Porsche's Contract With EA

[05XR8]

If their is a Porsche how many versions where there of a single model where the only differences are a rear wing and stripes?
I would only care about the LMP1 cars.
Dont care much about the 911, boxer and that stupid SUV thing.

A Cayman might be the one. It can be tuned to fit road car to LMP(as its MR layout, is ideal in all aspects of Motorsport).
Sure, a 911 can be tuned the same. It can even be tuned to WRC. As an LMP? Might be a bit awkward. Then again, Fantasy is PD's middle name.

 

[NRG MBL59]

How bout just an actual LMP1 from a company that actually makes LMP1s?

Gr.1 - 919 Hybrid
Gr.3 - 911 GT3 R
Gr.4 - Cayman GT4 MR/Clubsport
Gr. N - 911 GT3 RS

Easy as.

 

[05XR8]

How bout just an actual LMP1 from a company that actually makes LMP1s?

Gr.1 - 919 Hybrid
Gr.3 - 911 GT3 R
Gr.4 - Cayman GT4 MR/Clubsport
Gr. N - 911 GT3 RS

Easy as.

This is PD. Remember?

Gr.1 - Porsche VGT
Gr.3 - 911 GT3 R(SR) I'm still calling a Manthey-Racing 911
Gr.4 - Cayman(Gr.4 tuned, no specific model designation)
Gr.N- Boxster S( because PD dare to be different)

 

[NRG MBL59]

If PD were as bad as you're making out there shouldn't be a single real car in the game

 

[05XR8]

If PD were as bad as you're making out there shouldn't be a single real car in the game

Gr.N/4/3 C7 Stingray
Gr.N/3/B Mustang

Things we think are logical for the car list, PD do it in a way that we scratch our heads. You mentioned "Easy as." I wish it was. Not so much with PD.

 

[Soundtrack]

Sure, a 911 can be tuned the same. It can even be tuned to WRC. As an LMP? Might be a bit awkward.

How is a 911 LMP more/less awkward than a Cayman one? Sure PD could put in the 911 GT1 1998 Le Mans winner in there. Quite a number of iconic real cars from other manufacturers in that category too!

 

[NRG MBL59]

Gr.N/4/3 C7 Stingray
Gr.N/3/B Mustang

Things we think are logical for the car list, PD do it in a way that we scratch our heads. You mentioned "Easy as." I wish it was. Not so much with PD.

Gr.N being the stock cars (as in the real ones).
There are made up cars yes but there's also a ton of real ones and if Porsche does show up I doubt they'd let PoDi muck around and misrepresent them. Porsche is very keen on gaming nowadays and you can bet they'd rather let PoDi scan a 2014 or 2015 919 than let them butcher a 911 into an overpowered fantasy machine.

Personally I wouldn't be against a 911 Gr.1 as I doubt I'll touch Gr.1 but you gotta be a bit realistic about this.

 

[05XR8]

How is a 911 LMP more/less awkward than a Cayman one? Sure PD could put in the 911 GT1 1998 Le Mans winner in there. Quite a number of iconic real cars from other manufacturers in that category too!

I mentioned why in my post. MR layout is more ideal.
So far, the oldest car in the game, is from 2009. Gr.1 being fairly new cars, I guess a newer LMP Porsche.

Gr.N being the stock cars (as in the real ones).
There are made up cars yes but there's also a ton of real ones and if Porsche does show up I doubt they'd let PoDi muck around and misrepresent them. Porsche is very keen on gaming nowadays and you can bet they'd rather let PoDi scan a 2014 or 2015 919 than let them butcher a 911 into an overpowered fantasy machine.

Personally I wouldn't be against a 911 Gr.1 as I doubt I'll touch Gr.1 but you gotta be a bit realistic about this.

I am realistic. I'm sticking to the Manthey-Racing 911. I've also seen some wacky real life Porsche's in the past(944 wagon, 928 4-door).
If Porsche makes it in the game I'm happy for the cars you listed, to make it in the game.
I'm just going by PDs history- with a bit of humour.

