Post-E3 Console Wars: There's Only One Way To Find Out

[CAMAROBOY69]

The off button comes in the form of me keeping my money and not having this thing in my house at all.

Touche'

Seriously? You don't value your privacy in your own home?

I have nothing to hide. Come on over. Just bring some beer and steaks. 👍

 

[Famine]

I noticed a few members are concerned or terrified that the X1 will be spying on them. Something about CCTV. I think its a bit exaggerated that the X1 will be "spying" on people in their home. Besides, if you are not doing anything illegal, why would that be a problem? They can spy on me all they want. I don't do anything illegal so I have nothing to hide.

Laws change. And they change fast when it comes to banning things.

 

[Samus]

Use the off button. Or even more fun, put a mirror in front of it. haha


Then shut it off. The Kinect can be shut off.

Besides, you think you have privacy anymore in this world? Type in your street address into google maps and tell me if privacy exists. You can literally walk around your house with that and its a public feature. Seriously some people are blowing this way out of proportion. It has an off button.

No you can't. Don't exaggerate. That is also not live, it's one static photo taken on whatever date. Hardly a spying device.

There may be ways around it but the point is it should be there in the first place.

 

[ZohsixGT5]

Almost every smartphone app you download these days has access to your camera. They can view it, and you accept the terms. No outrage there?

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

Laws change. And they change fast when it comes to banning things.

Not even sure what that means. Please clearify.

No you can't. Don't exaggerate. That is also not live, it's one static photo taken on whatever date. Hardly a spying device.

There may be ways around it but the point is it should be there in the first place.

You clearly have no idea how google maps works. When was the last time you visited google maps? It is not just a top down view anymore. It has been updated. You can literally click an icon out in the street "street view" and walk up and down the street, and zoom into your house. I could not believe it when I seen that. If you do it right, you can view your entire house.

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

You clearly have no idea how google maps works. When was the last time you visited google maps? You can literally click an icon out in the street and walk up and down the street, and zoom into your house. I could not believe it when I seen that.

I just went there basically just a blob where my house is. You can't tell much about the shape of the house, the color nor even how many cars are in the driveway. You can also see a blob of the big maple tree in my neighbors yard which btw was cut down last fall.

 

[Samus]

Not even sure what that means. Please clearify.

You clearly have no idea how google maps works. When was the last time you visited google maps? You can literally click an icon out in the street "street view" and walk up and down the street, and zoom into your house. I could not believe it when I seen that. If you do it right, you can view your entire house.

You can view the front of your house in static images from a few years ago, or whenever Google scanned your area. You can't "walk around it" as you claim. That isn't the same as bringing a camera and microphone into your living room.

 

[ZohsixGT5]

I think his point was it is not a live image, where as Kinect would be live.

Treed.

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

I just went there basically just a blob where my house is. You can't tell much about the shape of the house, the color nor even how many cars are in the driveway. You can also see a blob of the big maple tree in my neighbors yard which btw was cut down last fall.

Yours doesn't have the option for "street view"? If I type my address I get that option and can go around my entire house. Its quite shocking.

 

[Yukon]

Neither before E3, neither of them now.

I didn't have any intentions of moving to a next gen console in the first place, but after what I've seen, definitely not. I was so glad GT6 was announced as a PS3 release, that means I can continue to enjoy the series without having to buy an entirely new console with a ton of features I don't like and wouldn't even use.

What on earth is up with the XB1? Mandatory log ins? Mandatory Kinect camera? You must have an internet connection otherwise games will not work? What? Seriously? I didn't watch the reveal for the new Xbox, so can someone please tell me if they actually revealed all of this with a big smile on their faces thinking everyone would accept it?

 

[Famine]

Not even sure what that means.

Might want to look into legal processes then.

It means that today you might be doing nothing illegal, but tomorrow the same thing can be a crime - simply because someone somewhere decided it'd be great to ban this because children/terrorists.


It's frankly mindblowing that anyone wouldn't have a problem with a CCTV camera in their house, listening, watching heart rates and emotional states, recording what you do, when you do it, how often and communicating this to Microsoft - primarily to target you with advertising, but one National Security Letter or EULA that you blithely accept away from the NSA. It's even more stunning anyone would accept paying $500/£430 for this privilege.

The old "you have nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide" line trotted out by those with absolutely no concept of privacy and freedom is demonstrably false. You have everything to fear from tossing liberty away just so you can play Forza 5 or watch Halo.

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

Famine, Thanks for clearifying.

I don't have a Kinect for the 360. So why hasn't everyone been having this discussion with the current Kinect? Is the current Kinect spying on the community? Seriously just wondering. Maybe the Kinect 2.0 has something I am unaware of.

 

[Samus]

Yours doesn't have the option for "street view"? If I type my address I get that option and can go around my entire house. Its quite shocking.

It depends on your house location/layout I guess but on street view for my house unless they drove into my back garden there is no way they could see there. Just the front which is visible to anyone that walks or drives past.

Famine, Thanks for clearifying.

I don't have a Kinect for the 360. So why hasn't everyone been having this discussion with the current Kinect? Is the current Kinect spying on the community? Just wondering.

I don't have one either but the current Kinect is not even required, let alone required to always be on whilst you use the console.

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

It depends on your house location/layout I guess but on street view for my house unless they drove into my back garden there is no way they could see there. Just the front which is visible to anyone that walks or drives past.

