[PS4] GT3 Championship -Friday GTRP Is the Champion!- Final Round @Spa 23rd julyOpen

[Webschumi]

Some race review, points and my Gf's impression for the day.

Some really hard race here for my Audi, and worst of all i got all kinds of damages in first lap carnages as usual... What was the worst was being totally outgunned on the straights

Anyway, i can't say i'm happy about races and drivers this week too... In race 1 a driver forgot to start at all creating a huge mess of cars flipping around; not sure but i guess @hasslemoff ? Beside that i managed to recover a bit and end in 6th from the usual handicap start due to crashes...

Race 2 again i was sent out and had tto restart the race from last at turn one... i was pretty lucky that crashes everywhere allowed me to recover some positions and end up in 8th after a nice battle with @Garykavanagh ... sadly i made 1 mistake that allowed him to catch him and another one last lap while i was drafting him... But i had too much aero damage to be able to do any better....

Concerning Race 2, i'm not sure hwta happened in the front lines that made almost all the group stop, but again a few guys have been to optimistic in their T1 entries and braking.

@MarcoGT5 sorry i couldn't avoid you there


Standings after 2 races:

Girlfriend impression (basically first time she saw me online racing in a serie said after 2 consecutive T1 pileups with me restarting from last)

"Why are all driving so badly around? Do You even train for this?"


Well i told her usually everything is smooth and without contacts, but to be honest so far in this serie it was a lie

But in Race 2 she did enjoy the battle with sean so she had a better understanding of why i spent time on this lol

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At Imola I took a 4th and a 7th.
AC really needs to upgrade their leaderboards. Actually they don't work at all !

 

[Garykavanagh]

Checked to be sure. Can't show you my replay atm. First i gotta figure how to do so...
BUT that would be my pretty Ferrari -that you pushed your english McL into -and damaged...
I was on your innerside all the way to 3rd. I couldn't ove further to the side. Even clipped the dangerous bumps. From my view you clearly took my line.
If you still desagree, I will of cause as fast as possible bring my replay to let you see the truth(...?)

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...Nevertheless I still handed you that 6th ( ) remember? I figure you owe me. Maybe you'll stay behind my at Mugello to make it up?
Anyway you just keep laughing here ( ok, I do understand ... ) -it's just ...up 'til now I've NEVER done such a stupid stunt in my life!!! ( -this goes of cause alone for my sim-racing-life -to be fair ). I really got a hard time trying to see what's funny in this - ...lol

from the replays already up it looks like i had 3/4s of a car infront of you so i was free to pick my own line. its not that important i just think its silly all the people trying to pick up as many places as possible in the first braking zone. (edit) look at friday_gtrp video from 25:25 to 25:30 in slow motion you hit my bumper and i spun. there was no chance of making the pass.

 

[azidahaka]

Can someone dig out the first round results for me? i have them noted wrongly for some reasons or maybe they did display wrong on my ps4 O_O

Also concerning crashes, @Webschumi @Garykavanagh @andrew1990 i would apprecitae if you guys could post the exact parts from your replay...

I have zero experiences in AC replays and netcode so it would be helpful.

 

[littleregret265]

Can someone dig out the first round results for me? i have them noted wrongly for some reasons or maybe they did display wrong on my ps4 O_O

Also concerning crashes, @Webschumi @Garykavanagh @andrew1990 i would apprecitae if you guys could post the exact parts from your replay...

I have zero experiences in AC replays and netcode so it would be helpful.

I might have screenshots of the results from Barcelona. I will check when I get home. If not, I'm sure we can piece together who came in what place.

 

[Garykavanagh]

Can someone dig out the first round results for me? i have them noted wrongly for some reasons or maybe they did display wrong on my ps4 O_O

Also concerning crashes, @Webschumi @Garykavanagh @andrew1990 i would apprecitae if you guys could post the exact parts from your replay...

I have zero experiences in AC replays and netcode so it would be helpful.

I don't know how to save replays in ac I was going to ask you for your from race 2 if you have it? I've no hard feeling over the incident I'm just trying to debate what position the car trying to make a pass should be in to be entitled to the line.

 

[andrew1990]

I do not take that 7th out on you at all. Sorry if that was unclear.
Regarding on how you do control your car (by controller) I got to say it's your buissness alone. All drivers should drive clean fair and of cause be aware if other drivers are close. And so you do for all I know.

My complain is about how you late and suddently changed your line into the chicane on back-straight causing me to ease off.
Situation was as we were approaching you took inside lane. Going faster than you, of cause I got the impression that you'd be the one to ease of. Also I believe rule says to avoid delaying drivers lapping. It therefor made sense to me. But instead you last second changed into the outside forcing me to breake off. ...that's my complain

The fact that I cut, spun and got a 5 sec penalty as I tried to go for an overtake (or make a pass on-...) down the straight I need to blame on my self
Still you had a part I'd say.

