PS4 or PS5? Which Version Of GT7 Are You Buying?

[Kean_1]

Hence the final part of the line you just quoted.

Which is totally fine for people who buy their own games and are super-informed. However for consumers who buy games as gifts and aren't informed (like non-gamer parents who gets games for their kids), they can easily be misled into thinking PS4 is just PS4 and PS5 is just PS5, hence literally the rest of the post explaining what the labelling should be and why.

The way I see it, for those parents who would so easily make that mistake, having PS5 compatible on the label could very well make them think the version they are buying includes the PS5 version of the game if the title is released on both. ....or is "PS5 Enhanced".

Placing "PS5 labeling" on a PS4 version for a title with separate PS4 and PS5 versions could be very misleading even for those in the know.

As it is, I'd wager most PS5 owners understand that their consoles are backward compatible with nearly all PS4 games. .....I say nearly all because there were literally only a handful of relatively obscure titles that were not when the PS5 released. However, all new PS4 titles must be PS5 compatible IIRC.

Really, the only real problem in your scenario I can think of would mostly be older PS4 titles that a kid is asking for from their parents. If the parents don't know already and their kid hasn't informed them that the PS5 is backward compatible, the worst case scenario would be that they simply don't buy the game because they think it won't work on their PS5. However, if people are buying PS4 versions thinking the game is a PS5 exclusive because it's also labeled as "PS5", that's worse IMO.

Personally, I don't find their current labeling confusing at all. I know I can still run PS4 games on the PS5 and I know if it says PS5, it was made for PS5. It was in the PS5 marketing. Also, some PS4 titles will have additional blurbs on the package or in the description that say that copy can be upgraded to a PS5 version or includes PS5 enhancements. Adding "PS5" to all PS4 titles would just be adding to any confusion.

In either case, this is a transition that I'll wager has extended beyond what Sony expected. Eventually however, the scales will tilt and we will be seeing most games release for next gen with maybe last gen copies as well until they stop supporting last gen all together.

The labeling is fine the way it is IMO.

 

[steve30x]

I preordered the standard PS4 version because at the moment I only have a PS4 slim. I'm going to get a PS4 Pro soon though

 

[AR2007]

PlayStation 4.

I have seen the posts explaining how much better jumping from the base/slim PS4 to PS5 is. What I haven't seen much of is those comparing the PS5... to the PS4 Pro, which I have.

There are other things to consider like the DualSense controller, its haptics, and 3D Audio, but for me, there are two main reasons to upgrade from the PS4 Pro to the PS5:

• The resolution on the PS5 version of the game (native 4K/2160p)

Given how the guide on GT7 here expects the PS4 Pro to run at 1800p like GT Sport, that's a 44% increase going from the PS4 Pro to the PS5, which is less than increasing the resolution from 1080p to 1440p. (I know that's a terrible comparison given how the PS4 Pro does not use 1440p, but it's the best I can give) If the PS4 Pro doesn't run the game at a steady 60FPS, I may reconsider...

• The SSD, which with speeds faster than any PCIe 4.0 SSD can load a certain part of the game in seconds

I don't know about you, but the loading screen gives a moment to relax before you start the race. Even spending one minute from beginning the loading to starting the race can give you some time to look at the menu you see before you start the race. (maybe that's a little ironic, considering I replaced the drive in my PS4 Pro with a SATA SSD...)

I pre-ordered the digital 25AE at the PlayStation Store today, which clearly states will run on the PS4. The 85GB download it showed for me isn't a deal breaker, since I still have plenty of storage to go through...

 

[EnzoRacer]

hence literally the rest of the post explaining what the labelling should be and why

It was said that there is error in the description for left tile of the GT7 at the Store - tile must be labeled "PS4" not "PS4 | PS5". You constructed all your logic like there's no error.
"Should be" - what? There are enough info in the Store at the tiles: labels, text descriptions.

they can easily be misled into thinking PS4 is just PS4 and PS5 is just PS5

From the PS5 Store you can not buy accidentally only PS4 version for any game which has PS4 and PS5 versions - there are only 2 tiles, not 3 for GT7, Horizon FW etc. on the PS5 Store. You can buy only version for PS5 or bundle with two versions. 3 tiles are only in web-store.