I live in the city and I am surrounded by streets, thus, my entire house can be viewed and anyone else in the city.

As for Kinect 2.0, it can be turned off.

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

Yours doesn't have the option for "street view"? If I type my address I get that option and can go around my entire house. Its quite shocking.

Just for kicks I looked up my old house in New Jersey and the image is more detailed there. I can tell that there is a van in the driveway at the time the photo was taken and yes if I drag the little dude onto the map I can see some photos of the house.

Where I live though no such thing, no photos of my house other than the satellite image which is not a very high res, just looks like a bunch of blocks when you try to zoom in enough to see any detail at all and is probably a year or more old.

 

[UKMikey]

No it'd be simpler for Microsoft to remove this rubbish and that wouldn't be illegal too. They are not going to though so loads of people are not going to buy their system.

OK, not simpler. More likely though.

 

[Famine]

I live in the city and I am surrounded by streets, thus, my entire house can be viewed and anyone else in the city.

As for Kinect 2.0...

... it can tell Microsoft which cupboard you keep the Reese's in.

Not really comparable to StreetView, which blurs out faces and licence plates and is only shot from public places.

 

[finnracer]

My original stance was PS4 before E3 and also seriously considering an EggsBox later on when the price drops, mainly for Forza and some of the other exclusives.

However after E3 the former has not changed, the PS4 has comfortably exceeded my expectations which was a pleasant surprise. As for the latter, I feel MS have shot themselves in both feet multiple times, there's no other way to look at this. The CCTV, DRM, no sharing/used games, 24hr internet connection are simply unacceptable, the fact that they charge £430 for the privilege really does show their disregard for their customers.

 

[FLASH48]

Getting the PS4, but not to happy about multiplayer behind paywall. But i guess to play GT6 with friends i will have to live with it.

 

[Akira AC]

... it can tell Microsoft which cupboard you keep the Reese's in.

Not really comparable to StreetView, which blurs out faces and licence plates and is only shot from public places.

Is funny because is even worse, Kinect would have to ID your face, also your voice sample recorded into the system, and then uploaded so it would registry to MS servers for authentication.

Say, smoking becomes illegal in ... Britain(lets assume, hypotetically), so the thing will record you smoking, will know who you are, where you are and it will send the cops after you.

 

[fatkrakr]

I believe the X1 is going to sell very well to what I like to call the "look at me generation". You know they just love posting themselves on every single site that will let them. Their gonna love dancing and jumping and jackassin themselves all over youtube. That is fine, but they are also gonna be giving up alot of privacy in others area of their lives just to be todays newest youtube star. I have 3 boys from 19 to 26 I know this generation very well. Them and thier friends jump at every chance they get to act a fool on camera.

 

[mcfizzle]

Getting the PS4, but not to happy about multiplayer behind paywall. But i guess to play GT6 with friends i will have to live with it.

GT6 is on PS3 and not behind the pay wall.

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

I will ask again. Does the current Kinect have any issues with recording people in their homes? I asked a few posts back but we got side tracked with google maps.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

Getting the PS4, but not to happy about multiplayer behind paywall. But i guess to play GT6 with friends i will have to live with it.

Not sure where you heard you'll now have to pay to play PS3 games online. You don't.

 

[fatkrakr]

I will ask again. Does the current Kinect have any issues with recording people in their homes? I asked a few posts back but we got side tracked with google maps.

No because its not required to be hooked up to the 360. The 360 doesnt need to call home every 24 hrs.

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

I will ask again. Does the current Kinect have any issues with recording people in their homes? I asked a few posts back but we got side tracked with google maps.

Can't say for sure but I do not think so. I don't have one for my XBox but seeing that the XBox 360 does not require Kinect nor an active internet connection and that I have heard nothing about people complaining then I would say this is a new issue.

In my case that is just one of the issues that stop me from buying though.

 

[FLASH48]

Not sure where you heard you'll now have to pay to play PS3 games online. You don't.

Sorry about that! Meant if GT6 is ported to PS4!

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

Sorry about that! Meant if GT6 is ported to PS4!

I am not aware that there has been any indication of GT6 being ported to the PS4. I suppose it could happen but I think their time would be better spent working on GT7 for the PS4.

Of course there may be a possibility of streaming GT6 via cloud services to the PS4

 

[marxlien]

i'll be getting the ps4 when it gets a gran turismo, unless driveclub proves.to be aweosome.

 

[Akira AC]

I will ask again. Does the current Kinect have any issues with recording people in their homes?

Current Kinect and 360 do not need to authenticate every 24th hours to the main server, future kinect and voice activation implies a voice sample being recorded to the system so it knows you're activating it, having such a feature means that it will have to store a recording of your voice and put it into a "user" file. If the thing reads you and knows your content, it just means that it also takes a sample of your face and stores in the same thing on the "user" file.

Having the "user" file compiled by the xbox (which is pretty much and ID file), it will simply use the metrics you given to it and upload them so the system knows what you want, and the things you like. The problems is that it can know far too much, too much sensible information compromised, is not like Google which is limited to user input, this thing actually records you.

You still need more prof about why is this so worrisome for many?


Edit: Adding to that, Google allows you to use the "incognito" mode so it can stop taking metrics of things you might not want others to know, that is nowhere to be found with the Kinect 2.0.