PS4K - Revealed Alongside PS4 Slim as PS4 Pro - General DiscussionPS4 

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Well, congratulations Sony. Microsoft are making a comfortably better console than you.

It's been amazing how Microsoft have turned around the One since its 2013 announcement, I think that Sony have not expected this and have just rested on their laurels. Big mistake.
 
Jawehawk
Allow me to set up an example. We have a 50 inch 1080 TV next to a 4K TV that is the same size, both showing the same picture, but each at their native resolution, and we're ignoring all other things related to picture quality. We're standing 3 meters away from the TV's, and for the sake of the argument, we are facing both TV's head on. At this distance, it is physically impossible for most, if not everyone, to see individual pixels. As such, if we ignore any other picture related features, we essentially see the same picture. The picture on the 4K TV is technically better, but our eyes can't perceive it.

That's all resolution is. It's a greater collection of pixels. 4K TV's do have features that result in significantly greater picture quality, but if you intend to sit at a distance where it was impossible for you to tell apart the individual pixels on an equal sized 1080 TV, then the added resolution on a 4K TV won't matter. The other features can still make it worthwhile though.

If you, or anyone else, know something about resolution that I don't, then feel very free to educate me.
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I have a 55" 4K OLED TV that I am sitting about 8 feet from. I couldn't see individual pixels from my HD tv of a similar size. I am telling you that the UHD feed is appreciable better than the HD feed. It's also appreciably better when I compare the same content in both UHD and HD on Amazon video.

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The other thing about PS4 Pro streaming only 4k content is that the vast majoprity of 4k capable tv's will already be able to stream 4k content on their own Netflix, Amazon, You Tube, etc. apps.
 
GranTurismo guy
Well, congratulations Sony. Microsoft are making a comfortably better console than you.

It's been amazing how Microsoft have turned around the One since its 2013 announcement, I think that Sony have not expected this and have just rested on their laurels. Big mistake.
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I'm thinking the XBone S being as packed as it is must have caught them off guard too late for Sony to change any of the specs.
 
Say what you like about Apple products (On the whole I think they're overpriced junk) but at least they know how to make a product that looks quality. Ever since PS3 Slim the quality of PS products has been poor, cheap and nasty plastic.
 
Typical Sony... letting their dominance get to their heads and start making awful, complacent business decisions because of it.

They did it with the PS3 launch hot off the success of the PS2, they're doing it here with the PS4 Pro following the success of the PS4... Ugh. Please come to your senses, Sony. You're better that way.

On the other hand, Sony's particularly great when they've fallen behind and are playing catch up. Provided that they don't really have a choice, like was the case with the PS3. If it's more like the Vita, they're all too eager to cut their losses rather than accept the risk that would come from doubling down on it.

So yeah, all in all... congrats Microsoft. And here's to a bright future for Sony once they eventually realize they've slipped and start correcting themselves. :cheers: 👍
 
Samus
Vita isn't too bad, original PS4 still looks cheap IMO.
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I can give you the slim and Pro but this looks fantastic for me



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Ugly: Original PS1, PS4 Slim, PS4 Pro

Meh: PS3 Slim, PS3 Superslim, PSone, PSP, PS Vita 1000-series

Good: PS2, PS2 Slim, PSP Go, PS Vita 2000-series, PS3, PS4, PSX

My opinion on the matter, anyway. :P
 
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Lain
I don't entirely think this argument is valid.

Aliasing is what happens when you can make out the pixelation of an edge. If you can discern aliasing, you could benefit from a higher resolution display even if you can't distinguish individual pixels. Anti-aliasing techniques help hide aliasing, but also softens the image so it's inferior to increasing the actual resolution.
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You really think anyone can discern aliasing when standing 3 meters away from a good 50 inch 1080 TV? I'd argue that it is the same principle at work.
 
What I find particularly weird is that they gave the PS4 that sort of chintzy rounded edges look, then just made the PS4 Pro derive much more from the original design anyway.
 
When this was first rumoured it didn't seem to make much sense, it still doesn't. They're marketing it at the hardcore, 'Pro' gamer but obviously they have already bought a PS4 by now. So youre asking them to buy another $400 console and all you're offering them is upscaled 4k and a few prettier textures/lighting here and there. But on the whole, the same console.

Sure, there are people who will deem that enough and there are people that would buy it if the only difference was the name, but what of the general public? I can't see the appeal over the $100 cheaper model for new customers or what current customers already have.
 
Really interesting watching the interviews with devs after the event. It would appear to me that the biggest benefit is going to be for those with HD TV's. They are all talking about giving gamers three display modes to choose from. 4K & HDR for those with capable TV's. And then two modes for gamers with HD TV's, either an unlocked framerate mode or a mode with the same frame rate as the 4K mode but they throw all the graphical niceties they have got at the game.

So I stand by my comment that exactly the same content in 4K is better than HD but if they are going to give improved content in HD that would be where the benefit of the extra horsepower would be most effective.
 
Robin.
Look how classy this thing was...