"PS5 is just PS5" - yes, you can't play it on PS4.

"PS4 is just PS4" - any PS4 game which doesn't have PS5 version can be bought via PS5 Store because it can be played on PS5...and there is info about this possibility at the right block of the game's description in the PS5 Store.

Any PS4/PS5 bundle should say "PS4" and whatever the specific term for a dedicated PS5 version is.

This "whatever" is "PS5" label. If you can't see label "PS4" (for Returnal, for example) so there is no PS4 version of the game. If you can't see "PS5" label so there is no PS5 version of the game. If you'll buy item with two labels, you'll get two different items/versions - one for each platform.
When you buy GT7 from middle tile, you'll get two different items/versions - one for PS4, one for PS5.

 

[Famine]

The labeling is fine the way it is IMO.

So long as confusion exists even in uninformed consumers, it isn't. Labelling needs to be as clear as possible for uninformed consumers.

You constructed all your logic like there's no error.

No, I didn't. The "error" isn't relevant to the actual point - I was saying what the labelling should be (and you even quoted that... twice, still somehow missing it).

The product labelling should draw a clear difference between a PS5-only title, a PS5-enhanced version of a PS4 title, and a PS4 title that can be played on PS5 without specific PS5 enhancements. But it doesn't. What we have now is a "PS4" label, which might mislead people to think it cannot be played on PS5, and a "PS5" label which could be misinterpreted as "can be played on PS5" when it actually means "PS5-enhanced" and "PS5 exclusive".

Whether or not a specific informed consumer can say "Well, I know the difference, because GT7 is only for PS4 and playable on PS5 OR as a PS5 enhanced title" isn't relevant; they're an informed consumer. The labelling should be clear for uninformed consumers, which means a specific icon for PS4 playable on PS5, a specific icon for PS5 enhanced and not PS4 at all, and a specific icon for PS5 exclusive, not just PS4 blobs on stuff you can play on PS4 and PS5 blobs on stuff you can play on PS5, and both if it's not enhanced OR if it has both in the box.

Xbox had this exact issue with One/Series games, and redesigned its labelling twice before settling on the current version, but then Xbox also has smart delivery, so you can switch from one console to the other and back again (or even onto PC), always playing the right version for the console you're playing on. PlayStation doesn't, so the labelling is more important to ensure uninformed customers are picking up the right thing.

This lack of clear labelling is what lead to a load of regular consumers going out and buying a surprisingly cheap HD TV in the early 2000s. What they were buying were 720p "HD Ready" TVs, thinking they were the same thing as 1080p "Full HD" TVs - which is why they were surprisingly cheap. What there should have been was a different name for TVs between SD and HD (like "ED" for "enhanced", but not, because that's also "erectile dysfunction"), but there wasn't. The fact there's different words there too is immaterial; people saw "HD" and thought "HD".


Of course we also have extremely uninformed customers, who think all consoles are PlayStations, and a game called "Gran" something is probably Grand Theft Auto and not Gran Turismo. There is no helping these people.

You're of course entirely welcome to disagree, but at least disagree with the right thing.

 

[EnzoRacer]

"PS5" label which could be misinterpreted as "can be played on PS5" when it actually means "PS5-enhanced" and "PS5 exclusive"

PS4 games which received next-gen patch for PS5 have label "PS4" but technically they're PS5-enhanced, but didn't have separate versions. And "PS5" labels are used not only for PS5 exclusives, but for separate nextgen version for multiplatforms too.
Enhanced versions have only another resolution and/or fps and/or loading time but they are PS4 games which run at backward compatibility.
Uninformed customer can ask "Can I play co-op on PS4 with my friend who has same game but on the PS5? Label is "PS5 Enhanced", what it means? Or may be my friend can play co-op only with versions which have similar label or "PS5"?"

