PS4K - Revealed Alongside PS4 Slim as PS4 Pro - General DiscussionPS4

[Jawehawk]

I couldn't care less about 4K Blu-Ray movie discs but everyone seems to think that that's what the deal-breaker is, if you really want to watch a 4K movie on your PS4 Pro then you could probably just buy it from the PS Store if streaming is a problem.

The quality on streaming suck compared to an actual Blu-Ray or UHD movie, and downloading full sized UHD movies isn't really ideal considering their size.

Yeah, same here - maybe that's why I don't understand all the wailing. If people are serious about Blu-Rays then surely they would have a proper and dedicated player already and not be relying on a console with a less than ideal remote in the form of a DS4? I know that I would.

What does a remote give you that the controller doesn't already do? All I need for it to do is to navigate menus and pause/resume movies. Volume I handle via my receiver and its remote. Dedicated players provide little if any advantages over consoles.

 

[Robin]

Nevermind the whole DRM thing. If you want your movies locked to Sony platforms, that's your choice... but it's definitely not what I'll be choosing.

Not to mention physical media is much much cheaper than digital media. What you buy on the Playstation store can nearly always been had cheaper from a supermarket etc and you not locked into silly DRM or license restrictions... you can even sell it on if you want! It might be old fashioned but I like physically having what I buy.

 

[MeanElf]

...What does a remote give you that the controller doesn't already do? All I need for it to do is to navigate menus and pause/resume movies. Volume I handle via my receiver and its remote. Dedicated players provide little if any advantages over consoles.

Most remotes have a similar layout to each other and are far more responsive - ie: you don't need to call up the menu for the most used functions. I find it awkward to learn a whole new layout structure for the playing of a film. I know I have the same situation with streaming, but I find using the controller to be less than ideal. It's a gaming device that was designed for gaming - function fits form is all I meant by that.

Having a BR player just strikes me as being more sensible too, if you are keen on BRs.

 

[Samus]

Most remotes have a similar layout to each other and are far more responsive - ie: you don't need to call up the menu for the most used functions. I find it awkward to learn a whole new layout structure for the playing of a film. I know I have the same situation with streaming, but I find using the controller to be less than ideal. It's a gaming device that was designed for gaming - function fits form is all I meant by that.

Having a BR player just strikes me as being more sensible too, if you are keen on BRs.

How exactly is it more sensible to buy two devices instead of one? These machines have not just been "gaming machines" for a long time. Heck, this PS4 is being promoted as a 4K video player with all the Netflix/YouTube apps so why wouldn't it also support disc based 4K formats, especially one that Sony themselves had a large part in creating?

 

[FT-1]

PS4 Pro Share button takes 4K screenshots and records gameplay at 1080p (up to 60fps on YouTube/Dailymotion streaming, 30fps for recorded gameplay)

 

[Saidur_Ali]

It's interesting seeing so much importance being placed on being able to play UHD discs. They've priced it same as the current PS4 1TB and it offers so much more than that. Better WiFi, capturing, USB ports, HDMI, better controller and a lot more GPU power. I can understand the uproar better if it was priced significantly more than current consoles but it's the same. It's directly competing on price with original PS4 1TB and Xbox One S 2TB while offering significantly better gaming performance. I think gamers will prefer playing Call of Duty at 4K (Or 1080p enhanced) rather than 900p but with ability to play UHD Blu-ray.

 

[Samus]

They've priced it same as the current PS4 1TB

Where are you shopping? The Pro is £349, the current (soon to be discontinued) 1TB PS4 can be had for £250

http://www.simplygames.com/p/sony-playstation-4-console-with-1tb-hard-drive-ps4

The Xbox One S 1TB is £300, with the UHD drive. You can get a 500GB version for as little as £250, £10 cheaper even than the new 500GB PS4 without the extra power.

No, the S doesn't have enhanced gameplay but if you're looking for a device to play games of any kind and also play UHD movies it is going to be the only choice under £300.

Or if you already have a standard PS4 and want a UHD player it's an easy choice, the One S. You get a UHD player and also another gaming system for free, essentially.