 

[NRG MBL59]

I get the humor, I've been thru the PoDi rodeo since the hype disaster of GT5

I just don't expect Porsche to be hands off on what gets included.

 

[dacc10]

Highly demanded by fans hasn't meant much in the past, don't see why it would mean much in the future. Fans have been banging the drums for a premium Supra and an E30 BMW among many other cars for a long, long time and they have yet to arrive. Same with Pike's Peak, El Capitan, Costa di Amalfi and they have yet to show up in premium form either. Kaz dances to his own tune, that should be clear by now, otherwise we'd have a whole different game coming as well.

Well then, we just cross our arms and wait for something to happen?
And if the game was made accordingly to the demands of the players, we sure would have a completely different game. Remember the joke of past week about a game called "Forzaturismocorsaprojectspeedclub" os something like that? That's what you would get, plus bikes, and who knows what more. The list of demands is huge, if we count all of them and put it together.

If their is a Porsche how many versions where there of a single model where the only differences are a rear wing and stripes?
I would only care about the LMP1 cars.
Dont care much about the 911, boxer and that stupid SUV thing.

So, give me an example of any car where the difference is just "rear wing and stripes". Apart from the M6 GT3, which is right now the only duplicate with minor differences.

A Cayman might be the one. It can be tuned to fit road car to LMP(as its MR layout, is ideal in all aspects of Motorsport).
Sure, a 911 can be tuned the same. It can even be tuned to WRC. As an LMP? Might be a bit awkward. Then again, Fantasy is PD's middle name.

Why would a Cayman become an LMP? Porsche has an LMP car, so unless there was any licensing problem with it, it would be prioritise.

This is PD. Remember?

Gr.1 - Porsche VGT
Gr.3 - 911 GT3 R(SR) I'm still calling a Manthey-Racing 911
Gr.4 - Cayman(Gr.4 tuned, no specific model designation)
Gr.N- Boxster S( because PD dare to be different)

Porsche wouldn't benefit much from doing a LMP1 type VGT. They already have modern LMP1 cars, why would they bother designing something similar?

Why would PD model two different models for Gr4 and Gr.N? A Cayman makes more sense in both cases, even a 911 makes more sense. And why just 4 cars? Not only 4 cars, but the least "important" cars from their whole range. If they pay for aa Porsche license, they should get the good stuff (918, 911 R/Turbo/GT3, Cayman/GT4, Panamera Turbo, 919 Hybrid and as you said 911 GT3 R/RSR).

 

[GTP_Rex2000]

It should be DLC, the manufacturer has not been represented before why make the gamer pay ten dollars for something that Porsche should want to be in!! If it delays the game any longer I wont buy it. I am getting grey hair now and may not be able to hold the paddles much longer. PD, if Porsche does not come to you and say put us in your game then just forget them and give us the game.

 

[05XR8]

Why would a Cayman become an LMP? Porsche has an LMP car, so unless there was any licensing problem with it, it would be prioritise.



Porsche wouldn't benefit much from doing a LMP1 type VGT. They already have modern LMP1 cars, why would they bother designing something similar?

Why would PD model two different models for Gr4 and Gr.N? A Cayman makes more sense in both cases, even a 911 makes more sense. And why just 4 cars? Not only 4 cars, but the least "important" cars from their whole range. If they pay for aa Porsche license, they should get the good stuff (918, 911 R/Turbo/GT3, Cayman/GT4, Panamera Turbo, 919 Hybrid and as you said 911 GT3 R/RSR).

Ever play PCars? I have. This reminds me of the GT1.

The person's quote I answered, asked if there were a Porsche, which version could be used where only wings would be the difference and only wanted to use LMP. I gave my answer and why.

Why did Kaz model his GT3 and not a famous race Porsche? He could have modelled a historic Porsche since he had classic cars in GT2.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Well then, we just cross our arms and wait for something to happen?
And if the game was made accordingly to the demands of the players, we sure would have a completely different game. Remember the joke of past week about a game called "Forzaturismocorsaprojectspeedclub" os something like that? That's what you would get, plus bikes, and who knows what more. The list of demands is huge, if we count all of them and put it together.

