PS3 General Discussion

Mr Deap
If you were in some local tournament, you must have some video around?
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I'll scrounge some up if I can find it, if not, we're having some stuff go down monday, I'll be sure to record some footage if given the chance. Though I haven't sunk any money in AV equip, as I'm in to photography, not video.
 
Jeremy Ricci
I'd stomp a mudhole in you six ways from friday. My fighting games experience extends far past what you may think is "experience". I'm sure you don't even understnad what frame traps are, frames, ARE and ECD, and other extremely technical aspects of VF4/5. I would make you ashamed that you even desired to play me to prove a point.

That's case closed, any day of the week.
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and since the theme is challenges, i´ll take both of you in GT4.

lol, just a joke while we wait for real PS3 news...

still, any car, any track...
 
fasj6418
and since the theme is challenges, i´ll take both of you in GT4.

lol, just a joke while we wait for real PS3 news...

still, any car, any track...
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In PGR3 I've placed myself 11th in north america for the worldwide tournament. Over 4000 peoples in america have registered to try the qualification.

http://www.pgr3tournament.com/

You select the country & all & check leaderboard. You will see my name there. check the 100th peson. the time don't even differ from 1 sec :sly:

About VF5. I think it still the arcade version. Though the battles are much better than the previous one.

Here a video that will give you an idea how people can do their lap time in a track.

http://www.gametrailers.com/umwatcher.php?id=13120
 
still off topic in this gaming achievment thing:

from the last board challenge:

P Driver..........Team............Time....Points
1 Zikwik..........GTPlay..........85.166..25
2 MGN.............GTWeb...........85.377..22
3 fasj6418........GTPlanet........85.851..19
4 czsimo..........GTN.............85.948..17
5 Klinker.........SoGT............86.138..15
6 Destroy.........GTIRN...........86.161..13
7 SCOOBY-ROO......GTTimes.........86.262..11
8 Sangoku333......GTChallenge.....86.296...9
9 Tuff240.........Team Rollers....86.616...7
10 Chimeleon......GTO.............86.843...6
11 miko...........GTBN............86.895...5
12 TeamLosiRacer..Guthrie United..87.443...4
13 Tubs_xpto......GTPT............90.390...3
14 Rotzi..........GTRP............DNF
15 SlipZtrEm......GTX.............DNF


2 WRS wins, runner up in last season´s JGTC (might win this year) and DTM champ:) :dopey:

bottom line: we can´t wait for online play with rankings
 
There's still yet to be a true next-gen fighting game. DoA4 had a few new touches but was ultimately very similar to earlier DoA games. VF5 looks good, but again seems very familiar. Tekken 6 has yet to be seen in game but I would assume it to be very similar to earlier Tekkens, but prettier. And no sight yet of Soul Calibur.
It seems the fighting genre has passed its best. Not surprising really as there's little room for invention. But it would still be nice to see some changes to the genre. With the power that the PS3 and 360 offers it's not too much to hope for.
 
I'm not sure what you expect to be progress in fighting games. You can't get much better than feeling like you're in a martial arts movie. I have a feeling though that when I play VF5, it's not going to seem marginally improved.
 
Well, Namco tried to "reinvent" Tekken with Tekken 4 and it failed. So they went back the basic feel of Tekken 3 for Tekken 5 and it was a big hit.

As far as innovation for fighting games goes. I think there needs to be more interactivity with the surroundings, but in a good way. Not the stupid Tekken 4 wall thing.

I'd also like to be able to brake bones and have instant kills. But, I'm sure that would make the game a turtle fest. :dopey:
 
^^^ Tekken 5 is a stain on the Tekken genre. It's overly simplistic, amazingly forgiving, and quickly developing into a game very similar to DOA.

I lost respect for Tekken after Tekken 5.

Virtua Fighter for the win.
 
Boxart for another game revealed.

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http://ps3.ign.com/articles/733/733086p1.html

EDIT: Also, software pricing revealed.

IGN
Activision Reveals PS3 Software Pricing
The publisher plans to keep the next-generation status quo when it comes to pricing its games.
by Daemon Hatfield
September 15, 2006 - Speaking at the recent Merrill Lynch Media & Entertainment Conference, Activision CEO Robert Kotick revealed his company's plans to set its PlayStation 3 games at the same $60 price point its Xbox 360 titles have used.


"We have not seen a lot of consumer resistance at the higher price points, and we expect that all of our next-generation products will be launched at $60 price points," Kotick said.

Activision's Call of Duty 2 for the 360 recently passed the million-sold mark in North America alone at $60 a pop.

Nintendo is calling its upcoming Wii a new-generation console, and that seems to have kept it off the $60 price tag hook. Activision confirmed for IGN that Kotick's comments were in reference to the 360 and PS3, not the Wii.

Sixty-dollar PS3 games probably won't surprise too many gamers -- in fact, they may feel relieved; Sony has hinted in the past that PS3 game prices could climb higher than $60.
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There's no reason other than profit for Wii titles to be $60, thats why theu are not. They already steal from people buy charging $35 for some DS games.

Tekken 5 is much better than Tekken 3(TTT). That leaves Tekken 2 and Tekken 1, T4 is not in the mix since it was dissapointing to many people. Going from T5 to Tekken 3 or 2 makes the game feel unresponsive and just bad. I know this from Tekken 5's classic modes. I dont live and breath Tekken so to me Tekken Dark Resurection is the best in the series IMO.
 
Exactly why you think it's the best. Tekken has been dumbed down significantly since TTT. T4 was great, because it maintained some balance, and added some good things, the biggest flaw was the it included a wall push.