 

[ImaRobot]

It's interesting seeing so much importance being placed on being able to play UHD discs. They've priced it same as the current PS4 1TB and it offers so much more than that. Better WiFi, capturing, USB ports, HDMI, better controller and a lot more GPU power. I can understand the uproar better if it was priced significantly more than current consoles but it's the same. It's directly competing on price with original PS4 1TB and Xbox One S 2TB while offering significantly better gaming performance. I think gamers will prefer playing Call of Duty at 4K (Or 1080p enhanced) rather than 900p but with ability to play UHD Blu-ray.

I don't prefer playing COD in most cases, but even if I did, the differences between the game on the two consoles have been minor at best, so it looking better on a PS4 is in no way a selling point to me. It's not like they'll put in all that extra effort on a cross-console game, they'll likely try to make it as relative as possible, like they usually do.

I buy a lot of Blurays, and I watch a lot of movies on my spare time during the week, so it definitely is a good point to me, and I'm sure plenty of other people (obvious fact is obvious, going off this thread as well.)

If I had to choose, and going off your example of COD, I would definitely 100 times over pick a UHD player over a slight change in graphics on a video game. It looking that little bit prettier does little, in most cases.

 

[Nielsen]

Sony is probably afraid to make the more affordable PS4 Slim look incapable in comparison. This would then go on to become a concern for developers who would not only have to consider increased development costs optimizing for two interrelated systems, but also worry how to still convince the several millions of players on entry level. We have to remember that the Pro will define the new standard for all PS4 players, so the ability to inspire awe across systems is pivotal in maintaining a thriving industry. In other words, the Pro probably never stood the chance to be the PS5 everyone wants it to be.

It is not a system I'll rush out and buy to upgrade the current model, but I'd probably choose it if replacement should become necessary. Prices will eventually drop to make the jump easier, and more power is ultimately a good thing regardless of how it has been positioned in the market.

 

[Peasantslayer]

I'll wait until around Black Friday time to see if one can be had for £300 or less.

 

[Samus]

What I just posted above is surely the most alarming.

New PS4 Slim 500GB - $299 / £259, no UHD, no games
Xbox One S 500GB - $299 / £249, with UHD drive & a game

So either MS are selling the One S at a loss or there is something more to the lack of UHD drive across the PS4 range. Perhaps they could afford to stick one in the regular model but not the Pro and decided that would be ridiculous.

 

[Nielsen]

What I just posted above is surely the most alarming.

New PS4 Slim 500GB - $299 / £259, no UHD, no games
Xbox One S 500GB - $299 / £249, with UHD drive & a game

So either MS are selling the One S at a loss or there is something more to the lack of UHD drive across the PS4 range. Perhaps they could afford to stick one in the regular model but not the Pro and decided that would be ridiculous.

The Xbox One doesn't manage 1080p at times when the PS4 does. Isn't that worth keeping in mind?

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Where are you shopping? The Pro is £349, the current (soon to be discontinued) 1TB PS4 can be had for £250

http://www.simplygames.com/p/sony-playstation-4-console-with-1tb-hard-drive-ps4

The Xbox One S 1TB is £300, with the UHD drive. You can get a 500GB version for as little as £250, £10 cheaper even than the new 500GB PS4 without the extra power.

No, the S doesn't have enhanced gameplay but if you're looking for a device to play games of any kind and also play UHD movies it is going to be the only choice under £300.

Or if you already have a standard PS4 and want a UHD player it's an easy choice, the One S. You get a UHD player and also another gaming system for free, essentially.

The Pro will also be discounted no doubt. I'm on about current RRP price and likes of Game aren't selling much below that. The Slim 1TB PS4 also is about £309.99. Given only £40 difference for what is more than double GPU power, bit of a no brainer in terms of wanting to get best gaming performance.

Without the extra power? The Slim PS4 is more powerful than the Xbox One S.

You can play UHD movies on the PS4 Slim too, just not disc ones. It's also smaller. All PS4s will support HDR too.

I'm not sure many gamers will want to buy a worse performing console 3 years later but maybe that's just me if it comes down to one or the other. I will get one as I have a lot of games for it and bonus of UHD is good. The market for Blu-rays is shrinking, Sony are aware of decline of physical media and maybe that's why they made the choice to maximise profit margins and stick to downloads and streaming. Sony are targeting 20 million sales for this financial year, 4K Blu-rays have not had great sales. Less than 300,000 it seems so doubt that will have a big influence in sales.

