Presidential Election: 2012
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Eisenhower was a republican and had the highest income tax rate in US history. Obviously his belief in God-given rights did not stop him from doing what needed to be done to make the country better for everyone in the future. Many presidents are the same way. Dub-ya is different, like Paul, and more I am sure. Their faith in whatever will/has lead them to make decisions that are not going to make the future better for every American. Bush took the US to war; Paul would staunchly defend his ideology to the point of suffering to no end... All in the name of God.
Religion is a great thing for an individual, but subjugating every person in a country to one's radical ideas solely based on religion is a bad thing.
He is cutting between 1-2% of the DoD budget I believe, around $5billion.
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You type this in seriousness (one assumes) right after denigrating Ron Paul for a belief in a deity and claiming that a President being "guided" by that deity is "truly scary" (ignoring that all Presidents at least as far back as the no-official-religion Abraham Lincoln - who allegedly converted to hardcore Bible reader in office - have been self-declared Christians)?
You also compare Paul to Dubya who "took us to war" without seemingly noticing that Paul wants to stop that and all other US involvement in wars and remove US service personnel from foreign soil or that Obama has continued the wars and added a couple of his own?
You don't quite seem to get that Paul wants to cut excessive spending (starting with the military - the US outspends the rest of the world put together), cut excessive government (including intrusion and spending), preserve your Constitutional rights by not riding roughshod over them and return government to the days when it served people rather than ruled them. Quite why his belief in a deity enters into it (when you can freely ignore it for other Presidents where it suits) when he wants to stop your money being used for causes you might not agree with and wasted in the various tiers of government escapes me. In fact it's almost like you've decided that you're going to hate Ron Paul regardless of whatever he proposes doing (and if you did bother reading it you'd just claim it was empty promises he'd never fulfil or be allowed to fulfil - neatly ignoring Obama's track record of empty promises) for... whatever reason you see fit.
Sounds a little odd. Like... you refuse to give him even the courtesy of reading what he wants to do for you before dismissing it.
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One person makes decisions based on God, Paul, the other based his decision on what will make the future brighter. I can tell Paul's beliefs by his actions, compared to Eisenhower who displays no signs of religion in his decision making. That is two times I've said that to you.
Cookie? Who cares Bush and Paul have differing views on military? And how is Obama relevant? Typical straw grasping... Bush and Paul both act according to their religion (another repeat for you). A public servant should serve the public, not their religion.
You don't get it. His ideas are not based on making the US's future better. His warped ideas are merely to appease God. That is exactly what the US president shouldn't do.
Again, you don't get the far reaching devastation his ideas would cause if they were implemented, which most wouldn't happen even if he was president.
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He's actually cutting the military itself. But that's dumb; it is not necessary to cut the number of soldiers in our military in order to save money.
A better way to save money would be to keep the same number of soldiers, but close down some of the 900 some odd US military bases that aren't even in our own country. Nine-hundred! On a good day there are 206 countries in the world - 193 of them universally recognized as sovereign nations. That means the US operates, on average, over 4 military bases in every country. The fact that we don't actually have bases in every country should be even more alarming - we have at least 21 bases in Germany. Last time I checked, Germany was the biggest economy in Europe and is probably capable of taking care of its own citizens. So instead of cutting soldiers...how about we cut the entire base, and bring the soldiers home instead. Here they can train, scout the border with Mexico, maintain our equipment, and even take an airline flight home on the weekend to see their families.
By closing bases and bringing our troops and equipment back home, we won't have to spend $400 a gallon to ship gasoline to Afghanistan.
EDIT: I'd like to thank Dapper, despite all the ruckus, for highlighting how tiny the Obama administration's glorious military cuts will be.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_military_bases
As always.
Most of the foreign bases have their own article, there's so many.
As always.
Most of the foreign bases have their own article, there's so many.
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I found a list on Wiki that wasn't really what I was looking for. Then I found a list of United States Army Installations in Germany.
There are many links in this article but I don't feel like rooting through them because those link lead to even more links.
There are about 51,000 US troops in Germany.
There are many links in this article but I don't feel like rooting through them because those link lead to even more links.
There are about 51,000 US troops in Germany.
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And yet..
Mind=Blown.
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Yes, but he died in 2003. Now he has a female cousin.
On topic: Ron Paul supports individual's rights to do whatever they want. If he gets that from his religious beliefs then I am fine with that. It is far better than where the Obama administration is getting their economic ideas from. Whether from God or whatever, Ron Paul can at least do simple math.