Overcomplicated. Most people, I'd guess a vast, vast majority, would be happy with GT7, with a good offline career including better, and scalable, AI, eSports and the rest of what is already planned.

 

[Fredzy]

Overcomplicated. Most people, I'd guess a vast, vast majority, would be happy with GT7, with a good offline career including better, and scalable, AI, eSports and the rest of what is already planned.

I believe PD was trying to get away from the traditional GT game model with GT Sport because it's a loser. The market isn't what it used to be. Building a full-featured, traditional GT with 1000+ cars and 30+ tracks on PS4 for $60 is not the slam-dunk Idea that it was up to PS3. GT6's halved sales are only one data point, but I suspect market research gives them reason to trust it as an indicator for the future.

The gap between GT Sport as we know it and a traditional GT game is probably smaller than most would think - aside from car and track content. I think PD is restructuring the game to close that gap right now, hence the delay. Releasing GTS and then GT7 a year or two later is something I couldn't imagine ever working out with PD. I believe GTS will be the seventh proper GT game, (Kaz has alluded so) and maybe the only GT to come to PS4. Even if it launches with the eventually planned 500 cars It will be widely panned for having less content than GT6, so we can only hope they focus on quality and depth over quantity. For the record, I am not optimistic about depth. Or really anything, honestly.

On fantasy cars in competition - all of the GT6 quick match events that use loaner cars (sports car, GT3, LMP's/Group C's) feature mostly or only real cars. I think we're seeing lots of fantasy cars is GTS to showcase them, but also because they will be there to fill gaps and add variety in manufacturer representations for that side of FIA competition. The early days of GTS will be a lot of experimenting with different events. Which events work, how to balance the competition and so on will take some trial and error. I don't expect to see the real-world GT3's duking it out with VGT's in the top-level FIA championships. But it will start out as an experiment - so maybe if it works and everyone likes it they will! I personally believe any manufacturer or nationality based competition is doomed. Being locked into an noncompetitive car when winning matters - people won't show up to race.

At any rate, fantasy cars are as much a part of Gran Turismo as adjusting camber and ride height to opposite or no effect. For GTS the "eSports-centric game" they don't make sense. For GTS the "proper GT7" they are a requirement as far as I'm concerned.

 

[dacc10]

Overcomplicated. Most people, I'd guess a vast, vast majority, would be happy with GT7, with a good offline career including better, and scalable, AI, eSports and the rest of what is already planned.

I know, to me that would be the preference too. But there are people who ask for a lot more than that. Even in this forum, some people prefer the smaller car list, and the online focused game, believe it or not. Hopefully, after the game is released, we get content that turns the game into something close to what GT7 would be, with the possibility of GTS being the only PS4 GT.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

If Porsche has an high demand from the GT player base, then it's likely that PD seeks Porsche. Only then they will see if a possible deal is worth it. If they are aware of the changes, we don't know, only when someone gets an interview or manages to talk to someone from PD about that subject, we will see.

Here's some other high-demand cars.

It doesn't change anything.

The thing is, there's no logical reason for them to not want their cars in GT. Fictional cars don't seem like a reason, since they won't hurt their sales nor image. One might say "Oh Porsche won't like seeing their 919 loose to a VGT car", that shouldn't be a problem, wouldn't it be the exact same "problem" for them to loose against an older LMP1? And some will say "that's why we need all the LMP1 from the same year", but then again, the class would be limited to 3 cars (4 at max).
Any other possible reasons?

That's actually quite a fine logical reason. You may not like it, but that's another matter. The idea that Porsche's two-time-winning Le Mans racer could be rendered uncompetitive against a bunch of fantasy cars could very well be enough for them to not want to play ball. Or maybe it won't bother them. But we don't know — nor do we know which situation is more likely.

Sure, they could want a bigger representation of their older cars, but we don't know what are the planes for the future of the game. Will the game feature classes of classic road/race cars? For now, we don't know, but it is likely since they keep giving the prizes in the Concourse d'Elegance and they had already moddeled some pretty exclusive cars. Who knows if after they complete these 5 main classes/groups, they will add some more.