What we have now is a "PS4" label, which might mislead people to think it cannot be played on PS5

The labelling should be clear for uninformed consumers, which means a specific icon for PS4 playable on PS5, a specific icon for PS5 enhanced and not PS4 at all, and a specific icon for PS5 exclusive

Any PS4 game which doesn't have PS5 version can be bought via PS5 Store because it can be played on PS5...and there is info about this possibility at the right block of the game's description in the PS5 Store.
"Which might mislead people" - and what? There are no 100% solutions for all people. People must be smart, and at first they need to read description of PS5 about backward compatibility when they decide to buy PS5, and at second they need to read description of games in the console-Store and/or web-Store when they decide to buy game.
For PS5 exclusive there is label "Only on Playstation".
Never had problems with labels and description, all is clear, I don't want 5 multi-text labels on every item to understand what to buy. You want your "should" for those people who didn't have problems and for those who didn't ask you for change what works normally.

 

[Randall_Flagg]

I got the 25th Anniversary cause I love the games and though I don't have a PS5 I may get one eventually. I just realized though that the ps4 download will probably come in the box on a piece of paper like old times. That seems so silly in a digital download world. I should be able to pre-load it but now I have to wait till I get the PS5 disc on release day to get the PS4 code to START downloading 100 gigs. Great...

 

[syntex123]

I got the 25th Anniversary cause I love the games and though I don't have a PS5 I may get one eventually. I just realized though that the ps4 download will probably come in the box on a piece of paper like old times. That seems so silly in a digital download world. I should be able to pre-load it but now I have to wait till I get the PS5 disc on release day to get the PS4 code to START downloading 100 gigs. Great...

That’s what you get for preordering a physical copy.

 

[Famine]

PS4 games which received next-gen patch for PS5 have label "PS4" but technically they're PS5-enhanced, but didn't have separate versions. And "PS5" labels are used not only for PS5 exclusives, but for separate nextgen version for multiplatforms too.
Enhanced versions have only another resolution and/or fps and/or loading time but they are PS4 games which run at backward compatibility.
Uninformed customer can ask "Can I play co-op on PS4 with my friend who has same game but on the PS5? Label is "PS5 Enhanced", what it means? Or may be my friend can play co-op only with versions which have similar label or "PS5"?"


Any PS4 game which doesn't have PS5 version can be bought via PS5 Store because it can be played on PS5...and there is info about this possibility at the right block of the game's description in the PS5 Store.
"Which might mislead people" - and what? There are no 100% solutions for all people. People must be smart, and at first they need to read description of PS5 about backward compatibility when they decide to buy PS5, and at second they need to read description of games in the console-Store and/or web-Store when they decide to buy game.
For PS5 exclusive there is label "Only on Playstation".
Never had problems with labels and description, all is clear, I don't want 5 multi-text labels on every item to understand what to buy. You want your "should" for those people who didn't have problems and for those who didn't ask you for change what works normally.

There's an awful lot of "well I've never had a problem, so there's no problem" in here.

Whether or not a specific informed consumer can say "Well, I know the difference, because GT7 is only for PS4 and playable on PS5 OR as a PS5 enhanced title" isn't relevant; they're an informed consumer. The labelling should be clear for uninformed consumers

 

[Yard_Sale]

I got the 25th Anniversary cause I love the games and though I don't have a PS5 I may get one eventually. I just realized though that the ps4 download will probably come in the box on a piece of paper like old times. That seems so silly in a digital download world. I should be able to pre-load it but now I have to wait till I get the PS5 disc on release day to get the PS4 code to START downloading 100 gigs. Great...