So, for every dollar in food stamps $1.84 goes into the economy? I just figured out how to save the economy. Give everyone food stamps to cover all groceries. If we can get a 184% rate of return on every dollar spent on food we will be a rich economy in a matter of days.
Of course, then the evil corporations that run the grocery stores would probably figure out that they can hoard the growth by just giving groceries away and then the other 99% of the population will be left with nothing.
By the way, have I detected religious intolerance in this thread recently? I guess bigotry can come in all forms.
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That's nothing new. Christian-bashing is a common thing on the internet, unfortunately.
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Really makes you wonder why they haven't tried it yet, eh? I'm wondering that myself.
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The ironic thing is though, that me and many other Christians feel privileged to be persecuted or looked down upon. We find it a blessing that we are able to defend the word of God against ridicule or aggression.
Indeed. It's like people just see the word "Christian" and immediately think "lol what an idiot lol rofflcopter" without bothering to read the rest of the message. Just like people tend to do with supporters of Ron Paul, Sarah Palin, and other thorougly media-bashed conservatives.
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So, Romney won in Florida...
Have a look at the map, though
Romney basically took all of south Florida, which is generally more diverse and subsequently slightly more moderate in their approach to politics. Gingrich took the northern counties, many of which are whiter, and certainly a bit more conservative.
It is a pretty clear demonstration of how the party is split, and how things are going to turn out going forward. Gingrich has the base, Romney is taking the moderates and independents. They made a good point tonight on MSNBC... If Gingrich really wanted to, he could probably run as an Independent and crush any hopes the Republicans have at winning. With all of his language about how he's the conservative, and how he's not of the establishment... Perhaps, he might. Who knows.
Have a look at the map, though
Romney basically took all of south Florida, which is generally more diverse and subsequently slightly more moderate in their approach to politics. Gingrich took the northern counties, many of which are whiter, and certainly a bit more conservative.
It is a pretty clear demonstration of how the party is split, and how things are going to turn out going forward. Gingrich has the base, Romney is taking the moderates and independents. They made a good point tonight on MSNBC... If Gingrich really wanted to, he could probably run as an Independent and crush any hopes the Republicans have at winning. With all of his language about how he's the conservative, and how he's not of the establishment... Perhaps, he might. Who knows.
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Frankly, I tend to follow a Right-wing line... but I'm pretty sure none of the current Conservative candidates have any leadership ability whatsoever. None of them are what I would call "President" material, and because of this, I'm not interested in the election. It'll be someone I don't care for who goes into office, whether it's Obama or Romney/Gingrich/Santorum/Paul.
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That map brings up the age-old (not really) point... if everyone who said "I like Ron Paul but I don't think he can win" voted for him, HE WOULD WIN. Stop saying he can't win and MAKE HIM WIN.
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This whole delegates race has got me confused.
Drudge linked to a Wall Street Journal graphic map of delegates and related information. It says that Newt Gingrich has 26 delegates, Rick Santorum has 14, and Ron Paul has 4. But I'm currently watching this video from MSNBC...
...from after the Florida debate, which says Newt has 23, Santorum has 11, and Paul has 6.
Hmm. Florida was winner-take-all. No delegates were awarded to Gingrich, Santorum, or Paul for this state. Sooooo...how is it that these two news outlets are reporting different numbers?
For the record, these two sources are the only reports of delegate numbers I've seen so far in the entire race. Just a few weeks ago I was struggling to find any information on how many delegates had been awarded, but now this.
EDIT: At the very end of that video they should a third statistic, which Dr. Paul referred to in his address, showing Romney at 84 (it must have been after the Florida vote), Gingrich at 27, Paul at 10, and Santorum at 8. Those were CNN's numbers.
Three media outlets, three different reports. WTF. They're not just fudging Dr. Paul's numbers, they're fudging everybody's numbers.
Drudge linked to a Wall Street Journal graphic map of delegates and related information. It says that Newt Gingrich has 26 delegates, Rick Santorum has 14, and Ron Paul has 4. But I'm currently watching this video from MSNBC...
...from after the Florida debate, which says Newt has 23, Santorum has 11, and Paul has 6.
Hmm. Florida was winner-take-all. No delegates were awarded to Gingrich, Santorum, or Paul for this state. Sooooo...how is it that these two news outlets are reporting different numbers?
For the record, these two sources are the only reports of delegate numbers I've seen so far in the entire race. Just a few weeks ago I was struggling to find any information on how many delegates had been awarded, but now this.
