PS Network/GT7 Code of Conduct

[Meythia]

Not specifying what the offense was is extremely counter intuitive.

If you have a single slip, it propably leads to you knowing what it was, but propably also keep wondering, but it shouldnt happen again anyway because it was a slip.

If it happens regularly then the problem is the persons habbits, and it might well be intentional or not, though it doesnt matter too much because it should be a hint to have a look at what the person is doing.

Rules are not difficult to adore to, they only ask you to be "normal".

 

[Sir Crashalot]

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Rules are not difficult to adore to, they only ask you to be "normal".

😅

 

[hardvibes]

Trying not to sound all 'tin hatty' or such, but Playstation has turned around on us 'extremist' gamers in their path to wokeism. Therefore they feel it's justified to transcript, log and (AI-)analyze everything you say, write or do on their network. You could even be getting a warning email for saying a stupid joke to your friends during a party or such. It's your right to think I'm saying cuckoo crap, but just look for it on YouTube or the internet in general. Even EU is making laws to obligate this crap and probably the US will follow.

A lot of those things came out recently with Kabrutus and that SBI crap that has been ruining our beloved games for a while now. Politics and their propaganda don't belong in games. Don't get me wrong I believe in ethical principles, but the goal does not justify the means and the liberty for a person to have the freedom of speech and thought to a broad extent is primary for me.

I got reported once for writing "clown" in the GT7 chat, and I can understand that. Mea culpa. But he really was a clown and he was ruining the race for everybody. Sometimes you just can't help it.
Another time I got reported for calling someone "kid" by private message --> That's when I stopped paying for PS Plus. This is just ridiculous.

They really are exaggerating. And on Xbox nothing happens even if someone clearly writes insults with abbreviations, which is 100% offensive.

 

[Meythia]

While on Xbox nothing happens even if someone clearly writes insults with abbreviations, which is 100% offensive.

You tried that to verify? 🙄

 

[hardvibes]

You tried that to verify? 🙄

I reported multiple times players who wrote to me the letter F followed by the letter U, and nothing happened to them. Even after days, weeks or months. Messages like that stay in the private chat.
But when they fully spell clear insults, those words get automatically removed in an instant and I receive a notifications saying action was taken.

This is on Xbox.

On Playstation even those abbreviations will get you a warning, and probably a suspension, because sooner or later a human being will checks them.

 

[sswishbone]

If you have a single slip, it propably leads to you knowing what it was, but propably also keep wondering, but it shouldnt happen again anyway because it was a slip.

If it happens regularly then the problem is the persons habbits, and it might well be intentional or not, though it doesnt matter too much because it should be a hint to have a look at what the person is doing.

Rules are not difficult to adore to, they only ask you to be "normal".

I don't like the mentality of it's easy to follow the rules for one simple reason, they are never enforced consistently. Until there is uniformity in enforcement, the rules can't be easily complied with. Just look at the amount of disputed track limits, the poor consistency of speeding fines, or the terrible inconsistency regarding the Covid lock downs.

Too many arbiters of the rules get it wrong, so clarity of offence should always happen. Once a line is drawn, it is then on the individual if they cross it

 

[NAXEHT]

I got reported once for writing "clown" in the GT7 chat, and I can understand that. Mea culpa. But he really was a clown and he was ruining the race for everybody. Sometimes you just can't help it.
Another time I got reported for calling someone "kid" by private message --> That's when I stopped paying for PS Plus. This is just ridiculous.

They really are exaggerating. And on Xbox nothing happens even if someone clearly writes insults with abbreviations, which is 100% offensive.

You got suspended for saying clown? How long?

 

[Daxus]

I got reported once for writing "clown" in the GT7 chat, and I can understand that. Mea culpa. But he really was a clown and he was ruining the race for everybody. Sometimes you just can't help it.
Another time I got reported for calling someone "kid" by private message --> That's when I stopped paying for PS Plus. This is just ridiculous.

They really are exaggerating. And on Xbox nothing happens even if someone clearly writes insults with abbreviations, which is 100% offensive.