I'm well aware I could have keept my 4th if I had not been that unpatienced (and stupid too )


Btw: Regarding that controller: Have you tried to consult AC forum for advice? I understand there should be like almost topic's reg. this -as there is lots of ways to tweak it ...? -just a thought...

My controller settings are fine. I'm just not able to push as hard as someone on a wheel, therefore 100% for me is a bit more committed. I moved to the outside (not trying to block you) so I could get a good line through the corner. I was running my own race as well. If I had messed up and had some spins then I'd have finished lower down.

You said that we both could have been better with the situation at the time so I suggest that we both agree to think better next time and move on.

@adizadha - my PS4 didn't want to go back that far despite me changing the settings for replay/video length.

 

[hasslemoff]

Anyway, i can't say i'm happy about races and drivers this week too... In race 1 a driver forgot to start at all creating a huge mess of cars flipping around; not sure but i guess @hasslemoff ? Beside that i managed to recover a bit and end in 6th from the usual handicap start due to crashes...

Yes sorry about that I was waiting for the qualifying screen to go (GT), had a brain freeze .

I go to say the penalty system is good at stopping people from cutting corners but if you make a mistake and gain no advantage why does it give you a 2 min penalty , race 1 I missed the braking point for the chicane so cut the chicane then spent the next two mins all the way to the straight costing along.

Edit: Ok I tapped the accelerator which reset it to another 30 sec pen aswell .

 

[Garykavanagh]

Yes sorry about that I was waiting for the qualifying screen to go (GT), had a brain freeze .

I go to say the penalty system is good at stopping people from cutting corners but if you make a mistake and gain no advantage why does it give you a 2 min penalty , race 1 I missed the braking point for the chicane so cut the chicane then spent the next two mins all the way to the straight costing along.

Edit: Ok I tapped the accelerator which reset it to another 30 sec pen aswell .

That's hilarious

 

[Friday_GTRP]

@azidahaka you can see that @hasslemoff didn't do that on purpose, he had to move out of the way, i know his driving from GTP WRS and i am sure he is a clean and fair driver.
The races from my point of view:
Race 1:


Race 2:

@azidahaka results can be found in the posted vids

 

[Garykavanagh]

@azidahaka look in the rearview mirror and let me know what you think? this is the best i could do i dont have the replay

 

[SRT DK Racing]

Yes sorry about that I was waiting for the qualifying screen to go (GT), had a brain freeze .

I go to say the penalty system is good at stopping people from cutting corners but if you make a mistake and gain no advantage why does it give you a 2 min penalty , race 1 I missed the braking point for the chicane so cut the chicane then spent the next two mins all the way to the straight costing along.

Edit: Ok I tapped the accelerator which reset it to another 30 sec pen aswell .

ohh my dear god , allmost couldnt beleive the penalty system looking at your video , especially when your penalty time ran out the first time and it promptly gave you 30 new sec for going on the throttle a tenth or so to quick apparently , give ekstra penalty for going onto the throttle after the clock went to 0 sec left , iam lost for words I must say , "great" system or NOT

 

[Webschumi]

from the replays already up it looks like i had 3/4s of a car infront of you so i was free to pick my own line. its not that important i just think its silly all the people trying to pick up as many places as possible in the first braking zone. (edit) look at friday_gtrp video from 25:25 to 25:30 in slow motion you hit my bumper and i spun. there was no chance of making the pass.

First. I've got no hard feelings over the incident too. I only wants to make sure that we all understand these in as much the same way as possible -to avoid future misunderstandings more than nessesary.

That said, I disagree with your points. I DO think this is important. The sillyness obviously would be defined if we didn't clear this now, but instead kept repeating mistakes in future races.
I'm not sure if you're refering to me by this? : "...its not that important i just think its silly all the people trying to pick up as many places as possible in the first braking zone...". Would of cause be wrong of you to do so. Nevertheless I actually don't see how the comment relates to anything if not ...?

The rule you refers to "...from the replays already up it looks like i had 3/4s of a car infront of you so i was free to pick my own line..." is taking out of context and is at no use to our issue. These should be more appropriate:

"... A:
When approaching the turn/apex of turn, the car which "holds" the inner side of turn has entrance-advantage and other driver(s) must refrain from endangering him by his actions..."