The more games they have their cars in, the wider they can spread the range of new and old cars through those games. GTS would not have crossovers (atleast now), but has space for Caymans, Boxters, Panameras, "base" 911s (non-GT3/GT3 RS/Turbo/R), and anything that usually gets skipped in other games. And of course the high-end sports cars/supercars.

GT Sport, in its current form, can't include "anything that usually gets skipped in other games" though. As I mentioned, it caters to new cars and new cars only. Maybe that will change, but from everything we know about the game currently, that is its singular focus.

Doesn't make AC the better game, compared to the others, because Porsche chose them, or the others "less appealling" though.

It's a good thing I didn't say AC is the better game for it then.

It does make the other franchises less appealing, though: if they were more so, Porsche would've approached them. Porsche sought out Kunos. It was their choice. If they wanted to have PD, T10, or even the team behind iRacing, they would have approached them instead. Now, it's possible they approached any or all of them before Kunos, and all of them said "no", but that seems unlikely (especially in T10's case, since they've had limited access to Porsche for a while now).

Porsche wouldn't benefit much from doing a LMP1 type VGT. They already have modern LMP1 cars, why would they bother designing something similar?

Why would PD model two different models for Gr4 and Gr.N? A Cayman makes more sense in both cases, even a 911 makes more sense. And why just 4 cars? Not only 4 cars, but the least "important" cars from their whole range. If they pay for aa Porsche license, they should get the good stuff (918, 911 R/Turbo/GT3, Cayman/GT4, Panamera Turbo, 919 Hybrid and as you said 911 GT3 R/RSR).

Chevrolet has a modern Corvette race car. Polyphony modelled their own Gr.3 rendition instead.
Ford has a modern GT3-class race car (the GT). Polyphony modelled a Gr.3 Mustang instead.
Peugeot has a modern rally car (one Kaz has even hinted at including years ago). Polyphony modelled a Gr.B RCZ instead.

PD modelled two different BMW's for Gr.3 (three, technically). They've modelled two different Fords for Gr.B. Two Merc's for Gr.3 (maybe three, depending on where the VGT ends up).

What I'm trying to say is, there's no real rhyme or reason with the cars already included in the game, so it's pointless trying to apply logic to what might be added.

 

[05XR8]

Look at what PCars has with Ginetta recently. Using one car for esporrs rather than BoP different cars.
GT uses Nissan in GT Academy. Nissan are still keen to sponsor GT Academy.
I thought the changing of brands was near, as Kaz drove the M6 GT3.
Mercedes had sponsored the AMG Academy in GT5. No doubt to promote the SLS AMG(there was a separate GT5 AMG video with Bernd Schneider driving one).
Maybe Porsche would want to be separated in the game, like in Forza6. Have its own mode to showcase its cars, but not participate with others. Similar to Porsche Carrera Cup.

 

[Grayfox]

So, give me an example of any car where the difference is just "rear wing and stripes". Apart from the M6 GT3, which is right now the only duplicate with minor differences.

996 GT3

996 GT3 RS

The GT3 RS has the stripes on the bottom which is just a texture change for the game and a different rear wing which is a easy model to add.

 

[Conquerer]

996 GT3

996 GT3 RS

The GT3 RS has the stripes on the bottom which is just a texture change for the game and a different rear wing which is a easy model to add.

That's a completely different car... Different headlights, front bumper, sideskirts, wheels, and that's just what's very noticeable to the eye.

 

[ScottPuss20]

Why would PD want to screw with Porsches? It makes no sense to me at all.

 

[05XR8]

Why would PD want to screw with Porsches? It makes no sense to me at all.

Kaz did I with the C7. He fell in love with it at Willow Springs. Yet, he gave us fantasy C6 race cars in GT6 and another fantasy in GTS. Why would anyone do this to such an iconic brand?

 

[NRG MBL59]

It'd only be an affront to the brand if those cars were rubbish, which in the case of the Z06/ZR1 RMs they weren't and I'd expect the C7 Gr.3 to be as good if not better.