Wanted to quote this post just because I like your handle. Randle Flagg and all of his various incarnations is probably my favorite character in the Stephen King multiverse. Good stuff 👍🏼

 

[EnzoRacer]

There's an awful lot of "well I've never had a problem, so there's no problem" in here.

Do you really think that your method with many labels will solve all problems? I wrote some examples.
Your "they SHOULD" is just...no comments...you can defend even Store errors - "no, it's not error. it's 100% correct, but they SHOULD make it another way".

 

[Famine]

Do you really think that your method with many labels will solve all problems?

No. But then I literally explained that as well - there is no method that will solve everything because there will always be people who are too uninformed that mere labelling can't help.

What it will do is increase clarity for the majority of uninformed consumers, which is what's lacking right now. We're getting people signing up to GTPlanet just to ask about it, that's how lacking it is (which is, of course, good for us).

Your "they SHOULD" is just...no comments...you can defend even Store errors - "no, it's not error. it's 100% correct, but they SHOULD make it another way".

I didn't defend any errors - I said the error was irrelevant - and I didn't say anything was 100% correct. Quite why you feel the need to pretend that I did escapes me, but don't make nonsense like this up.

 

[Benny44]

To your point @Famine - I have friends I regularly game with and they will buy (or almost buy) the wrong thing. Expansions packs, any form of DLC, they sometimes just seem to glance, and say 'yep, that's the one' and then realize they've made a mistake. These are smart people who game to unwind and have busy days. So if something is a bit confusing or easily overlooked they can make a purchase and not get what they want.

I have no suggestions on how to make it more clear, but figured I'd just say that while I find out exactly what I'm purchasing, not everyone does

 

[SpecMiata-JSW]

My son wanted me to order the 25th anniversary PS5 disc version, he really wanted that steelcase. Because the PS5 comes with 1 disc will I need to download less content because a lot of it will be on the physical disc, or is the disc nothing more than a 'key' to tell the PS5 we own GT7 and the download will be the same amount of data as if we purchased the downloadable version?

Sorry for the silly questions, I haven't ordered a disc in years so I don't know how they work in today's digital age. LOL

 

[Famine]

My son wanted me to order the 25th anniversary PS5 disc version, he really wanted that steelcase. Because the PS5 comes with 1 disc will I need to download less content because a lot of it will be on the physical disc, or is the disc nothing more than a 'key' to tell the PS5 we own GT7 and the download will be the same amount of data as if we purchased the downloadable version?

Sorry for the silly questions, I haven't ordered a disc in years so I don't know how they work in today's digital age. LOL

They're not silly questions at all.

Generally the disc version of any game comes with all the data for v1.00 on it. That means that, once installed from the disc, you will only need to download the data of any day one updates (which I think it has been said is v1.02), which will be far smaller than the digital download.

The disadvantage is that the digital download is available now (but won't be available to play now) and already has the update, thus people will have a week to download all the data and then be able to play right away while you're waiting for the postman, the first install, and then the update

 

[SpecMiata-JSW]

They're not silly questions at all.

Generally the disc version of any game comes with all the data for v1.00 on it. That means that, once installed from the disc, you will only need to download the data of any day one updates (which I think it has been said is v1.02), which will be far smaller than the digital download.

The disadvantage is that the digital download is available now (but won't be available to play now) and already has the update, thus people will have a week to download all the data and then be able to play right away while you're waiting for the postman, the first install, and then the update

Thank you sir. I'm glad it wasn't a silly question.

The ironic part of this situation is, I'm a 46 year old and my 14 year old has more patience than me (with respect to GT7). I'm glad to hear I won't have to wait for the postman to show up then still have to download 100 + GB of data. You answered my question AND made me feel better that I can be a good dad and not pull my remaining hairs out while waiting for a crazy long download.

Cheers!

 

[Stoop Solo]

I'll be playing on PS4, possibly disc version, but haven't decided yet.