I don't prefer playing COD in most cases, but even if I did, the differences between the game on the two consoles have been minor at best, so it looking better on a PS4 is in no way a selling point to me. It's not like they'll put in all that extra effort on a cross-console game, they'll likely try to make it as relative as possible, like they usually do.

I buy a lot of Blurays, and I watch a lot of movies on my spare time during the week, so it definitely is a good point to me, and I'm sure plenty of other people (obvious fact is obvious, going off this thread as well.)

If I had to choose, and going off your example of COD, I would definitely 100 times over pick a UHD player over a slight change in graphics on a video game. It looking that little bit prettier does little, in most cases.

It's going to be the case for vast majority of games coming, a much superior gaming experience on the Pro. It's going to bring decent PC gaming performance at an affordable console price. I think one will need something like a GTX 1070 to get something noticeably better on PC and that costs more than the PS4 Pro at the moment just for the GPU alone. I think they're doing a good job in competing against PC gaming with this console.

I would choose personally superior gaming performance over a UHD disc player when choosing which gaming system to buy.

What I just posted above is surely the most alarming.

New PS4 Slim 500GB - $299 / £259, no UHD, no games
Xbox One S 500GB - $299 / £249, with UHD drive & a game

So either MS are selling the One S at a loss or there is something more to the lack of UHD drive across the PS4 range. Perhaps they could afford to stick one in the regular model but not the Pro and decided that would be ridiculous.

Microsoft have been trying to undercut Sony for most of this generation, nothing new. You can get 1TB Xbox with a game for £189.99. Still Sony is dominating.

 

[ImaRobot]

It's going to be the case for vast majority of games coming, a much superior gaming experience on the Pro. It's going to bring decent PC gaming performance at an affordable console price. I think one will need something like a GTX 1070 to get something noticeably better on PC and that costs more than the PS4 Pro at the moment just for the GPU alone. I think they're doing a good job in competing against PC gaming with this console.

I would choose personally superior gaming performance over a UHD disc player when choosing which gaming system to buy.

I thought we where talking about the Slim in comparison to the S? In relation to what you where talking about, with COD, like I said, the differences are minimal at best. Has there been a vast difference between the two console games that you are aware of? In terms of the slim vs the S, I would likely choose a the one with the UHD player, as its the best bang for what you're actually paying, as both systems seem to be doing pretty darn well with the power that's already available to them. Just something being more powerful isn't enough in itself to be a selling point at this console generation, really, with all the amazing games coming out on both sides of the pond.

If you're talking about the Pro, While that may be true, if superior performance is what you're after, wouldn't the Scoprio fit your bill much better?

 

[sems4arsenal]

Impressive how the Pro isn't much more expensive the the XONE S and PS4 Slim, tin foil hat on, they priced the slim high for consumers to think hey why not might as well go with the Pro.

Hopefully these things push the prices of 4K TVs wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy down. They're used car price now.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

I thought we where talking about the Slim in comparison to the S? In relation to what you where talking about, with COD, like I said, the differences are minimal at best. Has there been a vast difference between the two console games that you are aware of? In terms of the slim vs the S, I would likely choose a the one with the UHD player, as its the best bang for what you're actually paying, as both systems seem to be doing pretty darn well with whats available to them. Just something being more powerful isn't enough in itself to be a selling point at this console generation, really, with all the amazing games coming out on both sides of the pond.

If you're talking about the Pro, While that may be true, if superior performance is what you're after, wouldn't the Scoprio fit your bill much better?

The PS4 Slim won't be getting 4K or 1080p enhanced going by what was announced so not sure why you think I was talking about the Slim in comparison. Sony have done rather well by offering better performance this generation at a competitive price and releasing earlier.

Scorpio will come out a year later so gives Sony even more of a chance to increase their lead. Scorpio release might be close to when the likes of PS5 might be getting discussed about and getting much closer to release and there might be an even cheaper and smaller PS4 Pro to compete with. Also it might offer less for 1080p gamers, too little too late in my opinion. It's a bit pointless to me, I rather get the S now and play some of the Xbox One games better on my PC with also PC, PS3 and PS4 wheel support.