If you see how some drivers are just ramming you off because you are a bit faster or their reaction to silly mistakes on track when you are trying to race close and clean, I think it is your right to call them a clown. In my opinion, that's even a very friendly understatement to what they could be called.

What you did is the only thing a person can do and not give them any money if you don't agree with their ToS. In my case that's difficult since I'm part of the crew at a GT-community and not subscribing to Plus would mean I'd have to give that up too.

 

[imChris]

I got reported once for writing "clown" in the GT7 chat, and I can understand that. Mea culpa. But he really was a clown and he was ruining the race for everybody. Sometimes you just can't help it.

Tbh I've called people clowns MANY times in both GT7 and Overwatch text chats (It is my favorite insult). Yet I've never been reported nor suspended. Sounds just like you got unlucky.

 

[hardvibes]

You got suspended for saying clown? How long?

No no I wasn't suspended for that. I received a warning.

THEN I got suspended for a week or a month when I wrote "kid" by private message to someone else. Who would have thought? I'm looking at the email by Playstation in my inbox, and all the deleted messages with that dude on my PS4. It was February 22, and I haven't renewed my PS Plus since it expired a couple of months later.

Tbh I've called people clowns MANY times in both GT7 and Overwatch text chats (It is my favorite insult). Yet I've never been reported nor suspended. Sounds just like you got unlucky.

Yes. After that happened, I started reporting players (dirty players) who said similar things to me and it worked every-single-time .
What can also be reported is the word "pig".
Satisfaction 100%, when those dirty drivers get what they deserve.

By the way DON'T EVER WRITE THE WORD "DIRTY" (in the GT7 chat, but I guess it also applies to PS private messages). Not even if it's to say "dirty driver". That also can get you a warning or a suspension if someone reports you.
Weird but true.

 

[Meythia]

Weird but true.

You could also simply say nothing, it is not that your words would change the way anyone spends his time (why do I try?).

 

[hardvibes]

You could also simply say nothing, it is not that your words would change the way anyone spends his time (why do I try?).

Yes of course, but it's to indicate to other players there's a dirty player in the lobby and to keep distance.
Plus sometimes when you're in that situation and you're really angry, you just can't control yourself. Especially since there's no public voice chat.

 

[Famine]

What can also be reported is

... anything.

But the only thing actionable is anything directed at another user as an insult. It looks like all of your noted infractions are along those lines, so it really can't be a surprise... can it?

 

[hardvibes]

... anything.

But the only thing actionable is anything directed at another user as an insult. It looks like all of your noted infractions are along those lines, so it really can't be a surprise... can it?

Saying to someone "kid", and especially "dirty driver"?

How is "dirty driver" or saying "dirty driving" in general breaking ToS? That's pretty common in car and racing culture.
And it also applies when you write "dirty" with nothing else. Not even tagging a player.
Anything can be dirty.... the car, the road.... Can't I write in in the chat without getting reported? Well apparently not.

 

[benjoi84]

There are many, many ways (especially in English!) to voice your discontent with another without restoring to insults.

It's a question of vocabulary (and sometimes the lobby timer).

 

[hardvibes]

There are many, many ways (especially in English!) to voice your discontent with another without restoring to insults.

It's a question of vocabulary (and sometimes the lobby timer).

Is dirty driver an insult?

 

[newmedia_dev]

They just don't like you messaging people randomly after races especially if the tone is insulting etc

Once you send an unsolicited message to a non friend who reports it you are likely to get a warning or 1/3/7 day ban depending on the content

Just don't message strangers

 

[Famine]

Saying to someone "kid", and especially "dirty driver"?

How is "dirty driver" or saying "dirty driving" in general breaking ToS? That's pretty common in car and racing culture.
And it also applies when you write "dirty" with nothing else. Not even tagging a player.
Anything can be dirty.... the car, the road.... Can't I write in in the chat without getting reported? Well apparently not.

I think you've missed the basic principle here.

Is the word "doorknob" an insulting or offensive word? No. Is the phrase "You absolute doorknob" something directed at another user as an insult? Yes.