I was considering the anniversary edition, but I don't want to be given extra game credits and cars.

 

[EnzoRacer]

I didn't defend any errors - I said the error was irrelevant - and I didn't say anything was 100% correct. Quite why you feel the need to pretend that I did escapes me, but don't make nonsense like this up.

Sorry if I didn't understand all correctly - my english is not so good. Your phrases from the quote I could not translate without Google Translate.
I think that PS4 games doesn't need to have "PS5" label, and that's all

 

[jodi]

As the title states, I’m curious to know what console you’ll be playing GT7 on.

In the current state of the game’s development and the availability/cost of a PlayStation 5, I’m leaning towards getting the PS4 version of the game. If the PS4 variant features similar visuals as GT Sport, I don’t really see that as much of a loss because Sport is still a very decent looking game imo. Of course dynamic weather my affect the smoothness of gameplay and visuals but we’ll have to wait and see some GT7 gameplay footage on PS4.

Besides some visuals, loading times (according to Kaz), and potentially noticeable different frame rates with dynamic weather; both console versions are the same game (according to Kaz). I‘m not sure if I’d like to spend a small fortune to purchase a PS5 to get some of these advantages.

My opinion is subject to change once we see footage on both consoles but I think I’m sticking with PS4 at launch.

Neither - no C8, no VR, I’m gone, besides I built a strong PC for MSFS2020 and VR. Can’t get a PS5 so I’m on the dark side. Sad, first time I won’t have a new GT on launch day - maybe never.

 

[Nielsen]

I have ordered the physical 25th Anniversary Edition. It’s out of stock pretty much everywhere, so I figured I’ll just keep it without removing the factory seal. Basically an investment that probably won’t lose value.

 

[Rotax2020]

I have ordered the physical 25th Anniversary Edition. It’s out of stock pretty much everywhere, so I figured I’ll just keep it without removing the factory seal. Basically an investment that probably won’t lose value.

I doubt.

its like keeping an sealed iPhone. Useless because its produced millions of times.

 

[Nielsen]

I doubt.

its like keeping an sealed iPhone. Useless because its produced millions of times.

You cannot compare a limited edition of a game to a non-limited disposable gadget. In two months you could put the 25th edition on eBay and make a profit on someone who didn’t grab it while it was available in stores. I probably won’t though, because I will appreciate having the item in my own GT collection.

 

[klondike]

Hello.

Sorry I did not read the entire thread.

If I buy the digital PS4 version ( I dont have a PS5 yet )

Will I be able to upgrade for free to the PS5 version, once I get my hands on a PS5 ?

 

[SFredriksson]

Hello.

Sorry I did not read the entire thread.

If I buy the digital PS4 version ( I dont have a PS% yet )

Will I be able to upgrade for free to the PS5 version, once I get my hands on a PS5 ?

Yes, for 10 money.

 

[klondike]

Alright thanks for the clarification :-)

 

[BloodRaven]

Ordered the PS5, 25th Anniversary Edition this morning. I also registered for an opportunity to purchase a PS5 on playstation.com. Hopefully, I get the email by this weekend when my game gets delivered.

 

[gigio79]

PS4 for me untill the PS5 will be in shops or online at the right prices. I will never spend more then 500 Euros. NEVER.

 

[NICKname]

I doubt.

its like keeping an sealed iPhone. Useless because its produced millions of times.

Except that a sealed version of GT1-GT4 is already worth more than it was worth at launch, so definitely not useless especially considering we're talking a limited edition here.

 

[thelvynau]

Unfortunately I have no choice PS4 version it is. Ps5 is pretty hard to get here

 

[Lain]

Welp, I was gonna wait for a potential PC port... but with all these glowing reviews, I immediately caved and ordered a PS4 copy. I think I can live with slow load times and no RT or 4K. My biggest reservation is that if they do eventually come out with a PC port, there better be a way to transfer progress from consoles... (there won't be, lol)