Impressive how the Pro isn't much more expensive the the XONE S and PS4 Slim, tin foil hat on, they priced the slim high for consumers to think hey why not might as well go with the Pro.

Hopefully these things push the prices of 4K TVs wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy down. They're used car price now.

They have come down a lot, 43" Sony 4K HDR TV for $648 is reasonable IMO. I will get one for bedroom if input lag is as low as my current one or very close to it and also better processor for Android which hopefully is early as next year.

 

[ImaRobot]

The PS4 Slim won't be getting 4K or 1080p enhanced going by what was announced so not sure why you think I was talking about the Slim in comparison.

That was a mistake on my part.

Sony have done rather well by offering better performance this generation at a competitive price and releasing earlier.

They definitely have, but for some, like myself, it hasn't really piqued my interest with what's available, yet. Waiting to see how GTS turns out actually, and that's likely when I might get involved with it.

Scorpio will come out a year later so gives Sony even more of a chance to increase their lead. Scorpio release might be close to when the likes of PS5 might be getting discussed about and getting much closer to release and there might be an even cheaper and smaller PS4 Pro to compete with. Also it might offer less for 1080p gamers, too little too late in my opinion. It's a bit pointless to me, I rather get the S now and play some of the Xbox One games better on my PC with also PC, PS3 and PS4 wheel support.

So you expect such a significant console revision not even a year after its initial release? That seems a bit too optimistic, and a royal kick in the ass to anyone who opts in early, if there is going to be such a massive change. However, what it actually seems like is that you're not worried about the most superior performance, but rather you would rather just jump on whatever the next PS is going to be, because if that was the case you would opt in for Scorpio just as easily, if you're actually after superior performance like you said you where.

You waited how many years for them to just "turn on 4k gaming/streaming" but it's to little to late for the Scorpio, because it's releasing 1 year~ after the Pro, with significantly more power?

When the time comes for me, I'd likely opt for the Pro, but I'm just a bit bummed that it will not be supporting a UHD player. I'd hate to have to switch back and forth between consoles, as lazy as that seems

 

[Saidur_Ali]

That was a mistake on my part.


They definitely have, but for some, like myself, it hasn't really piqued my interest with what's available, yet. Waiting to see how GTS turns out actually, and that's likely when I'll might get involved with it.


So you expect such a significant console revision not even a year after its initial release? That seems a bit too optimistic, and a royal kick in the ass to anyone who opts in early, if there is going to be such a massive change. However, what it actually seems like is that you're not worried about the most superior performance, but rather you would rather just jump on whatever the next PS is going to be, because if that was the case you would opt in for Scorpio just as easily, if you're actually after superior performance like you said you where.

GT SPORT is main game I'm waiting for too. Most of others I can play on PC.

I just expect a lower price smaller PS4 Pro hopefully with UHD player, it depends on others though if possible to produce next year.

Can get better performance on PC already on Xbox games getting released for Windows 10. I think next-generation will be backward compatible so if next-generation console/s release in 2018, it will make Scorpio a short-lived product without much benefit for 1080p gamers. It will be like the last hurrah for that generation. CPU improvement with Zen+ and improvements in memory bandwidth with HBM2 and reasonable jump in GPU performance should help deliver a solid improvement in gameplay, maybe early as 2018 if that is route taken by the likes of Sony.

 

[ImaRobot]

I just expect a lower price smaller PS4 Pro hopefully with UHD player, it depends on others though if possible to produce next year.

Still, if they throw that in, in just under a year that would be just crappy for those who opted in early. To make such a revision doesn't seem likely.

Can get better performance on PC already on Xbox games getting released for Windows 10. I think next-generation will be backward compatible so if next-generation console/s release in 2018, it will make Scorpio a short-lived product without much benefit for 1080p gamers. It will be like the last hurrah for that generation. CPU improvement with Zen+ and improvements in memory bandwidth with HBM2 and reasonable jump in GPU performance should help deliver a solid improvement in gameplay, maybe early as 2018 if that is route taken by the likes of Sony.