EDIT: At the very end of that video they should a third statistic, which Dr. Paul referred to in his address, showing Romney at 84 (it must have been after the Florida vote), Gingrich at 27, Paul at 10, and Santorum at 8. Those were CNN's numbers.
Three media outlets, three different reports. WTF. They're not just fudging Dr. Paul's numbers, they're fudging everybody's numbers.
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The thing is, just when Paul is stringing along a brilliant statement about the things in the federal government he would cut/reform, he goes and sticks his foot in his mouth with some stupid remark like how extremist Muslims wouldn't attack us if we left them alone and pulled all our troops out of their area of the world. The idea that he can't win isn't based simply on media influence alone. Like it or not, he is an isolationist with wack-job foreign policy ideas and most people can see that and that's why he won't win.
I don't mind that he sticks around in the primaries though, just because I like the fact that he says some really great things regarding domestic economic policy. I'm hoping that whoever wins the primaries takes a little bit from each of the other candidates that resonated with the public and uses it to focus on defeating Obama. After all, with Obama's record, it really is the Republicans race to lose.
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It's also twice it's been irrelevant - because one is a belief and the other is revisionist history.
The only thing you can tell from Ron Paul's actions is that the Constitution comes first.
You're trying to demonstrate Ron Paul will be more of Bush - if they have differing views on anything it undermines that point (little wonder you suddenly don't care when it's brought up). The reality is that Obama is more Bush than Bush was - only he can read a teleprompter. Paul, by acting according to the Constitution and against US military intervention, would act contrary to both in many of their key Presidential decisions.
Yet no President's religion (look them up) has ever interfered with the public service. Possibly with the exception of Abraham Lincoln who introduced "In God We Trust" on your money.
Nope. His eminently sensible ideas are merely to uphold the Constitution. That's exactly what the US president should do. I appreciate you've not had one for a while, but that's no reason to have suddenly forgotten it.
The only devastation would be to the gravy train of public sector financing.
Again, it's like you haven't even availed yourself of his policies. It's also like you don't want the President to cut your deficit, protect your Constitutional rights and have even a fundamental grasp of mathematics required to run your economy. Do you hate doctors or something? Were you once dumped by an obstetrician? Or is it just some pathetic bipartisan politics thing?
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So I guess the race is over, then? Seeing how important Florida is and Romney rode through it like a steam-train...
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Famine covered this pretty well, but I'd just like to note one thing:
A couple of those words weren't there before Eisenhower was president. Can you guess which ones?
And that's just off the top of my head. Most of his hardline anti-Communist actions during his Presidency were at the very least justified domestically using religious ideals. Eisenhower's Secretary of State threw around the term "Godless Communists" like it was the only way to end sentences in the 1950s, and Eisenhower himself didn't shy away from using it either.
A couple of those words weren't there before Eisenhower was president. Can you guess which ones?
And that's just off the top of my head. Most of his hardline anti-Communist actions during his Presidency were at the very least justified domestically using religious ideals. Eisenhower's Secretary of State threw around the term "Godless Communists" like it was the only way to end sentences in the 1950s, and Eisenhower himself didn't shy away from using it either.
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Not even close. In fact, no state rewards even close to half of all delegates. In Florida, Romney won 50 delegates. To become the nominee, they must win a total of 1,144 delegates.
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Paul is absolutely not an isolationist. He just wants to cut the absolutely insane amount of US forces in foreign countries, and stop bombing the hell out of countries in the middle east like the US has been doing for 50 years. Call me crazy, but perhaps the US wouldn't be facing hostility from foreign countries if your government wasn't bombing the living 🤬 out of everyone but Israel.
The only issue in my opinion with his foreign policy is not holding Iran accountable for the NPT, but again, it may not be much of an issue on the first place if all the meddling wasn't going on (you know, coup d'etat's and funding sadaam and whatnot)
The only issue in my opinion with his foreign policy is not holding Iran accountable for the NPT, but again, it may not be much of an issue on the first place if all the meddling wasn't going on (you know, coup d'etat's and funding sadaam and whatnot)
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No. Florida is a winner-take-all state. So it doesn't matter who comes in 2nd or 3rd. Also, Florida had half of its delegates stripped because it chose to move its primary to an earlier date, thereby jumping ahead of other primaries and caucuses.
So, unless you're projected to be a clear winner, Florida was and is a pointless exercise and a waste of campaign money.
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