 

[dacc10]

996 GT3

996 GT3 RS

The GT3 RS has the stripes on the bottom which is just a texture change for the game and a different rear wing which is a easy model to add.

I was talking about GTS... not real cars that have slight differences between them...

Edit: @SlipZtrEm I didn't see your answer before writing this message, so instead of double posting...

But why would their car be rendered uncompetitive against VGTs? If the cars are balanced, they are supposed to have similar performance, in terms of lap times. I don't see your point here, honestly.

Fair point, but that's why I said that in the future the game might see an expansion of its number of classes. Hypothetically speaking, they could even tell Porsche exactly that, to reassure that their most remarkable cars fit into the game.

I didn't say that you said AC was a better game. Instead I was making a point due to the fact that some people apparently see Porsche choosing AC was due to bing the best game, and that there might be many reasons involved in the deal.

Doesn't Forza have the exclusive license or something for the Ford GT GT3? I don't know if I'm making confusion with something else though, might be me.
The GT3 Corvette is by Callaway though, and someone said somewhere the C7.R is in a different class (GT LM I think).

Gr.B cars have different specs and designs, compared to the WRC cars. They are intended to be something closer to the original Group B rally machines.

Sure, you might say that with PD logic is never the safest bet, but still, I don't think they would loose the chance to have another Le Mans winner in the game.

 

[NRG MBL59]

There's no exclusive license for the Ford GT GT3.

The Ford GT GTE/GTLM however Forza got it first but there's been nothing said about it being exclusive.

C7.R is GTE/GTLM yes, Callaway builds the GT3 Corvettes (C7 GT3-R).

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

There's no exclusive license for the Ford GT GT3.

The Ford GT GTE/GTLM however Forza got it first but there's been nothing said about it being exclusive.

C7.R is GTE/GTLM yes, Callaway builds the GT3 Corvettes (C7 GT3-R).

There is no Ford GT GT3 either so not sure why it'd be exclusive.

EDIT: I should clarify there is no current GT GT3

 

[05XR8]

A Cayman might be the one. It can be tuned to fit road car to LMP(as its MR layout, is ideal in all aspects of Motorsport).
Sure, a 911 can be tuned the same. It can even be tuned to WRC. As an LMP? Might be a bit awkward. Then again, Fantasy is PD's middle name.

https://www.gtplanet.net/kunos-shuffles-final-porsche-pack-contents-911-gt3-rsr-arrives-in-january/
Well look at that.

Next year’s racing machine is an entirely different beast when compared to previous efforts, placing the 4.0-liter flat-six powerplant in front of the rear axle instead of behind it. You read that correctly, the 2017 racer ditches the iconic rear-engine layout and will instead favor a mid-mounted configuration

 

[NRG MBL59]

It's a GTE car....and asif Porsche would let them force a GTE 911 into Gr.1 when they have a LMP1.

 

[05XR8]

And its a GT car. So, it would work for Gr.3. Besides, the Evo and WRX are tuned for Gr.3 when they are Production race cars. Anything is possible. If it doesn't happen, no biggie. Again, I'm fine with a Porsche 919 LMP.

However, Porsche themselves have realistically "Gran Turismo'd" their own car. If they didn't want their 919 vs the old LMPs, whose to say they don't work with PD to make that mid-engine 911 a Gr.1 spec? The article(with video) mentions...

We are right now working on our road map: Assetto Corsa will be one important pillar to do that, but of course there are other publishers and other platforms we work together with to provide our community with every possible way…

AC is PC gaming. Could be talking to Kaz(PD) in regards to GT Academy. Or T10. Maybe. Maybe not.

We might be waiting til mid 2017 for updates to GTS.

 

[NRG MBL59]

I've got AC on X1 tho?

Simply put I believe a 911 will not go into Gr.1 unless they decide to put the GT1-98 into the game, IMHO.

 

[05XR8]

I've got AC on X1 tho?
.

At the moment, console players don't have access to all the Porsche content. Will console players be able to access the esport modes of the game?