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Looked like it could have come straight out of a Bang & Olufsen catalog. Pity in regaining console dominance they seem to have fired all their designers.
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The original PS3 was slated after it was unveiled for looking like a George Foreman grill :lol:
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With that said, it has aged well. I think that is mainly due to the polished finish which is lacking on modern consoles.
 
It's such a shame that the TV marketing ****s have led to the focus of this new console being 4K gaming rather than better looking games with better frame rates at a perfectly acceptable resolution. I won't even consider it unless pretty much every new game has a 1080p 60fps option.
 
...I'm deeply unimpressed with the "new" console; seeing the pics and reading the reports on the Interwebz makes me think it's not really worth it.

There's the fear of devs making games for the Neo Pro then downgrading it to work on the normal PS4s but then, I have a sneaking suspicion that it won't sell as many as Sony would've liked.

I may well be proven wrong though.
 
Techy
After a quick Google, it seems HDR is paired with UHD, OLED, or Smart TV capabilities, drastically raising the price of said TV. Though I imagine once Scorpio and Pro release, budget-friendly HDR TVs will come in droves. It's already happening with 4K TVs.
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Budget friendly, yes - but you need a decent TV not a rubbish one for it to work properly and those are pretty much all Sony TVs so I don't really see the logic of MS making a difference. Over here they can hardly sell the consoles.

Robin.
You have to be kidding, no UHD drive???

The PS4 Slim at $299 without a UHD Blu Ray drive was stupid enough but the PS4 Pro doesn't have one?! What are you smoking Sony!
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Not seeing much Blu-Ray sales in the UK anyway where I work and as Sony had a massive stake in its development, they should know how viable it in fact is...
 
MeanElf
Budget friendly, yes - but you need a decent TV not a rubbish one for it to work properly and those are pretty much all Sony TVs so I don't really see the logic of MS making a difference. Over here they can hardly sell the consoles.
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I don't think Sony is the only manufacturer that makes decent HDR-capable (4K) TVs. And we probably won't see budget-friendly HDR TVs immediately. Though as far as I know, there isn't an actual standard for genuine HDR yet.
 
A large part of the pull with Sony's consoles has been that they include playback of a new form of media disk, at a time when a standalone player for said media is quite expensive. So the PS2 having a DVD player when DVD players were expensive was a good deal, PS3 and Blu Ray etc.

UHD is the new format on the block, players are £300+ and so a One S at £250 is a good deal. Sony being so invested in technology and also the movie business means that it really doesn't make sense for neither of their machines to support it. There is an appetite for UHD Blu Ray. According to figures 228,000 discs have been shifted since their introduction, more than the 57,000 at Blu Ray's launch in 2006. So things look promising.

Sony are basically telling those 4K content junkies (a segment that will only grow and grow) to go and buy a UHD player on top of paying for your PS4 Pro.... not a great way to win people over when they could buy the rival console and play 90% of the same games for a cheaper outlay.
 
Techy
I don't think Sony is the only manufacturer that makes decent HDR-capable (4K) TVs. And we probably won't see budget-friendly HDR TVs immediately. Though as far as I know, there isn't an actual standard for genuine HDR yet.
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My next tv is gonna be a Hisense. Very impressed by them and their price points. They'll be up there with the big boys in a couple years as a household name.

Robin.
A large part of the pull with Sony's consoles has been that they include playback of a new form of media disk, at a time when a standalone player for said media is quite expensive. So the PS2 having a DVD player when DVD players were expensive was a good deal, PS3 and Blu Ray etc.

UHD is the new format on the block, players are £300+ and so a One S at £250 is a good deal. Sony being so invested in technology and also the movie business means that it really doesn't make sense for neither of their machines to support it. There is an appetite for UHD Blu Ray. According to figures 228,000 discs have been shifted since their introduction, more than the 57,000 at Blu Ray's launch in 2006. So things look promising.

Sony are basically telling those 4K content junkies (a segment that will only grow and grow) to go and buy a UHD player on top of paying for your PS4 Pro.... not a great way to win people over when they could buy the rival console and play 90% of the same games for a cheaper outlay.
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I think the circumstances are slightly different now, more and more people stream. I don't know a single person who buys blurays anymore, when the PS2 and PS3 came out most people I knew started collections.
 
lancia delta hf
I think the circumstances are slightly different now, more and more people stream. I don't know a single person who buys blurays anymore, when the PS2 and PS3 came out most people I knew started collections.
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PS4 Pro is suppose to be for enthusiasts who are more likely to buy UHD blurays.

Besides theres a big difference in streaming a 480p movie/show and streaming a 2160p HDR movie/show. Last I checked, streaming a 90 minute 4K movie would cost you well over 10GBs of data usage. And with so many ISPs capping bandwidth, its not an option.

No 4K bluray sounds to me like another company jumping the gun when it comes to technology upgrades. Like Apple getting rid of the headphone jack in the iphone, or Microsoft trying the always online thing a couple of years ago.
 

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