But the only thing actionable is anything directed at another user as an insult.

For clarity, if you were to do that on GTPlanet, you'd get your post removed or edited and find a notification in your alerts telling you not to do that again or a warning from the staff - whether or not anyone reported it.

Again, you cannot be surprised when sending insulting messages to other people that, should they (or anyone else) report them, you get action taken against you. I mean... you have read the Code of Conduct, right?

It's also worth noting that the - entirely human - PSN moderation staff, who are not specialists in any one game, will look at messages sent before and after the reported message too. If someone messages you in the post-race chat and your next (or previous) post is "dirty"...

 

[benjoi84]

Is dirty driver an insult?

I would say yes, because you don't know that person's intention.

If (and when) I get called dirty I take it quite badly, as I'm always trying to keep things clean. If I make a mistake then I'll ask for forgiveness either on track via my actions or after the fact via my words. If someone decides against that ethos and doesn't show any remorse, then they have to live with that.

Unfortunately nobody is going around punishing people for not apologising, which is even the more reason to not make yourself the bad guy in this tiny story.

Like I said, anytime I've felt the need to castigate someone for their driving it's along the lines of "I feel like you should have waited" or "That's not great driving". By addressing their actions, rather than a directed verbal assault you are avoiding any kind of culpability.

It's your choice.

 

[watto79]

I called someone a cockwomble once (intended as an insult) but it back fired and now we're actually really good friends.

I wouldn't do it now, knowing the risk of a suspension.

 

[hardvibes]

I think you've missed the basic principle here.

Is the word "doorknob" an insulting or offensive word? No. Is the phrase "You absolute doorknob" something directed at another user as an insult? Yes.

For clarity, if you were to do that on GTPlanet, you'd get your post removed or edited and find a notification in your alerts telling you not to do that again or a warning from the staff - whether or not anyone reported it.

Again, you cannot be surprised when sending insulting messages to other people that, should they (or anyone else) report them, you get action taken against you.

It's also worth noting that the - entirely human - PSN moderation staff, who are not specialists in any one game, will look at messages sent before and after the reported message too.

Question, to which honestly don't know the answer and I'd like to hear your opinion, or fact with proof:

Is saying "dirty driver", or "you drive dirty", an insult?

That's the basic principle I'm looking at. Because as a 40 year old man I never, ever, thought of "dirty driver" as an insult. Just like I never thought of other words like "cheater" to be an insult.
Will Playstation staff suspend someone for simply saying "cheater"?

Why am insisting on the word "dirty"? Because I saw it happen (not to me though): someone wrote it, with nothing else (no sentence, no player tagged) and it got deleted from the chat history in the GT7 lobby. Which means it got reported and someone got a warning for it.
Anybody on this forum can make the same mistake in the GT7 chat and get reported for it, if the player doesn't know.


Something similar applies to the word "down". IIRC you can't even type it in the GT7 chat. Yes, we know why it is censored, but not allowing players to write something as simple as "hey, look down" is laughable. The message is automatically denied.

 

[Famine]

Question, to which honestly don't know the answer and I'd like to hear your opinion:

Is saying "dirty driver", or "you drive dirty", an insult?

That's the basic principle I'm looking at. Because as a 40 year old man I never, ever, thought of "dirty driver" as an insult.

... really? Why would it not be?

What's the point of saying it other than "this individual exhibits negative characteristics"? Why would that not be insulting?

Just like I never thought of other words like "cheater" to be an insult.

... really? Why would it not be?

What's the point of saying it other than "this individual exhibits negative characteristics"? Why would that not be insulting?

Why am insisting on the word "dirty"? Because I saw it happen (not to me though): it got immediately deleted from the chat history in the GT7 lobby. Which means it got reported and someone got a warning for it.

Nope. Messages aren't deleted from chats, and PSN moderation simply doesn't happen that fast. It has to go to a human being for assessment. You'll get a notification if you've reported someone, usually within a couple of minutes. It can take up to a couple of days for any action to come out of it.