"...C:
If sufficient overlap is established before the turn-in point, then the behind driver has the right to sufficient side room. The ahead driver must also leave sufficient side room for the behind driver. This means that each driver has a right to their respective "line", or side of the track, right up to the exit point. Neither driver should squeeze the other toward the inside or outside of the corner during the apex or exit..."

And to be honest I don't see how this can be used as prove to determent who was at the wrong spot when?
"...look at friday_gtrp video from 25:25 to 25:30 in slow motion you hit my bumper and i spun. there was no chance of making the pass..."
Our positions (and our rights to be there...) can't just like that be held up on where and how damage occurs??

I didn't move towards you at any point! You did crash into me. You pushed me from my line as you turned in, going for the innerside of 3rd.


Well, and I did already told you but: I've got a replay to back me up...

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But DESPITE ALL THIS: I just wonder when has it ever been legal to ignore and crash into a fellow driver's car, no matter what so ever?? "Contact is to be avoided as much as possible..."


(Edit: Rules I'm refering to, I will post in my next comment in it's whole)

Can someone dig out the first round results for me? i have them noted wrongly for some reasons or maybe they did display wrong on my ps4 O_O

Also concerning crashes, @Webschumi @Garykavanagh @andrew1990 i would apprecitae if you guys could post the exact parts from your replay...

I have zero experiences in AC replays and netcode so it would be helpful.

I'll work on how to upload replays tmrw

Again: Be carefull with those RESULTS-signs from AC! They can't be trusted if you are not fully alert! no joke
(for instance changes in positions AFTER few drivers have crossed finishline ...like when driver #1 arrives he's sent to pit-box. Then driver #2 crosses the line. Now the BOARD may tell that driver #2 is leading...)

 

[Webschumi]

SOME RULES REGARDING OVERTAKING (not official. not approved by karsten)

"...

08: Corner Rights:


A:
When approaching the turn/apex of turn, the car which "holds" the inner side of turn has entrance-advantage and other driver(s) must refrain from endangering him by his actions.

B:
You must establish substantial overlap with the car ahead before they reach the corner's turn-in point to have the right to drive up their inside, or to expect them to leave inside room for you. At least the front of your car should be up to the driver's position in the ahead car. The ahead driver has the right to be fully committed to the racing line of their choice without any interference if there was no substantial overlap before he turned in.

C:
If sufficient overlap is established before the turn-in point, then the behind driver has the right to sufficient side room. The ahead driver must also leave sufficient side room for the behind driver. This means that each driver has a right to their respective "line", or side of the track, right up to the exit point. Neither driver should squeeze the other toward the inside or outside of the corner during the apex or exit.

D:
If an ahead driver has clearly made an error to warrant a passing move, a behind driver may attack their position, with due caution and care, regardless of whether there was any pre-existing overlap. However, the overtaking driver must still avoid contact. Small errors by the ahead driver may not justify a passing move. The ahead driver getting a bit out of shape at times doesn't give you an automatic right to pass. You still have to judge if their error allows for a safe pass to take place.

E:
Drivers who are using PS3 controllers MUST make additional effort in driving due to the fact they can't use side-view, and their perception of the other cars is thereby limited - extreme caution while maneuvering is required. If you are using a controller, you are required to set buttons up for side views as "I didn't see you." is not an excuse if you collide with another driver when racing.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/gtplanet-online-racing-olr-rules-guidelines.111241/

..."

 

[Webschumi]

My controller settings are fine. I'm just not able to push as hard as someone on a wheel, therefore 100% for me is a bit more committed. I moved to the outside (not trying to block you) so I could get a good line through the corner. I was running my own race as well. If I had messed up and had some spins then I'd have finished lower down.

You said that we both could have been better with the situation at the time so I suggest that we both agree to think better next time and move on.

@adizadha - my PS4 didn't want to go back that far despite me changing the settings for replay/video length.

That's fine with me. Couldn't ask for more

 

[SRT DK Racing]

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/snail-olr-policies-and-guidelines.332619/
07: Corner Rights:

A: When approaching the turn/apex of turn, the car which "holds" the inner side of turn has entrance-advantage and other driver(s) must refrain from endangering him by his actions.

B: You must establish substantial overlap with the car ahead before they reach the corner’s turn-in point to have the right to drive up their inside, or to expect them to leave inside room for you. At least the front of your car should be up to the driver’s position in the ahead car. The ahead driver has the right to be fully committed to the racing line of their choice without any interference if there was no substantial overlap before he turned in. The ahead driver must not abruptly change their line through a corner for any reason.

C: If sufficient overlap is established before the turn-in point, then the behind driver has the right to sufficient side room. The ahead driver must also leave sufficient side room for the behind driver. This means that each driver has a right to their respective "line", or side of the track, right up to the exit point. Neither driver should squeeze the other toward the inside or outside of the corner during the apex or exit.