Tekken 5 gave everyone lose timing for nearly every move, and made it a noob happy title. The skill level required to get "good" at tekken was significantly deminished. And, at best, it was almost on the level of Tekken 3 in terms of accessability. The only reason that Tekken 1 and Tekken 2 feel "slow" to you, at all, is because you're playing on an engine that's two generations old.

Tekken 5 is the worst entry in the series to anyone serious about competitive play, but to casuals who generally don't know any better, it's "the best".
 
Jeremy Ricci
Tekken 5 is the worst entry in the series to anyone serious about competitive play, but to casuals who generally don't know any better, it's "the best".
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I cant dissagree with it but what game sells more in N/A VF or Tekken? We dont need to know any better so we are easy to please and happy fans of the series(think Halo).

But from a greneral perspective Tekken 5 is the best in the series. The older games feel slow to me now because they are old engines(first played in 1994 skippin school) that i havent played in years. Same way GT1 doesnt feel realistic at all now. back then it was the best sim.

Edit: I never played Tekken 4.......
 
Mr Deap
For me, Tekken series have gotten better. There's more diversity & less friendly for the noob than Tekken 3.
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Tekken 5 is seriously more noob friendly, in every way shape and form.

I'd love to debate it with you, but you don't understand the fighting engine that these games use, so it's useless, but you're wrong, to keep it simple.
 
Just to add about Blu-ray, as some may know already a large selection of movies coming out around November (many form 20th Century Fox) will be using AVC(Mpeg4) and dual layer BD-Roms including the 191 minute Ridley Scott film "Kingdom of Heaven". www.dvdactive.com
The important bit here is the use of Mpeg4 over Mpeg2 which I believe all current BD-Rom films have used. Is it a surprise that this is happening around the launch of the PS3?

As for fighting games etc, just to add my two pence I do feel that whereas virtually every other game genre has tried to change and take the odd risk fighting games on the whole remain virtually the same as they did 5 years ago. The main change seems to be destructible enviroments etc but thats no longer new. I'd like them to be more like martial arts movies, but they just are'nt. Whereas a film can use dramatic camera angles etc in a beat 'em up your stuck with an old fashioned side on view pretty much all the time, aka a side scrolling beat 'em up. I just think the genre's a bit dated now. A few new good ideas are needed to get me interested again.
 
Solid Lifters
That's not at all new. DVD/BD discs were mentioned by the BDA over a year and a half ago as a method of reducing the cost of Blu-ray to movie studios.
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Hybrids are significantly more expensive to the studios (and consumers) than standard HD DVD or BD discs.

The reason Hybrids were developed was the idea that the studios could sell them to consumers who had not yet purchased either of the blue laser formats, but who have also made the conscious decision to not buy as many standard DVDs, as they want to wait until they do get a blue laser player. Unfortunately, the studios didn’t realize how much more expensive the hybrids were, so in reality, it is a much better deal for consumers to simply buy, or better yet, rent the standard DVD version and not buy any HD discs until they can actually use them. Technically, hybrids are also inferior in regards to maximum data capacity, so you end up with a very compromised product.

It costs a studio about $0.05 per standard DVD (depending on the size of the order), which includes the disc and the pressing costs. It is actually significantly cheaper for the studios to offer two discs, one standard DVD, and one HD DVD or BD, then a single hybrid release. Of course they won’t offer a dual disc/format release as they know most will just turn around and sell the single standard DVD disc and a considerable discount, thus significantly cutting into their standard DVD sales, which are already taking a beating do to uncountable amounts of illegal copying of DVDs.

Bottom line: Hybrids aren’t saving the studios any money, in fact it is costing them a good deal more, and the consumers are paying a premium for it. I don’t expect them to last for very long, unless the costs drop quickly in the coming months.
 
Digital-Nitrate
Hybrids are significantly more expensive to the studios (and consumers) than standard HD DVD or BD discs.

The reason Hybrids were developed was the idea that the studios could sell them to consumers who had not yet purchased either of the blue laser formats, but who have also made the conscious decision to not buy as many standard DVDs, as they want to wait until they do get a blue laser player. Unfortunately, the studios didn’t realize how much more expensive the hybrids were, so in reality, it is a much better deal for consumers to simply buy, or better yet, rent the standard DVD version and not buy any HD discs until they can actually use them. Technically, hybrids are also inferior in regards to maximum data capacity, so you end up with a very compromised product.

It costs a studio about $0.05 per standard DVD (depending on the size of the order), which includes the disc and the pressing costs. It is actually significantly cheaper for the studios to offer two discs, one standard DVD, and one HD DVD or BD, then a single hybrid release. Of course they won’t offer a dual disc/format release as they know most will just turn around and sell the single standard DVD disc and a considerable discount, thus significantly cutting into their standard DVD sales, which are already taking a beating do to uncountable amounts of illegal copying of DVDs.

Bottom line: Hybrids aren’t saving the studios any money, in fact it is costing them a good deal more, and the consumers are paying a premium for it. I don’t expect them to last for very long, unless the costs drop quickly in the coming months.
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I made no insinuation that the hybrid disc was practical or would be put in use.

It seemed like an interesting concept, but I never thought it would ever be adopted, though I like the idea of paying $15-$20 for a DVD/BD disc, though, but it's not clear if that would have been the actual price of the disc, but it was rumored.
 
Along with the above reasons, why buy a hybrid when production quality for HD formats may be improved even more when you get your high definition player? You would have a souvenir, not something you would ever watch again, if you really wanted the highest quality product.

The only reason I'd ever buy a hybrid disc is as a souvenir of man's weird propensity to make almost anything.
 

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