Will Playstation staff suspend someone for simply saying "cheater"?

No. If it's reported, then it's a very definite possibility.

 

[hardvibes]

Nope. Messages aren't deleted from chats, and PSN moderation simply doesn't happen that fast. It has to go to a human being for assessment. You'll get a notification if you've reported someone, usually within a couple of minutes. It can take up to a couple of days for any action to come out of it.

No. If it's reported, then it's a very definite possibility.

Messages do get deleted from GT7 chats. I saw it happen numerous times, while being in the GT7 lobby after the end of a race, in both cases:

1) Messages in GT7 chat can be automatically deleted after getting reported. If the insult is clear and it's not part of the censored words, but still triggers the system, the deletion/action taken is immediate.

2) Messages in GT7 can be deleted after human verification within seconds or minutes (1 min? Or whatever the time remaining in a lobby is) and YES, human PSN moderation can happens that fast. As in the GT7 chat it can take seconds, it can also take hours or days. Like for private messages.

 

[Meythia]

Just like I never thought of other words like "cheater" to be an insult.
Will Playstation staff suspend someone for simply saying "cheater"?

Consider yourself:
whenever you say something, it either can be a compliment, an insult, or neutral converstation (of various topics and degrees, joke, fact, fiction, everything else).
Converstation usually requires more than a single word or a few, and if it is not identified as conversation, the other options are compliment or insult, then it is easy to guess that "cheater" or "dirty" are generally not used as a complitement.
So when there are just a few other players the chances are increasing someone will take it as an insult - and depending on the chat history things will then turn out one way or the other.

human PSN moderation can happens that fast

That is unlikely, except for the case you would be playing in the same lobby as someone currently TASKED (payed job, working time, usually not allowed to to things for private entertainment at the same time) being in the same lobby.

 

[Famine]

Messages do get deleted from GT7 chats. I saw it happen numerous times, while being in the GT7 lobby after the end of a race, in both cases:

Then show it. Your console captures everything you see, so this should be very easy.

YES, human PSN moderation can happens that fast.

No, it does not. Even the auto-generated "we've received your report" messages are not posted in a matter of seconds. They take whole minutes, at best.

 

[hardvibes]

Then show it. Your console captures everything you see, so this should be very easy.

If I ever decide to renew my PS Plus for GT7 and the occasion to report someone in the GT7 lobby presents itself, I will.

 

[Famine]

If I ever decide to renew my PS Plus for GT7 and the occasion to report someone in the GT7 lobby presents itself, I will.

There's free weekends, two or three times a year. The last one was a weekend ago, on 21st/22nd.

I've reported dozens of players for abusive comments. The messages do not vanish once reported (which would be utterly ridiculous), the auto-generated "We've received your report" responses take two to five minutes, and the outcomes take two to three days.

 

[newmedia_dev]

Question, to which honestly don't know the answer and I'd like to hear your opinion, or fact with proof:

Is saying "dirty driver", or "you drive dirty", an insult?

That's the basic principle I'm looking at. Because as a 40 year old man I never, ever, thought of "dirty driver" as an insult. Just like I never thought of other words like "cheater" to be an insult.
Will Playstation staff suspend someone for simply saying "cheater"?

Did they ask you or reach out to you to provide these constructive gems of feedback?

If they didn't then it doesn't matter if they report it. The context is no longer there the the PSN staff.

Also imagine a scenario where you are a 40 year old man messaging a 13 year old about the standard of their driving? I mean I'd report someone messaging my daughter like that on Minecraft etc...

 

[imChris]

I've reported dozens of players for abusive comments. The messages do not vanish once reported (which would be utterly ridiculous), the auto-generated "We've received your report" responses take two to five minutes, and the outcomes take two to three days.

It can happen that they take action very fast, it depends on the situation. A guy threatened me in DMs and around 2 minutes after I reported it I got a notification that Playstation's taken action.

 

[Famine]

in DMs

Indeed, and that's rather different than a report generated in-game. I've had pornbots in my DMs dealt with more speedily.