D: The turn in point is the point at which the leading car begins their turn into the corner on their chosen line. It is not necessarily the first move toward the apex. It is the move that commits the lead driver to their chosen line. Example: A gradual move toward the apex followed by a sharper turn would mean that the sharper turn would be the turn in point. Example: Multiple turning movements approaching the turn would mean that the final turning movement would be the turn in point. This point may vary from the point at which you turn into the corner.

E: If an ahead driver has clearly made an error to warrant a passing move, a behind driver may attack their position, with due caution and care, regardless of whether there was any pre-existing overlap. However, the overtaking driver must still avoid contact. Small errors by the ahead driver may not necessarily justify a passing move. The ahead driver getting a bit out of shape at times doesn’t give you an automatic right to force a pass. You still have to pass safely and without undue contact. The ahead driver must not make any sudden changes to their line in an attempt to defend their position in this situation.

F: Drivers are expected to set buttons up for side views as "I didn't see you" is not an excuse if you collide with another driver when racing.

 

[SRT DK Racing]

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/gtplanet-online-racing-olr-rules-guidelines.111241/

10: Defensive Driving:

C:
Drivers that are about to get lapped have to make sure not to interfere with the lapping cars. Slow down on the straights on either side of the track or maintain the outside line during cornering. If for whatever reason you happen to be on the inside line when being overtaken, stay on the inside line until all drivers that were about to lap you have passed. You are not allowed to deliberately block the lapping cars.

 

[Garykavanagh]

You must establish substantial overlap with the car ahead before they reach the corner's turn-in point to have the right to drive up their inside, or to expect them to leave inside room for you. At least the front of your car should be up to the driver's position in the ahead car. The ahead driver has the right to be fully committed to the racing line of their choice without any interference if there was no substantial overlap before he turned in. This part. Your car was nowhere near the drivers position. I don't think it's reasonable to try pass into the first corner unless there is a clear gap. As shown by the last 3 out of 4 races more races have been ruined on the 1st lap then won. Race 2 I didn't even make it to the first braking zone before @buybon355 stuck me into a wall. Like I said no hard feelings I don't think either of us tried to cause a crash but it could have been avoided and me and you could have had a more enjoyable race.
(edit) try get that replay up even record the TV with your phone and put it up that way. If it proves me wrong I'm happy enough to quit my whining

 

[buybon355]

Can the guys who have shared videos help us guys who can't? I've got the live streaming settings all done, and linked to youtube, but when i press the share button then go to race, there is a menu down the right hand side of the screen. I don't know how to get rid of that to bring me back to full race view.

If we could all use this facility, we can all see the races from each others point of view. I'm close to using it, just need to get rid of that menu border somehow.

@Garykavanagh apologies, I don't recall a swerve move, but do know I made contact whilst moving to the right putting us both on the grass. Views from both our cars would help.

 

[Markeeez18]

Can the guys who have shared videos help us guys who can't? I've got the live streaming settings all done, and linked to youtube, but when i press the share button then go to race, there is a menu down the right hand side of the screen. I don't know how to get rid of that to bring me back to full race view.

If we could all use this facility, we can all see the races from each others point of view. I'm close to using it, just need to get rid of that menu border somehow.

@Garykavanagh apologies, I don't recall a swerve move, but do know I made contact whilst moving to the right putting us both on the grass. Views from both our cars would help.

I had this problem aswell, lol basically when you go to live stream, there is some boxes that are ticked and unticked, if you have comments visible ticked, then that's when you get that stupid border which makes your screen really small, just untick it and it will broadcast it in the background. hardly notice it's even going.

 

[buybon355]

I had this problem aswell, lol basically when you go to live stream, there is some boxes that are ticked and unticked, if you have comments visible ticked, then that's when you get that stupid border which makes your screen really small, just untick it and it will broadcast it in the background. hardly notice it's even going.

Nice one! Thanks, will give it a go

 

[Garykavanagh]

Can the guys who have shared videos help us guys who can't? I've got the live streaming settings all done, and linked to youtube, but when i press the share button then go to race, there is a menu down the right hand side of the screen. I don't know how to get rid of that to bring me back to full race view.

If we could all use this facility, we can all see the races from each others point of view. I'm close to using it, just need to get rid of that menu border somehow.

@Garykavanagh apologies, I don't recall a swerve move, but do know I made contact whilst moving to the right putting us both on the grass. Views from both our cars would help.

is I didn't record the race was hoping @azidahaka had it from his view. Ah what can you do it's hard to judge wit the narrow fov. My frustration is because of the amount of incidents i was caught in on both races left my car near impossible to drive after I put 3-4 hours setup work into it.

