. The Turbo is $106,950, $18,500 more than the current, range-topping GTS.

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Porsche will continue production of the gas-powered, first-generation Macan for the US market for some time. Production of that model has ended for Europe over new EU cybersecurity regulations, but Porsche can still sell it here.

 

[Rossell2]

I don't know if it's a little too rounded for me but not bad.

 

[TheCracker]

$80k (£70k i've seen quoted for UK price, Euro price no doubt similar) seems an awful lot for a base model in this size segment

 

[Keef]

I'm sure Porsche has great CFD and wind tunnel tech, and there are a few little tricks at the rear for aero efficiency, but somehow I don't expect this car to be particularly efficient. Evidence is the Taycan is notably less efficient than a Model S. The best Taycan has a CD of .22 to Tesla's .208, and the wagon Taycan is .27 which is pretty terrible for low, long EV, but good for a conventional wagon. The Mustang Mach E is .285, worse as expected but in the ballpark for a wagon tail.

Edit: Actually read the article and they're claiming a .25 CD. The Tesla Model X is .24, the Model Y is .23.

You can see how high the Model X's spoiler deploys and the resulting steeply raked chord line from leading edge to trailing edge. The S and Y both have similarly steep chord lines, from a very low nose to a very high tail. Unless this Macan's spoiler deploys quite high, it just doesn't have that wedge shape necessary for super low drag. The Merc EQS and Lucid Air also have this same steep rake while the Taycan also lacks the rake, even with its spoiler deployed. It's even got conventional door handles.

Anyways, I think Porsche's native design is inherently compromised and they're going to struggle in the EV era. The brand's identity - and the identities of any other performance brand - might get lost or at least become muddy at best. They're really going to have to lean into the "brand" hard because the actual substance simply won't be there.

Every company will be capable of making high-performance EVs that are fast and handle well. The problem with increasing the performance of EVs, like downforce, aggressive styling, wider tires, better brake cooling, is that they all add drag, and when effiency is of utmost importance, adding that drag basically kills the EV's usefulness as a car. Overall efficiency drops rapidly and ultimately it becomes a much worse car. ICE sports cars don't quite suffer from this - the 992's range is well over 400 miles of highway driving so slapping on some GT3 wings and brakes and horsepower just results in a lower but still perfectly useful range. And the best part is, it performs in a way that normal cars can't.

The future of Porsche is basically building cars that normal cars can match, but in an effort to increase handling performance the Porsche will actually get notably worse than those normal cars in really important metrics like range and efficiency. That'll be less of an issue with advanced lightweight battery tech but honestly that's a really long ways away. The next 10+ years are going to be kind of a mess unless they actually stop going full-EV and focus on hybrids instead. Porsche has basically skipped that step entirely besides the 918. Speaking of which, apparently the 918 got about 22 mpg combined which is about the same as a 992.

Can you imagine a 911 Turbo where the gas engine drives the rear wheels and a hybrid system drives the front? You get your launches, you get your short EV jaunts, you get your torque fill, you get lower weight than an EV (and about the same as a mechanical AWD system), you get gasoline range and noise and feel. You also get like 30 mpg combined. Now, can you imagine a 911 Turbo that weighs over 4000 pounds, isn't any quicker than a $50,000 Tesla sedan, and gets 100 fewer miles of range because they had to save weight using a smaller battery?

 

[R55NA]

Front end looks fantastic.

Price tag is horrendous. I want to meet the person choosing to spend £90k on one of these over literally anything else.

 

[AudiMan2011]

Rear end just looks really weird with that steeply raked screen against the rest of the silhouette