True, I forget that new Xbox exclusives will be running on PC now. As for backwards compatibility, it's already a thing this generation. If that's your point then, it seems you're more sold on exclusives rather than a superior gaming platform, as you've already had the superior one, in terms of flexibility and outright performance for some time now, the PC. Still, with both these companies introducing a mid console jump with just under a year apart, it's likely that they'd both will sit on them for a few years before making another console change.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Still, if they throw that in, in just under a year that would be just crappy for those who opted in early. To make such a revision doesn't seem likely.


True, I forget that new Xbox exclusives will be running on PC now. As for backwards compatibility, it's already a thing this generation. If that's your point then, it seems you're more sold on exclusives rather than a superior gaming platform, as you've already had the superior one, in terms of flexibility and outright performance for some time now, the PC. Still, with both these companies introducing a mid console jump with just under a year apart, it's likely that they'd both will sit on them for a few years before making another console change.

They're averaged at least a revision a year so far, 2016 offering biggest changes. A whole year is a long time, I don't think many for example complain the next years phones are going to be better, they will upgrade if neccessary. In terms of consoles, there is less of a need if it offers identical performance in games.

I'm sold on better gaming performance and more efficient hardware and games I'm interested in for the best price, that's why I change to the Slim models usually and upgrade PC to most efficient hardware most of the time. This time the PS4 Pro is better than going to Slim as it offers better gaming performance with more efficient hardware without a big increase in price. Also getting an Xbox One S gives a slight improvement in performance too, glad I sold my Xbox One not so long ago for a decent price. Can get the Slim version for just as much now, hopefully there will be a decent deal on the 2TB soon.

 

[ImaRobot]

They're averaged at least a revision a year so far, 2016 offering biggest changes. A whole year is a long time, I don't think many for example complain the next years phones are going to be better, they will upgrade if neccessary. In terms of consoles, there is less of a need if it offers identical performance in games.

They have? I'm unaware. Is it as drastic as adding completely new components that where not there at all like the case of the UHD you're making?

Phones are a totally different market, and I'm sure many would prefer that consoles not take that route, as that would be ridiculous. Kind of a bad example to compare it to. I think this market is more akin to TV's. You can rely on one for quite a bit of time with out the need to upgrade.

I'm sold on better gaming performance and more efficient hardware and games I'm interested in for the best price, that's why I change to the Slim models usually and upgrade PC to most efficient hardware most of the time.

Whats the benefits of the slim over the older version right now? It seems none, as they're removing the UHD, no? Seems like kind of a waste right now if you already own the older.

This time the PS4 Pro is better than going to Slim as it offers better gaming performance with more efficient hardware without a big increase in price. Also getting an Xbox One S gives a slight improvement in performance too, glad I sold my Xbox One not so long ago for a decent price. Can get the Slim version for just as much now, hopefully there will be a decent deal on the 2TB soon.

The Pro seems like the most logical step if anyone was going to jump in, or upgrade. It makes the Slim rather pointless, in my opinion.

 

[Techy]

Digital Foundry's take on the PS4 Pro after a hands-on.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-three-hours-with-playstation-4-pro

Also would like to add their Hands-On video


I think their point about being able to see it in-person is the biggest issue. Everyone watching at home obviously won't be able to see the difference on a stream or Youtube. Gaming outlets would have to grab an HDR-capable 4K TV and put it out on display alongside a PS4 Pro.

List of forward compatible games released, which indicates these titles will support HDR/4K resolution



Spoiler alert: GT Sport is not on the list

Interesting that Witcher 3 is not on this list. The game looks fantastic at 1440p on PC. It's still up to the developer (in this case CDPR) whether they want to implement HDR and then port it to PS4 Pro. HDR would be amazing in Witcher 3, nevertheless. But I imagine they're getting quite exhausted with the Witcher at the moment.

 

[sems4arsenal]

The PS4 Slim won't be getting 4K or 1080p enhanced going by what was announced so not sure why you think I was talking about the Slim in comparison. Sony have done rather well by offering better performance this generation at a competitive price and releasing earlier.