 

[Markeeez18]

@azidahaka From my live stream

 

[Webschumi]

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/gtplanet-online-racing-olr-rules-guidelines.111241/

10: Defensive Driving:

C:
Drivers that are about to get lapped have to make sure not to interfere with the lapping cars. Slow down on the straights on either side of the track or maintain the outside line during cornering. If for whatever reason you happen to be on the inside line when being overtaken, stay on the inside line until all drivers that were about to lap you have passed. You are not allowed to deliberately block the lapping cars.

Thanks

 

[BigDaddyP]

Holy moses lads, its getting rowdy in here and guess what??................. I feckin love it! This means we have serious competition here

As regarding the whole overtaking and this is my line argument, we are not in real cars we cant turn our heads to see around us, we're playin on flat screens with no peripheral vision, we dont know the length of the car until we hit something and the width of the car can feel totally different just with the slightest adjustments to the view. I believe the car behind has the obligation to give the racing line to the car in front, and that is for 1 reason only, the extremely limited field of view.

 

[azidahaka]

@azidahaka look in the rearview mirror and let me know what you think? this is the best i could do i dont have the replay

Proper understanding of the situation from the rear mirror it's not easy, still i'm pretty sure both could have done better the red car could have left a bit more room and cruised along the other driver, but seeing it on reverse gives headache lol

@azidahaka From my live stream

Thanks! i'll work on those soon!

 

[Garykavanagh]

@azidahaka have you got a replay from race 2? My cockpit would have shown less I reckon. Anyway sick of talking about it my main point it's that extra care should be taken around the first few turns at least. hopefully it's someone else's turn next time out. (not particularly talking about my incident with @Webschumi in this) just in general getting hit multiple times on the first lap of both races is no better racing then an open lobby

 

[MarcoGT5]

First race I only just joined room in time because I was given wrong room name then a car in front never moved on race start followed by getting smash on the chicane somewhere, so that ****ed my whole race up.
Race 2 was doing well but half way through just kept losing grip and had a few spins, the car was skidding more on braking.

 

[Webschumi]

Sorry kept you waiting. Something came up rl

@Garykavanagh It's not a quistion bout overtaking. I'm simple holding on to my position. I took a few meters at the start, and you were never able to get away. We were technically side by side as we got to the chicane. At least I was within your space enough so that you can not claim right to the corner. I had nowhere to go when you decited to turn in close as possible to innerside (my position). I was on the (very bumpy!) curb when you hit me.

That said I guess best we can do is to wait for karstens judgment.

I do respect your comments about no hard feelings, and that we need to put this a side and move on. I surely also respect your comment that the point in our debate is to avoid duture incidents. I'd also had unpleasant starts 3/4 races. I got bumped aside, damaged or/and left severel positions back etc... So I clearly understand your frustration! I also repeat that I've got no hard feelings whatsoever if you'll now agree or still keep disagree with me. -Nor to whatever karsten says. That's not my point neither. Let's get it clear how to act on one another in situations like this one. Hope it'll give us more clean races ( starts...)

 

[Friday_GTRP]

Wow, that one is difficult, what i see from this view is that both drivers are approaching turn 1 @Garykavanagh is slighly in front of @Webschumi but that came apparent to @Webschumi at the 250m sign where he got his first indication he was not fully on the inside. moments later he brakes because he has the inner line. @Garykavanagh has the right on his racing line but ..... there are indicators that a car is very nearby, allthough you have the right sometimes it's advisable (especialy at the start) to give some extra room.
@Webschumi you didn't had the right on the race line but you can't vannish into thin air, maybe next time you should wait for the other party to have returned to the track.

I say racing incident, learn from it and move on

 

[Garykavanagh]

Wow, that one is difficult, what i see from this view is that both drivers are approaching turn @Garykavanagh is slighly in front of @Webschumi but that came apparent to @Webschumi at the 250m sign where he got his first indication he was not fully on the inside. moments later he brakes because he has the inner line. @Garykavanagh has the right on his racing line but ..... there are indicators that a car is very nearby, allthough you have the right sometimes it's advisable (especialy at the start) to give some extra room.
@Webschumi you didn't had the right on the race line but you can't vannish into thin air, maybe next time you should wait for the other party to have returned to the track.

I say racing incident, learn from it and move on

agree totally until the point he let's off the brakes and the back on. That is what made the contact. At 34 seconds you can see we could both have easily made the turn. Anyway more room through the 1st few corners will benifit every 1 from now on 👍
virtual handshakes all round. On to mugello