Scorpio will come out a year later so gives Sony even more of a chance to increase their lead. Scorpio release might be close to when the likes of PS5 might be getting discussed about and getting much closer to release and there might be an even cheaper and smaller PS4 Pro to compete with. Also it might offer less for 1080p gamers, too little too late in my opinion. It's a bit pointless to me, I rather get the S now and play some of the Xbox One games better on my PC with also PC, PS3 and PS4 wheel support.

They have come down a lot, 43" Sony 4K HDR TV for $648 is reasonable IMO. I will get one for bedroom if input lag is as low as my current one or very close to it and also better processor for Android which hopefully is early as next year.

Aren't these HDR 4k TVs riddled with high input lag? , the price is very reasonable though, people were throwing 4000 dollars at Gaf yesterday for a decent one.

 

[mister dog]

 

[Wolfe]

So the Pro isn't much of a jump from the PS4? That's good if it means future PS4 titles won't suffer on a base PS4 for the sake of extra-shiny visuals on the Pro. That's still a question mark with the Scorpio, isn't it?

 

[Lain]

So the Pro isn't much of a jump from the PS4? That's good if it means future PS4 titles won't suffer on a base PS4 for the sake of extra-shiny visuals on the Pro. That's still a question mark with the Scorpio, isn't it?

I don't think so.

The PS4 Pro struggles to render a full 4K, instead resorting to slightly lower resolutions and/or special rendering techniques to achieve 4K output. The Scorpio, conversely, could get closer to rendering games at 4K proper.

So basically at the top end of things, the Scorpio will be modestly superior to the PS4 Pro... just like how on the low end of things, the PS4 is modestly superior to the Xbox One and more consistently achieves a full 1080p whereas the One often resorts to 900p.

So TL;DR: The Scorpio is still trying to push games at 4K... which means 4x the pixels, with less than 4x the power of the Xbox One. Virtually all games should be able to be pared back to 1080p or lower to run on the Xbox One.

 

[Techy]

I don't think so.

The PS4 Pro struggles to render a full 4K, instead resorting to slightly lower resolutions and/or special rendering techniques to achieve 4K output. The Scorpio, conversely, could get closer to rendering games at 4K proper.

So basically at the top end of things, the Scorpio will be modestly superior to the PS4 Pro... just like how on the low end of things, the PS4 is modestly superior to the Xbox One and more consistently achieves a full 1080p whereas the One often resorts to 900p.

So TL;DR: The Scorpio is still trying to push games at 4K... which means 4x the pixels, with less than 4x the power of the Xbox One. Virtually all games should be able to be pared back to 1080p or lower to run on the Xbox One.

I feel the Scorpio will use similar rendering techniques the PS4 Pro uses. So in reality most games won't actually render at true 4K resolution.

Looking at PC, 4K at 30fps can be achieved with something as low as a 1060 (or 970, though a VRAM bottleneck may occur) or 480, but you must dial back visual settings, usually pretty heavily. Seeing that the PS4 Pro uses a modified Polaris architecture, it's fair to say that it might be between the 470 and 480, though it seems that the CPU is at the lower end. We'll have to wait until the hardware is analyzed at further detail.

 

[Wolfe]

I didn't realize 4K was the #1 push with the Scorpio, if that's the case. If resolution is really what these new pseudo-half-next-gen systems are all about, it sure has been a lot of fuss over nothing, IMHO. But all I was ever waiting for was lower prices for a base PS4, with the hope that the PS4 Pro wouldn't tempt devs to overburden the base PS4.

 

[RacingOtaku86]

Well now... I don't have a 4K TV, I'm not particularly interested in this UHD Blu-Ray stuff, I'm entertaining the idea of getting a PS4, so I ask you kind people in your infinite wisdom, should I even bother getting this and jump ship to Microsoft?

 

[Techy]

Well now... I don't have a 4K TV, I'm not particularly interested in this UHD Blu-Ray stuff, I'm entertaining the idea of getting a PS4, so I ask you kind people in your infinite wisdom, should I even bother getting this and jump ship to Microsoft?

Maybe wait until holiday season. The regular PS4s will most likely go on sale once PS4 Slims start entering the market. Or just get a PS4 Slim.

The Xbone S does look pretty promising. I imagine it'll go on sale during the holiday season. Only thing you may miss out on is Playstation-exclusive titles.